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First, people talking about smoothly moving and resizing windows on old computers are forgetting that you were usually working with an outline of the window, not the full contents of the window itself. They didn’t have the power to perform the calculations to do it live for a good decade or two. Even then, there was a lot of lag! Apple is not going to publicly release something they know will reflect poorly on their product.
And what real value is there to users in having windows do live redraws while they're being moved around the screen? That's decorative window dressing. And Apple could've supported both live redraws and outlines, using one or the other on a given platform depending on the processor and GPU.
Second, iPad apps are not designed like desktop apps. They may not all be built around being resized. There are still apps out there that don’t support features like split screen. Apple has to code workarounds for apps like this, and that will require extra processing and memory.
Previous iPad pros are incredibly powerful. What you're describing is trivial for the processors on these platforms. They're as fast as Intel 11th generation mobile processors.
Third, non-M1 iPads do have external monitor support, but it has to be written into the app. The springboard does not resize to an external monitor, probably because the interface is so obviously touch-based. Mouse interaction was an afterthought.

There are plenty of things Apple does that are worth complaining about, but “Apple didn’t give me a free new feature for an iPad that was never advertised to support it” isn’t one of them.
It's precisely one of them.
 
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Those applications also consumed 10s of MB if RAM, not almost a GB each. Your old MacBook doesn’t have enough RAM to run WindowServer that is pulling over 900 MB on my Mac just now. Even Discord is taking over 1GB and this forum is eating up 188 MB on Safari plus the 150 MB from the main Safari process.
Apples Developer Transition Kit with A12Z was able to run multiple Apps with high demand on macOS, additionally Xcode and compile at same time.

All just lame excuses of Apple, simply as that.
 
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Technically, some older iPads are "supported" on iPadOS 16. As in, some form of code will be pushed to them later in the fall with the iPadOS 16 name attached to it.

Realistically? They're dead. Based on the way they've treated 1- and 2-year-old iPads this year, I wouldn't be shocked at all if they drop support for all A-series iPads and Intel Macs next year.
Intel Macs are likely to be dropped next year, definitely anything older than 2020 models and the 2019 Mac Pro. Those probably would be dropped in 2024.

OS support wise, I don't think Apple would drop ipads that quickly. They're still supporting SO based ipads with iOS 16, despite the same hardware iphone 6s are dropped.

TBH, Apple should've just stayed quiet like usual. They never went out their way preparing and making such statements before. Now that they did, people will be curious if their vague reasons as Apple is not providing actual technical evidence.
 
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Intel Macs are likely to be dropped next year, definitely anything older than 2020 models and the 2019 Mac Pro. Those probably would be dropped in 2024.

OS support wise, I don't think Apple would drop ipads that quickly. They're still supporting SO based ipads with iOS 16, despite the same hardware iphone 6s are dropped.

TBH, Apple should've just stayed quiet like usual. They never went out their way preparing and making such statements before. Now that they did, people will be curious if their vague reasons as Apple is not providing actual technical evidence.
It’s because as soon they open their mouth a lie comes out.
 
Hello to all. I don't have the slightest interest on the Pro or the Air... I bought the new "latest" mini (I also have the model 2 and 5; they still do their job). Due to my age and health, now I only go up to the sky on sailplanes. For me; the mini is the best cockpit companion ones can have. «Stage Manager» is more or less irelevant for my needs but:

Apple; why can't I have a «Full Screen», when connecting my mini to an external monitor and using any of my navigation planner applications? Why the black borders, on the monitor screen?
Why my mini 6, still sold worldwide, is already outdated, for that upcoming OS update?

Apple, I know you can do better; kind regards to all
 

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hey,
how do I enable Stage Manager in Developer Beta on iPad Pro M1? I can't find the setting anywhere. And how do I get to the Stage Manager if it's activated or is it just always on?
Thank you for your help!
 
It’s not like older iPads suddenly have less features from when they bought it. They still have the iPad they were promised at the time of purchase, with the same or more features. There’s never a guarantee that your hardware will be compatible with new software in the future, but it’s nice when it is.

That said, I am extremely glad that I skipped the 2020 iPad Pro and went with the 2021 model from my 2018 model.
 
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I really like what they’ve done here. It re-iterates that Apple want the iPadOS to be fluent, speedy and smooth. And will limit how its used to achieve that. Which is the opposite of traditional OS’s which like things to ”chugg along” at barely useable pace just to say ”we can do it all!”.

Please stop asking for iPadOS/iOS to be a normal OS. I cant stand the old 40+ yr old operating system world. Cant we do things newer and better instead?
 
Apples Developer Transition Kit with A12Z was able to run multiple Apps with high demand on macOS, additionally Xcode and compile at same time.

All just lame excuses of Apple, simply as that.
It also had significantly more RAM and faster storage. Why do you think it is only the CPU that matters?
 
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hey,
how do I enable Stage Manager in Developer Beta on iPad Pro M1? I can't find the setting anywhere. And how do I get to the Stage Manager if it's activated or is it just always on?
Thank you for your help!

at 4.01 it shows you how to turn stage manager on. You need to have installed Ipad os 16 beta for this.
 
I'm sorry, but if Apple can't make full external monitor support work on something like the A12X that has almost a teraflop of GPU performance and CPU performance nearing that of an i7-7700, they may very well have the least qualified developers to ever set foot in any major tech company.

Even full fledged macOS supported true multitasking with 4 and 6GB of RAM, so why can't Apple do it when they're working with significantly faster CPU, RAM, and SSDs?

The truth is, they can do both of those things. However, as this thread exemplifies so well, the massive amount of fans that believe everything they say without question ensures that they don't have to.
And the policy(lack of policy) that allowed monopoly. Otherwise you’ll probably be able to see 200 dollar tablets that runs stage manger with external monitor with keyboard in the box already
 
It’s lose/lose — everyone will just comment they are “lying” as if they know the intricacies of their inner workings, engineering pipeline, or business track. Whether we like it or not, there’s a reason they are a multi-trillion dollar company and it’s not listening to Redditors or MacRumors commentators.
Friend, I appreciate your intentions, but I fear you are wading into shark-infested waters to save someone who refuses to swim on their own. It’s futile to try reasoning with those who just want to be “right”.
 
Also, if mere better multi window support needs a powerful chip like M1 to pull it off, one has to question how Apple iPadOS utilises resources in the background. Pentium MMX three decades ago with 64MB of RAM would support Windows 95 multitasking just fine. Smh only M1 can support multi-windows on iPadOS, which is already a stripped down version of macOS according to Apple. Financial incentive is their first reason removing support on older iPads.

Yes, those modern apps uses way more RAM Than before, but that’s a bad programming practice of developing bloated mess Dragging down the performance. Which leads me wonder again how they are using the hardware resources.
 
Also, if mere better multi window support needs a powerful chip like M1 to pull it off, one has to question how Apple iPadOS utilises resources in the background. Pentium MMX three decades ago with 64MB of RAM would support Windows 95 multitasking just fine. Smh only M1 can support multi-windows on iPadOS, which is already a stripped down version of macOS according to Apple. Financial incentive is their first reason removing support on older iPads.

Yes, those modern apps uses way more RAM Than before, but that’s a bad programming practice of developing bloated mess Dragging down the performance. Which leads me wonder again how they are using the hardware resources.
Windows 95 used the swap and of course those applications didn’t even use 16 MB of RAM, never mind the 180 MB that this browser tab is using and 1 GB that the window manager task is using on my Mac. We have in the M1, more RAM, faster storage, potentially storage that also lends itself better to being used more frequently as swap space, and faster I/O.
 
People are going to still whine, but Apple just provided a definitive technical reason. As far as I’m concerned the case is closed.

The same goes for new iOS versions on older iPhones. It’s a super laggy experience that most people wouldn’t actually want, which is why Apple periodically stops supporting older models.
I understand the M1 iPad's only getting this feature, but the 7+ with 3GB Ram and a 4 core A10 can't run iOS 16 while the 5th gen iPad with 2GB ram and a 2 core A9 Processor, gets iPadOS 16, a more demanding operating system than iOs?
 
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It’s lose/lose — everyone will just comment they are “lying” as if they know the intricacies of their inner workings, engineering pipeline, or business track. Whether we like it or not, there’s a reason they are a multi-trillion dollar company and it’s not listening to Redditors or MacRumors commentators.
I dunno. I just figured a computer made in 2018 or 2020 would be able to … move windows around on a couple of screens? I mean, I had a double monitor setup in 2000 at work, and was moving windows around on a single screen in 1995…and I think I was late to the game. I don’t think my ][C had a visual operating system yet, but it was pretty soon after that, wasn’t it?

So, no, I don’t have an idea of what goes on at Apple. But I simply don’t believe that an iPad built in 2018 is incapable of dual screens and windowed apps, which the Microsoft Surface has had since inception in 2012.
 
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Will I be able to get proper full screen TV/monitor on my Pro 11 2020?

I dont mind missing out on Stage Manager but I just don’t want the black pillars anymore.
Sorry but the truth is that iPad Pro 2020 does not support stage management
I believe that the 2020 pro have enough ram to use stage management without monitor support but apple cut the whole feature out. It have 6GB ram and a powerful A12Z, Apple seemed too lazy to explain why 2020pro doesn’t support monitors
 
People aren’t listening to the core argument Apple is making here. It’s not that the 2018/2020 iPad Pros aren’t powerful enough CPU-wise to run Stage Manager, it’s that their storage isn’t fast enough to support the virtual memory swapping Stage Manager requires while still maintaining the speed and fluidity people expect from iOS/iPadOS. Apple’s statement says the M1’s SSD storage is 2x faster, but look at any benchmarks online and the M1’s storage controller is 5-10x faster than the 2020 Pro.

Yes, virtual memory has been around on Macs since slow spinning hard drives. We’re used to macOS hanging or taking a moment to think. We’re used to spinning beach balls and freezes that occur when using a system with too little RAM and slower storage. Anyone who’s upgraded from 8GB to 32GB of RAM on macOS can tell you what a difference it makes when running multiple demanding apps.

Apple doesn’t want that for iPad. Could Stage Manager run on an A12X or A12Z or an A14 or A15? Sure. But the lower RAM amount will mean even more paging to slower storage. It will likely be slower, choppier, and cause people to complain that Apple is gimping the performance of their iPads to force them to upgrade.
 
This brings the M1 iPads closer to Macs, like many wanted last year after the M1 iPads first debuted. It seems to me that Apple is listening.
People once said that the M1 is over kill and they needed a better OS. Now that are angry at why the advanced system doesn’t support older iPads.
 
Sorry if i'm being rather dumb here, but will having a mac m1 and now ipad pro 2021 M1 now work together like an additional external display? Like i can now drag windows to each display, certain apps open on one display and keep outlook on another, for example. Would i be able to have different excel sheets on different displays?

Cheers
 
Even as a fanboy, I call BS on this! Even if it had to be dialled down a bit for non-M1 iPads, such as removing the external 6k support, I think most of the new features could be supported by a wider range of iPads. I can't see recent non-M1 iPads struggling with Stage Manager anyway.
 
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