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Apple Explains Why Stage Manager is Limited to M1 iPads in New Statement

minik said:
M1 iPad users can enjoy this upcoming features in a few months, pre-M1 iPad Pro users may end up getting the M1 or this year (if there is one) iPad Pro. Next year, all new design iPad Pro.
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This may add some perspective for 2020 owners. The 2020 iPad Pro (which was essentially the 2018 model with some new lipstick) was released in March of that year. If you wait to upgrade to the M2 IPP, with its rumored redesign coming out in September, that would make 30 months between devices (assuming you bought the 2020 soon after release). That’s not so terrible in the fast-moving, ever-changing world of iPad.

What to know what IS terrible? Try this: I was one of those who bought the snail-slow iPad 3 on day one, only to be highly annoyed when Tim Cook announced the iPad 4 with greatly improved speed (plus lightning port upgrade) only 6 months later! Now THAT qualifies as a “sucker punch” by Apple.
 
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There isn't an answer Apple can give that will satisfy folks.

Just accept that they did it for the money (they did) and move on.

I knew the M1 iPad was going to be the line in the sand the moment it came out, which is why I chose that time to jump into the iPad ecosystem and ditch my Macs.

The RAM, that was the biggest clue. And the fact that it was a desktop chip. It really was the FIRST iPad with legs; the one to keep for many years.
 
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deeside81 said:
Sorry if i'm being rather dumb here, but will having a mac m1 and now ipad pro 2021 M1 now work together like an additional external display? Like i can now drag windows to each display, certain apps open on one display and keep outlook on another, for example. Would i be able to have different excel sheets on different displays?

Cheers
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Yes and no. You can use Sidecar on any Mac that supports Catalina or later and any iPad that supports iPadOS 13 or later to extend the Mac screen onto the iPad to use as a second display. This is not an M1-specific feature, you can run it on an Intel Mac or an A-series powered iPad.

Any Mac or iPad that supports Monterrey/iPadOS 15 you can also use universal control where you can use a single mouse/keyboard/trackpad to control both the Mac or the iPad. You can't drag windows back and forth but you can drag files and some other types of drag and droppable data. Also not an M1-specific feature.
 
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HiVolt said:
They could have probably made the feature work on older iPad Pro's without the external display support, but you could still have it on the device.

The 2018/2020 were pretty powerful chips.
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This is exactly what I want. I personally don't care about the external support, go ahead and limit that if need be, but having the multitasking part of it on regular iPads is absolutely doable.

This reminds me of when other features that 'couldn't be done' only to pop up later on.
 
If anyone believes that statement I ave some Blinker fluid to sell you. In other words Apple wants to sell you M1 iPads, plain and simple.
 
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purfledspruce said:
I dunno. I just figured a computer made in 2018 or 2020 would be able to … move windows around on a couple of screens? I mean, I had a double monitor setup in 2000 at work, and was moving windows around on a single screen in 1995…and I think I was late to the game. I don’t think my ][C had a visual operating system yet, but it was pretty soon after that, wasn’t it?

So, no, I don’t have an idea of what goes on at Apple. But I simply don’t believe that an iPad built in 2018 is incapable of dual screens and windowed apps, which the Microsoft Surface has had since inception in 2012.
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long time ago ages. we try macos macintosh and windows 3.11 for workgroup maybe 1989 to 1992 era . that time ram hmm. 8 mb ram 40 mb hardisk 33 mhz. Now we got 6 to 8 proc 100x tech still struggle on ram usage.

The issue is people here all agree , if not use ram waste ram.While i'm as a developer. It's memory leak, don't be lazy programmer !
 
Surprise, surprise, Apple wants you to buy new hardware to be able to show off the latest Apple fashion statement.

But, then again, you knew that when you bought into the Apple ecosystem. Just shut up and pay up, like the good Apple fan you have been programmed to be!
 
alien3dx said:
Dont mention if were ipad m1 .
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My iPad is a 2018 11” Pro.
LumaFusion, and many other apps, support the use of external monitor for the playback of the edited video (Full screen, No side bars).

Disagreeing with a fact does not make it untrue.
 
I wonder if they have tested internally to put Mac OS on M1 iPad Pros and see if it runs well and not overheat. M1 and 8G it’s the same specs as M1 MB air.
 
nt5672 said:
Surprise, surprise, Apple wants you to buy new hardware to be able to show off the latest Apple fashion statement.

But, then again, you knew that when you bought into the Apple ecosystem. Just shut up and pay up, like the good Apple fan you have been programmed to be!
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Yes, companies want you to buy things from them.

Thanks for the Econ 101 lesson.
 
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Aston441 said:
Find someone with an Amiga 1000 and have them fire it up off the 800KB floppy disk.
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Find someone with an Amiga 1000 that can display more than 16 colors at 1024x768 using Intuition with no hardware add-ons. I mean, Apple COULD reduce the color depth to 4096 colors and only display 16 of those at once and make it work… :)
 
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Alex Cai said:
People once said that the M1 is over kill and they needed a better OS. Now that are angry at why the advanced system doesn’t support older iPads.
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Right?

I was just reading a forum last week where folks were complaining the iPad Pro didn’t have enough distinctive capabilities (beyond the regular iPads) to justify the hardware and price.

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Stage Manager is a fully integrated experience that provides all-new windowing experience that is incredibly fast and responsive and allow users to run 8 apps simultaneously across iPad and an external display with up to 6K resolution. Delivering this experience with the immediacy users expect from iPad's touch-first experience requires large internal memory, incredibly fast storage, and flexible external display I/O, all of which are delivered by iPads with the M1 chip.
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Multitasking and and multi-processor services have existed since the past millennium and ran on some fairly ancient (by today's standards) architecture, so I'll "call" nonsense on those parts of their reply that such cannot be accomplished with their current and recent (read: iOS capable) hardware. IMHO, as I read their comment, it's more a case of "won't" not "can't".

Link to some, er, "ancient" text (for educational purposes)...

Document Revision History
(This table describes the changes to Multiprocessing Services Programming Guide.)

Document Revision History

Explains how to implement preemptive tasks in Carbon applications.
developer.apple.com

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All the window management features introduced in OS X over the past 20 years ran in less than 512 MBs using slow hard disks for i/o. There is even a leaked copy of OS X Leopard showing something similar to Stage Manager for the desktop.

Apple just wants us to spend more on our iPads. You are not gonna get me to upgrade from my 2017 iPad Pro though. I’m waiting until M4.
 
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MakeAppleAwesomeAgain said:
When I switched to the Mac, I started with an iMac 2006 C2D with 1GB of memory. Coming from Windows, I was blown away by its smooth animations (Expose, Front Row, etc.) and multi-tasking capabilities. The last couple of A-series chips are so much better than that old T7200 chip, I’m sure Apple could have found a way to make it work. The Mac Mini A12 ran macOS wonderfully and it didn’t have that weird limit on opened windows.
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I think they put extra RAM in that Mac Mini. I’m thinking RAM is the main limiter here. Also, I wonder if swap is being enabled on older models? That could be another big reason if it’s not. Not that I think Apple couldn’t have found a way if they‘d really wanted to.

Looked it up and swap is limited to the M1. So that’s probably the main reason. They must have experienced big slowdowns when returning to apps stored in virtual memory. Slowdowns that made the iPad feel broken.
 
obamtl said:
The chip may be powerful enough, but the storage and display connection isn’t. They’d have been accused of deliberately slowing down the A12Z iPad if they launched a feature that’s unresponsive.
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I find the storage statement to be specious. The display statement may be true. There is a performance requirement difference between mirroring v. extending. Essentially one is just recasting the primary display's output and the other is painting an entirely new bitmap and all that entails at the system mgmt level.
 
locksmack said:
It’s not (only) about old machines. The latest and greatest iPad Mini 6 isn’t supported. Apple either intentionally gimped this product knowing full well it wouldn’t support short term software updates, or they are full of **** about needing M1 and they are up selling.

Either way, it’s total bull crap for Mini 6 owners. Previous Pro owners too, but at least that is on a 4 year old chip and is no longer for sale. Nothing about the Mini is older than the M1 Pro.
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Well when Apple introduced the feature, they stated several times that it was for the “pros.”
Anyone who expected this feature to work on a mini was very wrong.
Completely different markets, completely different users, completely different purposes.
Also, who’s (practically) running more than two apps at the same time on the Mini?
It’s just not something anyone ever does.
External display support would’ve been nice though, but I’m pretty sure that requires a keyboard and mouse, which again… isn’t something most people do with their iPad minis
 
I'm not butthurt about this though. I'm happy with my 12.9 iPad Pro (2020). I switched over to it because I was tired of my personal use Intel MacBook Pro getting hot and loud over mundane tasks. If I had waited another 6 months, I would've just gotten the M1 MacBook Air though. I will probably never daily-drive an iPad as a personal computer again because the fanless Apple Silicon Macs are the computer I was hunting for a few years back anyway.
 
TimB21 said:
There's an awful lot of whining going on in here.

If you can do better, do better! Otherwise...
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I agree! BETTER QUALITY WHINING, FOLKS! /s

There’s been no posts on the physical ailments this will cause, the number of cute puppies that will be harmed or the madness that will spread ‘pon the world, OR how relationships will end.
 
Darth Tulhu said:
There isn't an answer Apple can give that will satisfy folks.

Just accept that they did it for the money (they did) and move on.

I knew the M1 iPad was going to be the line in the sand the moment it came out, which is why I chose that time to jump into the iPad ecosystem and ditch my Macs.

The RAM, that was the biggest clue. And the fact that it was a desktop chip. It really was the FIRST iPad with legs; the one to keep for many years.
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Well, once a lier always a lier, Apple lied so often that even the die hard fans don’t believe what they say anymore.
Don’t forget that we are on a pro-Apple site, and even here most of its users don’t believe that BS.

Apple is working hard to f’up their reputation, it’s about time to eject Tim Crook.
 
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