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Apple Explains Why Stage Manager is Limited to M1 iPads in New Statement
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The Motorola 68000 could handle graphical multitasking. Are you suggesting the A-series processors have more performance?
To nitpick: in the statement you quoted, they didn’t say it didn’t or wouldn’t meet „their“ standards.
They said it wouldn’t meet the standards their users expect - hence making an assumption about their users.
There’s clearly some users in this thread that don’t share that assumption - and might be happy with something that run less impressively on their older devices.
There is a technical reason if your CPU doesn’t support that amount of RAM.
CPU, controllers and mainboards always had limitations in the amount of memory they could address or access over their memory bus.
Customer: This feature won't run on existing hardware?
Apple: Not the way we want it to run.
Customer: How do you want it to run?
Apple: On new hardware.
That's a fabricated excuse. Not building it to support it doesn't justify not including it. All that says is that Apple knew from the beginning the M1 would not be sufficient. They knew the M1 couldn't handle higher RAM and they were forced to build different chips. Which would have been fine had they discontinued the M1 when the M1 pro was released.
I know he’s just another Apple PR mouthpiece. He neglected to mention 8GB RAM configurations are sold by Apple. 2GB of RAM does not make the difference between having a window manager and not.
Isn't it nuts?
Either Apple is terrible at software or we are all getting sold a bunch of BS
There's no way, whatsoever, that a window manager should suddenly necessitate new cutting edge hardware.
I mean - my lord -- it's 2022, not 2001
I don't believe this for a second, unless they intentionally programmed the feature to work poorly on devices that are already desktop-class as is.
Exactly. I can't believe that people actually buy Apple's excuse that the A12X and A12Z are incapable of running Stage Manager. They recently marketed those devices as being fast and powerful, but now they can't handle putting windows on a screen. Complete and utter cow patties.
That statement is completely out of touch with complex design and high-volume industrial manufacturing of integrated circuits, sorry.
It’s not an excuse - it’s a conscious design decision. High performance computer chips have been designed with certain performance specifications (as well thermal and manufacturing yield considerations) for decades. And yes, manufacturers typically have different models or lines of models to address different customer needs or device use cases.
You just don’t design an entry-level chip by wasting a huge transistor count on RAM support that no device manufacturer is ever going to make use of and virtually no consumer is able or willing to afford - just because you can.
It's not a waste because 32GB of RAM isn't wasted on entry-level devices. I just had to go through the process of exchanging a 16 GB MBP M1 Pro because 16GB was not sufficient for document management. The idea that anyone thinks 8GB is sufficient is clearly hoping people upgrade twice a year.
We’ll that’s the thing. You can believe it or not. And if you are mad enough at apple then you can opt to buy other manufacturers.
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Or leave feedback on the Developer Beta which they do look at…
I just had 60+ Safari tabs open, along with mail, EyeTV recording a TV movie, Music playing Music, while editing a 30+ page Pages document and having 5 PDFs open in Preview, two of them containing 100+ pages - and one of them was a „picture PDF“ of book I scanned myself (as inefficient as a PDF can get).
On an 8GB M1 Mac mini (literally the very cheapest Apple Silicon Mac they‘ve ever sold).
Working smoothly.
So yeah, document handling is quite alright for me. And 8GB seems sufficient for the time being.
I expect EVERY corporation I buy things from to be honest to me, because it's my duty as a consumer. All corporations, including Apple, have a legal obligation to make money for their shareholders, NOT their customers. Therefore, we have to continually monitor and criticize corporations when they lie to us. Apple is just like every other corporation, they're just fortunate enough to have a religious following that will buy anything they sell without question.
Customer: And support it for decades?
* Crickets *
Cute. Let me know when you want to test real work.
Not really. There are a numbe rof valid reasons why you don't.
Product differentiation. Most companies do it. It's why you can't get the all same options on the Hyundai and Genesis versions of the same basic platform.
Apple is targeting different market segments with each device's specs and pricepoint. The Air is the low end basic consumer model, and is speced and priced accordingly. As you move up the line you get higher specs ad pricepoints.
Having only the low end chip in the top end models render them far less appealing and capable; as well as risk canabliztion of higher priced modles by equally capable lower priced ones. Alternatively, an Air and MB speced teh same would cost about the same, which would simply confuse the consumer.
Trying to engineer motherboards, etc. for all processors/memory/GPUs across all lines would add cost, complexity in supply chains, as well as difficulty in determining how much of each to offer; or going to a whole lot of BTO choices and inherent issues with putting special orders into the que. Apple would have to raise prices or take a smaller margin due to the higher manufacturing and supply chain costs and fewer sales per SKU to amortize the development costs.
In the end, a simplified lineup is likely more profitable. Steve was right in slashing all the choices from the Mac when he took over.
Again I’m an Apple fan boy, I love their product and think they do the best job at longevity for products. Hell I still recommend their products over the vast majority because they normally do right by their customers.
But that does not mean we can not be critical or question their decisions. Look as an engineer and a marketing professional there is a fine line between support and purchase incentives for new products.
This was a misstep and the fact that people want to take Apple’s explanation face value stagnates development and does not make them accountable.
But that does not mean we can not be critical or question their decisions. Look as an engineer and a marketing professional there is a fine line between support and purchase incentives for new products.
This was a misstep and the fact that people want to take Apple’s explanation face value stagnates development and does not make them accountable.
This isn't a simplified lineup. Apple has like 14 processors to choose from right now. Each of which comes with limited but multiple options for other specs and features. That's what Steve was trying to get rid of. We need to return to the 4x4. Power or efficiency and portable or stationary.
Yup small business grid, this product line is bloated and harkens back to the Newton/Scully days. Not saying they will be on verge of Bankruptcy or something similar but the lack of product focus is a concern I have.
Exactly. Right now I have three pads and two MBPs in regular use. Most people don't want that. My SO doesn't want to manage multiple devices and gets overwhelmed moving between an iPad, Mac, and iPhone. Telling people that different devices work best for different tasks is fine, but not when there are a hundred different configurations for them to choose from. When someone says 'get an iPad pro' if you want to do X, completely misses the point of the Apple Ecosystem.
Lol I was just talking about how many iPads in the lineup there are. Your point goes even further then that!
Now I will say they do integrate together better then any offering from Microsoft or Google. But understand your frustration, I manage tech for my folks and they bring this point up too.
So I'm not sure where you are from, but at least in the United States, this is NOT the case. The US Supreme Court opinion from the 2013-2015 Hobby Lobby case stated that "modern corporate law does not require for-profit corporations to pursue profit at the expense of everything else, and many do not." Rejecting the federal government’s position that “for-profit” business corporations cannot “exercise religion” because their sole purpose is to make money and the Court in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc. construed state corporate law as permitting a broad array of non-monetary objectives.
But you know, keep perpetuating the myth that companies have to pursue profits above all else, and that because of this (untrue) assumption, are not to be trusted.
I’d wager that the corroding user confidence and loyalty is occurring specifically among those who used to be in the demographic that Apple targets, but have since aged out of that demographic. The products and services Apple’s creating and marketing today are to a group that will be buying devices over the next 40 years or so. It’s a smart strategy as they’re continually resetting who their most valuable customers are, maintaining relevance to that target demographic.
I’ve always felt that the right tool for the right job is the way to go. If someone needed VM’s specifically on a tablet device and the choice was iOS or Android, I’d have no problems directing someone to Android. Just because the majority of the computing devices I own have Apple logos on them doesn’t mean that suits anyone else. And, if VM’s are something that will drive sales, something large numbers of their target demographic is looking for and Apple doesn’t provide it, then they’ll fade to obscurity. I’ll still enjoy my products for as long as I can. And, when the time comes, I’ll look at what’s on the market and buy what meets my needs.
I’d guess I’d say I’m not Apple’s friend. I buy their products for as long as it makes sense for me to do so, for as long as I’m enjoying those products. I don’t like everything they do and I don’t feel any drive to like everything they do. And, as I’ve never ran a trillion dollar company or even worked in a trillion dollar company, I would never assume that any ideas I have would lead to the continuance of a trillion dollar company.