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A point that would also hold water if the silicon necessary had not already been released.
I vote with the wallet of others.

M1 silicon was designed to be used in Apple's premium tablets. You may not understand that tech manufacturers tier their products based on capability/speed/etc, with corresponding differences in price.

Pay more money, get better performance. It's not that difficult of a concept to grasp.
 
Meh, I’d say wait until next or even next, next gen. The features are still in beta right now anyway. There’ll probably be some new iPad Pros come October/November after iPadOS 16 is officially released.

Yes waiting for something better is always an option too. The problems is, you can be waiting for something even better forever if you don't take the plunge.
 
Same website can still open on a 4G RAM Mac though. My Macbook Air 2014 runs quite smoothly with Chrome as browser and multiple apps open.

Yes, but here we were talking about 0,000061 Gb of RAM.

The problem with your 2014 MacBook Air is there isn't any problem for you as user to make it slow by opening up some more memory demanding apps and many tabs in chrome.

Apple doesn't want you as a user to be able to make your computer slow even if you are trying.
 
Seriously, are people just forgetting all previous Windows versions? Of course it's possible to multitask without "tons of RAM".

But even that argument is bogus, because even the base iPad has e.g, 3 GB RAM. I think that's reasonably enough for at least basic multitasking.

Yes, but the reason why Apple have such a high memory requirement is they don't want the iPad to slow down ever! Even if you as a user tries to.

It's quite easy today to make a Windows computer or a Mac slow if it only has 3Gb of RAM. You can probably just do it with chrome and the right web applications.
 
Apple needs to do something to encourage new iPad sales. Functionality limitations provides that incentive though not as much as they might expect given that said functionality can be covered by owning an M1 Mac and a non-M1 iPad. Also, assuming the iOS 16 glide path continues, an M1 or M2 iPad could easily develop into a platform that eliminates the need for 2 platforms and cannibalize MBP sales.
 
M1 silicon was designed to be used in Apple's premium tablets.
Source? You made this up.
You may not understand that tech manufacturers tier their products based on capability/speed/etc, with corresponding differences in price.
The mini isn't a 'low end product'. No iPad is a low-end product.
Pay more money, get better performance. It's not that difficult of a concept to grasp.
Apple isn't giving people an option to pay more. Their oldest iPads, which haven't been updated in over a year, represent 40% of the tablets that will support this feature.

Also - don't be rude. I am more than happy to pay more money for better performance, but Apple hasn't offered that as an option.
 
Any iPad app which was compatible with split-screen should be compatible with stage-manger. The apps were responsive and already deal successfully with different full scree aspect ratios, not to mention split-screen's dynamically changing window widths.
In other words, only apps specifically updated to be compatible with window manager will look good. Same as Dex.
 
That's not the Apple way when it comes to iOS and iPad OS. Apple likes consistency for a feature across devices. And so do customers.

Having different limits based on iPad models isn't very elegant, will lead to confusion and I think something Apple really just hates.
That right there is the big puzzle? Where is the consistency with the followup examples: A15 6.7" iPhone 13 Pro Max vs a A15 iPad Mini 6 vs a M1 12.9" iPad Pro, as far as multitasking, even side by side. You've more or less implied the consistency doesn't apply across devices with this Stage Manager. iPadOS 15 wasn't exactly stellar for working with multiple apps easily. IPadOS 16 now makes this happen better with a finite set of devices. I guess its progress of a sorts, but each device varies more on what it can and cannot do. :)
 
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Apple is a corporation that is legally required to make the best decisions to enrich its shareholders before it thinks about its employees or customers. Corporations are never our friends, and they are CERTAINLY never our family.
Are you better off with or without Apple’s, which is a corporation last time I checked, products. I suspect you are better off for Apple’s “greed” because it was your “greed” that incentivize you to buy their products. Your relationship with Apple is, therefore, a symbiotic relationship for your common good, which is not unlike how families are symbiotic that organize for the collective good Of all members.
 
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Are you better off with or without Apple’s, which is a corporation last time I checked, products. I suspect you are better off for Apple’s “greed” because it was your “greed” that incentivize you to buy their products. Your relationship with Apple is, therefore, a symbiotic relationship for your common good, which is not unlike how families are symbiotic that organize for the collective good Of all members.
That was deep. I might need to sit under an olive tree and think for a bit. :)
 
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From a DeX review.
Samsung DeX is limited to general office productivity applications such as word processing, emailing, and web browsing. Heavier tasks to include making a presentation, image editing, graphics, design, or video editing are impossible due to the lack of relevant Android apps and necessary optimization.
The review mentions the most popular apps amongst those specifically optimized for Dex. It is much less important to have many other types of apps (like games) to work in multi window mode (although most of them will work too). Besides, we already established that it's not different for iOS.
 
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They did lead off with “large internal memory”. The M1 has a higher baseline of 8GB of RAM compared to the older SOCs.

I also think it might work on A12X and higher, but it might have been laggy with less than 8GB of RAM, depending on which apps you’re running and how high the resolution of the external monitor is. Some heavy apps today can use 5GB alone, so a 2018 iPad Pro with 4GB total RAM might have struggled a bit with these apps plus Stage Manager plus an external monitor.
Which is why I suggested the external monitor stuff would be reserved for the M1's, but they could have probably made it work on the iPad display alone...

We all know Apple loves to obsolete products quicker than necessary. I'm sure this is a part of a plan.
 
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So you like somebody else deciding what software you are allowed to run and which not?

Yes, I want there to be at least one such system as long there exist another system with more freedom for the user.
 
So you're saying multitasking, which exists at least since Windows 3.1, ONLY WORKS ON THE M1 iPad?
Seriously, what's wrong with you people?

You do realize multitasking on Windows 3.1 has exactly nothing to do with this? It's like saying GeForce 660 should be able to run Cyberpunk 2077 because we had 3D graphics with 3dfx Voodoo in 1997.

How much RAM did the apps take then and how much now?
How many background processes did they use?
What were the resolutions running on those Windows 3.1 computers?
What was the performance on those computers?

It's worlds apart.

Also, for the record, Windows 3.1 didn't actually have true multitasking. Not that it matters here, but just fyi.

The fact is, for the solution Apple chose for this multitasking solution, you require a swap file. And for the performance to stay the same, instantaneous and responsive as you're used to on iPads that previously didn't use swap, you need an M1 SSD controller.
 
You do realize multitasking on Windows 3.1 has exactly nothing to do with this? It's like saying GeForce 660 should be able to run Cyberpunk because we had 3D graphics with 3dfx Voodoo in 1997.
Awkward example given the current generation GPUs struggle to run Cyberpunk, but I'll allow it. Carry on.
 
So you like somebody else deciding what software you are allowed to run and which not?

Heck, I bought an iPhone before there was an App Store. Would I prefer being able to install non-App Store apps? Sure.

That said, I prefer the iOS platform and the App Store offers enough of the apps I want/need so I’m willing to live with Apple’s restrictions.
 
So non-M1 iPads can run the entirety of iPadOS exactly as it is on the M1 iPad but one singular multi-tasking window function is the straw that broke the camel's back?

If there was that much of a difference in graphical capacity, we'd see it in many, many more (and obvious) ways than just one window management feature. This is clearly an intentional software lock-out.

No, the problem is supporting several memory demanding applications at once with 3 or 4Gb of Ram without suffering slowdown.

You probably think that Apple should support 2 or 3 windows then because it's better with a little support than no support at all. But that's not the Apple way.

They probably want the device to support everything the M1 iPad can without any slowdown and if it can't it won't get the feature.
 
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Maybe there is something in the way A-series SoCs were designed which makes it difficult to implement more than one screen?

The M1 and M2 only support two screens (including internal) on the Mac side, while M1 Pro/Max/Ultra supports three screens.

It seems Apple ARM CPUs haven't really been optimised for a lot of screens.
Could be some weird A series multiple screen quirk, however as many have pointed out the DTK they issued a couple of years ago used an A12Z with some more RAM and I assume that must have been able to run at least 2 screens at once.

For me Stage Manager I could understand and to be honest is no big loss, however proper external screen support should’ve been added when they started mouse/keyboard support. Some apps can already extend their screen in some cases such as a video preview on the external and the editor timeline on the internal screen, so I’m having a hard time understanding why the A12X iPad cannot run Pages/Word on one screen and a web browser or video on the other and have both screens properly scaled.
 
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