Apple Explains Why Stage Manager is Limited to M1 iPads in New Statement

[darngooddesign]

Trying to discredit the person talking to you is a very commonly used tactic, but it doesn't work because my "credentials" are irrelevant to the matter at hand.

And the matter at hand here is: according to your reasoning, you are telling us that it's somehow completely impossible bake this feature into the 2018 due to a hardware limitation, or due to a software limitation Apple CANNOT EVER get around.

Therefore, either Apple is incompetent to give users hardware that can do multitasking, making it UNDERPOWERED in comparison to other Pro options, or there is an inherent software limitation that cannot ever be overcome. They can't ever give you a scaled down version of multitasking because multitasking can't ever be scaled down.

Which is which? Why don't you tell us more about a detailed account on inherent limitations of the iPad, and why it's much inferior hardware compared to the competition that it can't ever do full multitasking?

Or are you just guessing Apple's reasons?

I'm not discrediting your knowledge of multitasking, you did that yourself.

I don't have to guess about Apple's reasons, because Apple already stated their reasons.

But here you are saying Apple is wrong about something you demonstrated that you know little about.

 

[citysnaps]

I have all the iPads. The mini is the best, and there is no m1 iPad mini.

Sucks making a bad decision if your goal was to have Stage Manager.

Simply purchase an M1 Pro iPad and find happiness. Or maybe a Samsung or Sanyo's multitasking tablet.

 

[Joe Dohn]

I don't have to guess about Apple's reasons, because Apple already stated their reasons.

Apple gave an official statement, but it doesn't make it true. Do you always take big corporations (not just Apple) at face value? So, all official statements Google, Microsoft, Facebook, will give to the public are also dogmatically true?

Or just Apple's?

 

[blackcrayon]

Trying to discredit the person talking to you is a very commonly used tactic, but it doesn't work because my "credentials" are irrelevant to the matter at hand.

And the matter at hand here is: according to your reasoning, you are telling us that it's somehow completely impossible bake this feature into the 2018 due to a hardware limitation, or due to a software limitation Apple CANNOT EVER get around.

Therefore, either Apple is incompetent to give users hardware that can do multitasking, making it UNDERPOWERED in comparison to other Pro options, or there is an inherent software limitation that cannot ever be overcome. They can't ever give you a scaled down version of multitasking because multitasking can't ever be scaled down.

Which is which? Why don't you tell us more about a detailed account on inherent limitations of the iPad, and why it's much inferior hardware compared to the competition that it can't ever do full multitasking?

Or are you just guessing Apple's reasons?

But the 2018 iPads do have (comparatively) scaled down multitasking (as in working with multiple apps on the screen at once), do they not? Split screen.

Really, Apple should simply give the same multitasking capabilities with the new Stage Manager UI. I.e. 3 apps at once. If dependence on a swap file really isn't a good idea on older iPads, it makes sense to not give them as many simultaneous apps.

 

[AlexMac89]

Or are you just guessing Apple's reasons?

Oh, so exactly what you and everyone else here is doing with your refusal to accept the statement for what it was, while needing to paint a picture of malice and greed, rather than move on with your life. I am amazed stage manager (or lack there of) has negatively impacted your life to such an extreme degree.

So you are allowed to guess at Apple's reasons and motivations, but not anyone else (unless of course they share the same opinion as you)?

The fact of the matter is, for whatever reason, apple has determined they don't want stage manager running on devices prior to M1. This is also a brand new feature, of an unreleased major software revision. This feature will continued to be refined over the next few years. So much angst over an additional mode for the newest, most powerful iPads.

 

[Joe Dohn]

Oh, so exactly what you and everyone else here is doing with your refusal to just accept the statement and move on with your life. I am amazed stage manager (or lack there of) has negatively to such an extreme degree.

So you are allowed to guess at Apple's reasons and motivations, but not anyone else (unless of course they share the same opinion of you).

The fact of the matter is, for whatever reason, apple has determined they don't want stage manager running on devices prior to M1. This is also a brand new feature, of an unreleased major software revision. This feature will continued to be refined over the next few years. So much angst over an additional mode for the newest, most powerful iPads.

It's not "negativity". It's thinking about things critically. Corporations don't always have your best interests at right (big surprise!) But if users want them to change, they must let corporations know.

I personally have the latest M1 iPad, and I think Stage Manager won't even be a relevant feature. So, in theory, I should be concerned about it the least. But when I imagine there are other users that paid so much in their previous models, and Apple is just arbitrarily trying to make them upgrade, it doesn't sound right to me. I wouldn't want to be in their places. Which is why I'm criticizing Apple.

And it's not just me that's saying they could at least provide a scaled down version of Stage Manager. I didn't get that out of my own head. There are many other users – people with "proper" technical background, that also feel that way.

 

[4jasontv]

Sucks making a bad decision if your goal was to have Stage Manager.

Simply purchase an M1 Pro iPad and find happiness. Or maybe a Samsung or Sanyo's multitasking tablet.

Am I saying the wrong words or are you not familiar with Apple?

There. Is. No. M1. Mini. The Pro is a terrible tablet. Don’t waste your money.

 

[tomsop]

I understand that iPads become obsolete but my iPad 2020 Pro is not able to use the most significant update. I did not get the M1 because I just got done paying for the iPad Pro and at the time there was not a need to upgrade. Having to buy a new iPad Pro every 2 years to stay current on the software is poor planning on Apple's part - they trickled out the software and already had a roadmap - this was intentional and an insult to iPad Pro 2020 holders. Then they want us to get an M1 that is already one year and 2 months old. I am going to keep my iPad Pro 2020 for longer. Actually they even screwed up the updates by producing the M1 iPad Pro that cannot even fit the magic keyboards that they issued for the 2020 iPad pro's. People made it work but they actually suggested updating the 349 keyboard to better fit the m1 iPad Pro. What a joke.

 

[AlexMac89]

It's not "negativity". It's thinking about things critically. Corporations don't always have your best interests at right (big surprise!) But if users want them to change, they must let corporations know.

Critical Thinking: the objective analysis and evaluation of an issue in order to form a judgment.

(And just in case you need it) Objective: not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

Your posts have been full of emotional pandering and assumptions. That is not critical thinking, that is forming opinions based in emotion and feeling.

You don't provide facts. You provide hyperbole, assumptions, opinions, and desires, and parade them as immutable truths. The fact is, you have provided nothing that shows that apple's internal testing had the feature meeting expectations, and then axed it anyway.

Your multiple "experts" and people with "proper" background may FEEL (your word, and again, can't be critical thinking if you are using feelings) the same way as you, but until one of your "experts" has the feature running compromise free on an older iPad, your thoughts are nothing more than conjecture.

Apple has nothing to prove to you. They have no need nor requirement to do so. It's amusing to watch you and your cohorts assume Apple's motives while telling everyone else they have no right to assume and need to present facts. Ya'll are a riot.

I have no problem with you nor your opinions. What I have an issue with is those of you who speak to everyone like only your opinion is truth. Your opinion is just as much an opinion as mine, and carries no additional weight or truth.

 

[joeycee]

So Apple shouldn't offer any new features unless they can run on ALL models going back at least 5 years? Madness.

Older devices don't magically become "obsolete" -- they still get almost all the new features and don't stop working all of a sudden. I want Apple to keep making progress. And if it means an advanced feature that makes more demands of the system necessitates dropping some older devices, so be it. My 2018 iPad Pro can't take advantage of Stage Manager, but it'll be something to look forward to.

 

[darngooddesign]

Am I saying the wrong words or are you not familiar with Apple?

There. Is. No. M1. Mini. The Pro is a terrible tablet. Don’t waste your money.

I understood what you meant

 

[erikkfi]

Yeah, it’s been a thing for quite awhile. Apple introduced LIDAR cameras at the same time that they enabled LIDAR features in the software.

Yep, who can forget all those core LIDAR-reliant features?

 

[Joe Dohn]

Critical Thinking: the objective analysis and evaluation of an issue in order to form a judgment.

(And just in case you need it) Objective: not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

Your posts have been full of emotional pandering and assumptions. That is not critical thinking, that is forming opinions based in emotion and feeling.

You don't provide facts. You provide hyperbole, assumptions, opinions, and desires, and parade them as immutable truths. The fact is, you have provided nothing that shows that apple's internal testing had the feature meeting expectations, and then axed it anyway.

Your multiple "experts" and people with "proper" background may FEEL (your word, and again, can't be critical thinking if you are using feelings) the same way as you, but until one of your "experts" has the feature running compromise free on an older iPad, your thoughts are nothing more than conjecture.

Apple has nothing to prove to you. They have no need nor requirement to do so. It's amusing to watch you and your cohorts assume Apple's motives while telling everyone else they have no right to assume and need to present facts. Ya'll are a riot.

I have no problem with you nor your opinions. What I have an issue with is those of you who speak to everyone like only your opinion is truth. Your opinion is just as much an opinion as mine, and carries no additional weight or truth.

Do you realize that I'm being "emotional" to mirror YOU?
But you don't realize it, obviously. I'm not surprised.

For example, you said:

You don't provide facts. You provide hyperbole, assumptions, opinions, and desires, and parade them as immutable truths. The fact is, you have provided nothing that shows that apple's internal testing had the feature meeting expectations, and then axed it anyway.

So, you are saying I should provide facts. Fair enough.

But what facts have YOU provided?

So far, it's you who has presented your opinion ("Apple doesn't introduce multitasking to iOS because there is a justified technological reason to do so") as a fact.

Or do you have a TECHNICAL STUDY that PROVES, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the 2018 iPad CANNOT do multitasking?

Because you haven't presented it here. Have you?

The only explanation for such a behavior is that you believe your opinions are facts themselves.
But prove me wrong. Show me your technical studies / justifications that PROVE that the 2018 iPad CANNOT do true multitasking.

I'm listening.

Apple has nothing to prove to you. They have no need nor requirement to do so. It's amusing to watch you and your cohorts assume Apple's motives while telling everyone else they have no right to assume and need to present facts. Ya'll are a riot.

I think the one that has the authority to say "Apple has nothing to prove to you" (or just plain ignore me) is Apple.Or are you speaking in their name?

I don't have any "cohorts". What does that even mean? So, just because some people here agree with me, then they are my cohorts?

That's an all-or-nothing bias.

 

[darngooddesign]

Yep, who can forget all those core LIDAR-reliant features?

LOL. When AirDrop was released it only worked with the new Wi-Fi chips.

 

[turbineseaplane]

poor planning on Apple's part - they trickled out the software and already had a roadmap - this was intentional and an insult to iPad Pro 2020 holders.

This is 100% correct

Apple has the product lineups and feature sets mapped out and locked in, years in advance.

This was very intentional

 

[dumastudetto]

This is 100% correct

Apple has the product lineups and feature sets mapped out and locked in, years in advance.

This was very intentional

Apple always releases the very best product it can at that moment in time.

 

[AlexMac89]

Do you realize that I'm being "emotional" to mirror YOU?
But you don't realize it, obviously. I'm not surprised.

For example, you said:



So, you are saying I should provide facts. Fair enough.

But what facts have YOU provided?

So far, it's you who has presented your opinion ("Apple doesn't introduce multitasking to iOS because there is a justified technological reason to do so") as a fact.

Or do you have a TECHNICAL STUDY that PROVES, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the 2018 iPad CANNOT do multitasking?

Because you haven't presented it here. Have you?

The only explanation for such a behavior is that you believe your opinions are facts themselves.
But prove me wrong. Show me your technical studies / justifications that PROVE that the 2018 iPad CANNOT do true multitasking.

I'm listening.



I think the one that has the authority to say "Apple has nothing to prove to you" (or just plain ignore me) is Apple.Or are you speaking in their name?

I don't have any "cohorts". What does that even mean? So, just because some people here agree with me, then they are my cohorts?

That's an all-or-nothing bias.

You are being intentionally obtuse, and I'm not going to waste my time on you any longer. I have not presented anything as fact. Rather just gone with the flow in regards to the official information apple provided. If you want to spend your life angry hot and heated over a tech product update, you do you.

My OPINION is that there is not enough actual information outside of Apple's official statement to go off of. You continue to deflect by asking me to prove myself, which I have admitted to being MY OPINION based on the facts presented, while refusing to present any facts yourself.

At the end of the day, I live in a society that is "innocent until proven guilty." Last time I checked, you have yet to prove anything regarding apple's truths and intentions, and until you are able to do so, I refuse to live my life assuming the worst about everyone and everything around me.

✌🏻

 

[switz]

I bought the first generation M1 iPad Pro with cellular and 2TB SSD when it was first available. The cell capability and size of the SSD were the only two operational choices. I added a Brydge keyboard with trackpad. The total cost was obviously higher than the M1 MBAir. But I have primary connectivity anywhere in the USA there is Verizon cell service. (Meaning not attempting to use my iPhone 13 Max Pro 1TB as a hotspot but as a phone). The M1 will have successors with more speed and other features, but this iPad will not be obsolete for many years as it has the proper architecture to run the future iPad OS systems needing "M" series processors.

The hand writing is very plain in bold letters on the wall.... M series is in and Intel is out for the entire Apple product line. What is there to argue about? They also did this leaving Motorola and PowerPC behind.

No one is being forced to buy anything made by Apple. The older stuff still does what it was purchased for originally with perhaps a few positive tweaks in the operating system over the years that add a feature or two. My 2013 MacPro still does what is was designed to do in 2013. I added OWC memory and SSD that improved performance but that did not change the capabilities of the CPUs and video cards. The system lacks the components to run the new OS to be released this fall. Looking to get a Mac Studio to replace my vintage MacPro.

My 2019 16" Intel fully loaded laptop is last week's newspaper. My M1 MacBook Air has more power than that $6,000+ computer. I bought a fully loaded 14" M1 Max as primary machine for now.

The complaints sound like folks who want their 56 Ford to have all the features of a 2022 Ford. Ain't going to happen.

As John Wayne said years ago "Suck it Buttercup!" You want to play, get the latest toys in the play ground or stay home. The old toys still work as designed.

You don't like what Apple is doing, buy Android or any other products that you fancy. No need to blow hot air based upon personal perceptions not based upon actual knowledge of the engineering, specifications or designs (insider data) that Apple is actually using.

 

[Joe Dohn]

The hand writing is very plain in bold letters on the wall.... M series is in and Intel is out for the entire Apple product line. What is there to argue about? They also did this leaving Motorola and PowerPC behind.

You realize we are talking about iPads, right? Before the M1 chip, the previous iPads used AX chips, which are the same chips iPhones use. Not once has there been a shred of Intel CPUs on iPads.

 

[AlexMac89]

This was very intentional

You keep repeating this, and yet keep refusing to provide any evidence of this 🤔 Please inform us all of your collected evidence that this was "very intentional". And beyond "I feel this, and I'm certain it can run." Please SHOW US your irrefutable proof as to apple's intent.

 

[rovex]

Latest iPad mini users got shafted.

 

[citysnaps]

Am I saying the wrong words or are you not familiar with Apple?

There. Is. No. M1. Mini. The Pro is a terrible tablet. Don’t waste your money.

Correct. You purchased the wrong tablet if you want to run Stage Manager.

No the M1 iPad Pro is an excellent/outstanding tablet. I own one and could not be happier. And I'll soon be able to run Stage Manager because I made a smart decision purchasing the right tablet.

If I instead purchased an iPad mini, I wouldn't be on a public forum whining about my poor decision, embarrassing myself.

 

[minik]

This may add some perspective for 2020 owners. The 2020 iPad Pro (which was essentially the 2018 model with some new lipstick) was released in March of that year. If you wait to upgrade to the M2 IPP, with its rumored redesign coming out in September, that would make 30 months between devices (assuming you bought the 2020 soon after release). That’s not so terrible in the fast-moving, ever-changing world of iPad.

What to know what IS terrible? Try this: I was one of those who bought the snail-slow iPad 3 on day one, only to be highly annoyed when Tim Cook announced the iPad 4 with greatly improved speed (plus lightning port upgrade) only 6 months later! Now THAT qualifies as a “sucker punch” by Apple.

I bought the first three models of iPad on each launch day, the iPad 3 was sure underpowered. Now looking back, the first iPad or Mac hardware with Retina display was tended to be just meeting the baseline. I have used the iPad 3, Late 2014 retina 5K iMac, Late 2015 retina 4K iMac, and 2018 MacBook Air. The graphics were all pretty weak. Anyway, I traded in the iPad 3 for the iPad mini (5th gen) three years ago.

 

[KevinN206]

Sucks making a bad decision if your goal was to have Stage Manager.

Simply purchase an M1 Pro iPad and find happiness. Or maybe a Samsung or Sanyo's multitasking tablet.

Apple loves you.

 

[rui no onna]

Latest iPad mini users got shafted.

I have an iPad mini 6 and I don’t feel like I got shafted.

My iPad mini 6 runs all the apps I need it to and it will continue doing so after iPadOS 16 is released. Low RAM is an annoyance (lots of reloads and crashes) but I already knew that going in. Virtual Memory Swap is pretty much the only feature on 16 that I wish my mini would get. I couldn’t care less about Stage Manager.