Apple Explains Why Stage Manager is Limited to M1 iPads in New Statement

[smulji]

For anyone outside of Apple to "prove it", Apple would have to let them dig through the iPadOS 16 source code. That will never happen, so Apple is the only one that can prove their side of the argument. Doing so would be a waste of time for them as long as they have millions of fans that see a product with an Apple logo and instantly develop an emotional attachment to it.

That may be so but it doesn't negate what I said.

 

[darngooddesign]

For anyone outside of Apple to "prove it", Apple would have to let them dig through the iPadOS 16 source code. That will never happen, so Apple is the only one that can prove their side of the argument. Doing so would be a waste of time for them as long as they have millions of fans that see a product with an Apple logo and instantly develop an emotional attachment to it.

Apple could present detailed factual code evidence and the critics would still say "you're lazy and didn't try hard enough".

 

[sorgo †]

You know, it just occurred to me how much a stroke of evil genius by Apple this whole Stage Manager fiasco really is: They throw a bone to the crowd that up until this moment was rather constantly shrill about their precious M1 iPads being held back by iPadOS, which not only (mostly) shuts them up, but actually serves a second purpose of getting the heretofore disgruntled M1 iPad community to rabidly defend Apple against the underprivileged hordes who can see through the charade of their baseless elitism and Apple’s smug, feckless profit-chasing.

 

[dk001]

It’s obvious to anyone who isn’t a fanboy and/or follows their financials. iPad sales were down an eye opening 14% while every other category was up YoY.

Apple really screwed up the iPad line on several levels. People aren’t stupid… the iPad has become a horrible value compared to the Mac after it got the M series chips.

If the M2 Mac Air (New) only had a touch screen …..

 

[dk001]

WTF is a possible promse? Either you were promised something or you weren't. Most of these "promises" people on this forum were basing their buying decisions on were rumors, not promises by anybody.

Let’s call it speculation based on Apple Marketing pushing the iPad Pro = Laptop scenario.

 

[HiVolt]

iPadOS 16 drops support for the second-generation iPad Air and the fourth-generation iPad mini. That air is 5 years old, and the mini is 7 years old.

and if you had read any of my posts I never mentioned the vanilla iPads or Airs, only the 2018 or 2020 Pro's, pariticularly the 2020's because they had 6gb ram.

 

[Tubamajuba]

That may be so but it doesn't negate what I said.

So we're back at square one- sounds good to me.

Apple could present detailed factual code evidence and the critics would still say "you're lazy and didn't try hard enough".

I'm sure some would do that, but the religious fervor generally lies with the fanboys.

 

[Joe Dohn]

If the M2 Mac Air (New) only had a touch screen …..

Give it a touch screen and a detachable keyboard, and the iPad's value deteriorates. Which is why Apple hasn't done that.

 

[Joe Dohn]

For anyone outside of Apple to "prove it", Apple would have to let them dig through the iPadOS 16 source code. That will never happen, so Apple is the only one that can prove their side of the argument. Doing so would be a waste of time for them as long as they have millions of fans that see a product with an Apple logo and instantly develop an emotional attachment to it.

Actually, all it would take is for a jailbreak to develop an implementation of Stage Manager or better.
But since the iPad development is deliberately locked, doing that is not so easy.

 

[I7guy]

It’s obvious to anyone who isn’t a fanboy and/or follows their financials. iPad sales were down an eye opening 14% while every other category was up YoY.

Apple really screwed up the iPad line on several levels. People aren’t stupid… the iPad has become a horrible value compared to the Mac after it got the M series chips.

The iPad is a long life computer, which could explain the sales drop. And imo, apple didn’t screw up the iPad line, but ymmv on this.

 

[I7guy]

For anyone outside of Apple to "prove it", Apple would have to let them dig through the iPadOS 16 source code. That will never happen, so Apple is the only one that can prove their side of the argument. Doing so would be a waste of time for them as long as they have millions of fans that see a product with an Apple logo and instantly develop an emotional attachment to it.

I agree, those millions of fans are voting with their $$$. Right now, have to take apple at their word. Don’t want to? Meh. People can guess until the cows come home.

 

[I7guy]

Sorry but that is a pretty poor boo-how justification in my book. The car analogy doesn’t work.
I bought the iPad Pro 11 with goodies looking into Apples’ challenge on using the iPad Pro as your “laptop”.
Many of us did. We looked forward to the “Pro” apps and functionality. That never happened.
We did not know that Apple at that point had already mapped out the M1 and the path forward pretty much dumping us.

As for other tablets, other than Samsung at this point there really isn’t much out there. Maybe Google when they drop the Pixel 7 and other items Next year? Maybe.

What I suspect, maybe wrong, but it appears Apple is using the M1 as the cutoff point.
Pre M1, sorry folks but you be SOL. Don’t care if it can run on your hardware, we ain’t offering it.
Means there is likely more of this in the pipeline.

New features on new hardware is not new. When night light was released the same arguments about why the previous gen iPhone couldn’t support or are analogous to this discussion. My Xs max still doesn’t support night light. I doubt previous gen iPad models will support stage manager, but you never know.

 

[product26]

Because Apple is Fuqing terrible after 23 years of Mac OS exclusivity I am now a proud owner of a Dell laptop and a custom built Windows desktop.

 

[Abazigal]

The people here are funny. People were criticising them last year for not releasing features that took advantage of the M1 chip in the ipad, and now Apple is being criticised for doing precisely that.

If this isn’t evidence that people are just bashing Apple for the sake of bashing, I don’t know what is. Make a stand and stick with it, people!

 

[prospervic]

Or there are growing number of us (IMO) who are getting more and more tired of promises or possible promises....

Really? I can't seem to recall such. Would you care to list some of these iPad "promises" Apple made that they failed to deliver on?

 

[Tubamajuba]

I agree, those millions of fans are voting with their $$$. Right now, have to take apple at their word. Don’t want to? Meh. People can guess until the cows come home.

Yeah, I suppose I'll just shrug off the fact my two-year old $800 iPad "Pro" already isn't getting new tentpole features. Meh, it's just hard-earned money.

 

[CheezSlime]

when i first heard about sidecar i immediately bought an ipad pro for use with my mbp (and drawing) but then realized my mbp is too old to work. ive replaced it with a m1 mini so its a non issue now. now that ipadOS is getting an overhaul my ipad is getting left in the dust with new features. lol i feel like im always playing catch-up with apple.

but i honestly cant complain with the long support for iOS which i use moreso than ipadOS. theres always a trade off somewhere. do i need the newest features now? probably not.

 

[tgwaste]

So the parts in the mini-6 then are crap. Got it.

 

[kilimanjaro]

I loved my 2018 iPad Pro 11, but I wasn’t blind to the fact that it had to reload so many pages whenever I went back to Safari.
When I got the new M1 iPad Pro, the memory advantages and speed were obvious.
I am sure I wouldn’t enjoy using Stage Manager on it.. I am pretty sure it would be laggy and I would be wondering about the quality of the OS.
Now, if I bought a 2020 12Z, I might disappointed.

 

[jav6454]

So the parts in the mini-6 then are crap. Got it.

Not exactly, just the Mini is not meant as what people like the iPP to be.

 

[dk001]

Swap part starts at 7:56

Interesting info.

 

[jav6454]

Swap part starts at 7:56

Interesting info.

In the end, this is due to one reason: money. If you want the nice features you have to buy up to the more expensive models

 

[hektor6tygr]

This statement would be more believable if Apple simply showed us how bad it would be running it on the A12X/Z (eg super choppy animation, apps crashing due to low RAM, etc). Simply demo it and say “see, this is why we require the M1.” Done. People would be more than willing to accept and even upgrade. Be transparent.

But no, Apple won’t do that, because they probably know it can be worked out if they wanted to. Put a limit on how many apps retained, and/or cut down some of the eye candy, or just have it not support external monitor in the older iPads.

It would be hilarious if somebody managed to jailbreak the older iPads and then enable the feature, and then it worked fine.

I get your point but from a purely marketing point of a view, I don’t see a company highlighting how their older hardware can’t handle new features.

 

[ppj845]

Actually, all it would take is for a jailbreak to develop an implementation of Stage Manager or better.
But since the iPad development is deliberately locked, doing that is not so easy.

With this move apple pissed of 50% if not 80% of the iPad users. I think there may will be someone with enough will power to develop the jailbreak for iOS 16 eventually to enable stage manager. Just like Opencore Legacy Patcher

 

[supergt]

With this move apple pissed of 50% if not 80% of the iPad users. I think there may will be someone with enough will power to develop the jailbreak for iOS 16 eventually to enable stage manager. Just like Opencore Legacy Patcher

It’s highly unlikely there will be a jailbreak for iOS 16 in the medium to long term future (after release). iOS 15 remains unjailbroken due to Apple’s improved security mitigations.

That said, I can open multiple apps with resizable windows on my iPad 7th gen on 14.8.1 that is jailbroken. I’d be very upset if I owned a non M1 recent iPad that is missing the most important feature in years. Shame!