Apple Explains Why Stage Manager is Limited to M1 iPads in New Statement

[Ashbash75]

For the skeptics, here is a screenshot of my iPad 7th gen with jailbreak running 5 windowed apps simultaneously with no difficulty. All are active windows And useable (albeit small). I could’ve kept adding apps as well.

Shame on Apple.

Got to jailbreak my IPP and finally install kodi!

 

[Rafterman]

Hmmm following that logic, cow 💩 must taste great, i see plenty of flies eating it. 😆

Flies act on instinct, evolution and biological function, not logic or preference.

 

[code-m]

Got to jailbreak my IPP and finally install kodi!

Or wait till the wall garden’s gate have been opened by law. Either way it’s your choice as I am also awaiting to install Kodi through its website.

 

[Joe Dohn]

Rene Ritchie has just released a video trying exactly on this topic.

I'm so surprised I'm shocked with this unforeseen video.
Also, he came up with this the very exact argument shown on the threads here: "Apple doesn't want to break the illusion of speed."

What a coincidence! It seems there are many minds thinking alike. Riiiight?

 

[dk001]

It’s funny but I posted a time stamp of MaxTech’s video 10:20 I believe on the developer flags showing A-X/Z had support for this feature and was dropped. Some keep asking for proof Apple made a business decision over technical one… there it is.

Again anyone running the beta should submit feedback.

I have.

 

[jlc1978]

TL;DR: This whole thread is useless

So, your reasoning is: "Apple has decided that old chips would not run the way they wanted, because they have assessed the technology."

Yup. Thye made a decision based on their analysis.

Which boils down to "Apple said so".

Which is exactly what they said.

But no fact is valid just because a company said so. Apple is not objectively proving anything. They're not a magical, infallible entity. There's no proof anywhere that the 2020 iPad PRO ISN'T capable to run Stage Manager.

Apple never said it wouldn't; they said it would not run like they wanted. The statement in TFA:

Stage Manager is a fully integrated experience that provides all-new windowing experience that is incredibly fast and responsive and allow users to run 8 apps simultaneously across iPad and an external display with up to 6K resolution. Delivering this experience with the immediacy users expect from iPad's touch-first experience requires large internal memory, incredibly fast storage, and flexible external display I/O, all of which are delivered by iPads with the M1 chip.

Apple said the M1 chip is needed to run Stage Manager with the level of performance they want. All this whining and demanding proof is irrelevant to what Apple said they did.

Because guess what: one way or another, even if through hardware acceleration, it CAN run Stage Manager.

So? Apple never said it couldn't. Proving taht it could doesn't change teh fact Apple aid they felt the experience was not up to their standards.

Adding hardware to make it work would just validate apple's choice.

Except they wouldn't. In any scenario, you either need a cable or a Bluetooth device to connect to your external monitor. Hardware acceleration can either be integrated into a special cable OR such a dongle quite nicely.

and no one whined about dongles when Apple dropped USB-A for USB-C and people all of a sudden need to use dongles to attach cables or devices that they would have had to attach anyway?

That's sarcasm, BTW.

And don't even dare say a hardware accelerated cable ISN'T possible, because not only it can, but it has been done before.

Never said it wasn't; just that Apple decided not to offer such a solution, much as they chose to make Stage Manager M1 only.

Simply becasue a company makes a decision on what features to offer doesn't mean they couldn't have added it to other devices; just that they chose not to.

Your demand for proof doesn't make Apple's statement or reasoning less true; nor prove some nefarious reaason wh they chose what they did.

It’s funny but I posted a time stamp of MaxTech’s video 10:20 I believe on the developer flags showing A-X/Z had support for this feature and was dropped. Some keep asking for proof Apple made a business decision over technical one… there it is.

Apple never claimed they did either; people here are making those claims. Apple simply claimed Stage Manager on non-M1 chips did not meet their standards. They then gave reasons why the M1 runs it well.

Sure. Go on. Tell me what about the Pro makes it a tablet?

I can carry it around and use it like, well, a tablet.

The screen size and battery are the reasons I consider the mini the best tablet on the market.

For you. For me it is way to small to be useful.

Look, I agree that every tool has value in the right situation.

That's why best is subective, at best.

But of all the iPads the mini has the most flexibility. You can use mini for illustration and hold it over your head, but you can't do that with the 12.9 pro.

You might not but I col=uld, and teh larger screen makes what I drew easier to see.

The larger weight of the pros might offer some specific improvements but in doing so causes it to not be able to do other things. That's how I come to the conclusion that the mini is the best tablet.

For you. What can't the iPad Pro do that a Mini can; other than fit into a smaller bag?

The 2020 pros will still get iPadOS16. The real issue with the iPads is the same issue with the iPhones. Apple doesn't make choosing between devices comparable. They shouldn't be releasing a handful of models with so many differences in hardware. They need to make 2022 iPads, and all of them be the same except for the screen. Same battery life, same processor, same storage, etc.

Why? Different devices have different use cases and target markets. Your argument is like saying all Macs should use the M1 chip just like the Air does.

Just let the user decide what size screen they want. If they can't fit an M1 in a mini, don't put it in the Pro. If they want a lower-cost device, just sell the last-years device at a reduced price.

That's why Apple differentiates products by capability - to meet user wants. Hobbling a device to the lowest common denominator would be a stupid business decision.

What would you call the massive “You can use your Pro as a Laptop!” campaign?

You can. I have. Does my MBP do more? Sure? Is it always the best solution for the circumstances? No. Can everyone use the iPad as a Laptop? No Does that negate the statement it can be used as a laptop? no.

Flies act on instinct, evolution and biological function, not logic or preference.

Biology and evolution create preferences.

 

[Mr. Dee]

Don’t be silly. Your mac will slow down when pushed because that’s how operating systems designed like that work. They time slice and try to give every program running equal priority. Inevitably when the system runs out of memory (either ram or swap file temp memory) it slows.

I’ve been running these Os’s for decades. Stop pretending.

Stop pulling non-sense out of thin air. OS X at its core has pre-emptive multitasking and memory management since it’s inception. It’s the core reason Apple even bought NeXTStep. iOS itself can’t even be used to develop apps, something a Mac from 12 years can do and publish to any platform today. The fact that a 2017 MacBook Pro, which a M1 iPad Pro beats in performance scores can use Stage Manager while a 2017 or an iPad as recent as 2020 can’t shows how ridiculous this really is.

 

[dk001]

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You can. I have. Does my MBP do more? Sure? Is it always the best solution for the circumstances? No. Can everyone use the iPad as a Laptop? No Does that negate the statement it can be used as a laptop? no.


…

I tried.
As an engineer the lack of proper tools and desktop level apps made that a no.
Would have been cool if it had worked.

 

[Joe Dohn]

Apple never said it wouldn't; they said it would not run like they wanted. The statement in TFA:

Stage Manager is a fully integrated experience that provides all-new windowing experience that is incredibly fast and responsive and allow users to run 8 apps simultaneously across iPad and an external display with up to 6K resolution. Delivering this experience with the immediacy users expect from iPad's touch-first experience requires large internal memory, incredibly fast storage, and flexible external display I/O, all of which are delivered by iPads with the M1 chip.

I see. So, Apple's new strategy is to disqualify unhappy users by trying to somehow discredit them.
But this strategy is not good for users and for Apple itself in the long run.

And according to you, I'm supposed to believe Apple's statement because "they said so", and because Stage Manager won't be "fast enough", even though Mr. Dee just confirmed the 2017 Macbook Pro can run Stage Manager just fine.

I find it very funny that both in this forum, and now, in Rene Ritchie's YouTube channel, they are going with a "break the illusion" argument, in a very coordinated way. But that's just me.

All I know is that this strategy will just make unhappy users even more unhappy, just to satisfy the vanity of a few CEOs.

 

[Ashbash75]

Or wait till the wall garden’s gate have been opened by law. Either way it’s your choice as I am also awaiting to install Kodi through its website.

Yeah, I've thinking that too but I want to see if I can change the user agent in safari so I can get a 100% desktop browsing experience like on my mac.

 

[AlexMac89]

Sure. Go on. Tell me what about the Pro makes it a tablet?

If you need me to tell you how an iPad Pro is a tablet, then you are clearly no longer arguing in good faith.

Obviously the iPad Pro is a tablet. And that you want or need someone to justify or explain that to you is hilariously pathetic and absurd. Not gonna happen.

 

[jlc1978]

I tried.
As an engineer the lack of proper tools and desktop level apps made that a no.

Of course, which is why I said it won't for some. Not having the apps you need and the performance required to do work limits any device's usefulness.

Would have been cool if it had worked.

Yea, I'd like to see the iPad get more powerful apps. Right now I'd settle for feature parity between iPad/MacOS/Windows Office365.

I see. So, Apple's new strategy is to disqualify unhappy users by trying to somehow discredit them.

They're not trying to discredit anyone. They simply gave their reasons.

But this strategy is not good for users and for Apple itself in the long run.

And according to you, I'm supposed to believe Apple's statement because "they said so", and because Stage Manager won't be "fast enough", even though Mr. Dee just confirmed the 2017 Macbook Pro can run Stage Manager just fine.

A 2017 MBP is not a 2020 iPad Pro in terms of architecture nor memory.

I find it very funny that both in this forum, and now, in Rene Ritchie's YouTube channel, they are going with a "break the illusion" argument,

Because that is what Apple said; despite some people claiming Apple said something else
.

in a very coordinated way. But that's just me.

Fine. Not everything is some big conspiracy to me

All I know is that this strategy will just make unhappy users even more unhappy, just to satisfy the vanity of a few CEOs.

99% of iPad users are not likely to care. They wil simply go on using their iPad with OS16 and not worry about teh tiny fraction of users whining about some random feature.

 

[phrehdd]

I mean, I guess EGA is reasonable

Hah. Nah we had higher resolution back then but thanks for the chortle here.

 

[johnhackworth]

"Delivering this experience with the immediacy users expect from iPad's touch-first experience requires large internal memory, incredibly fast storage, and flexible external display I/O, all of which are delivered by iPads with the M1 chip."

A very carefully worded statement. It describes why the M1 can support Stage Manager - it doesn't say that other chips couldn't also support Stage Manager.

"Calculated honesty is a stiletto" - Marcus Aurelius

 

[I7guy]

I see. So, Apple's new strategy is to disqualify unhappy users by trying to somehow discredit them.
But this strategy is not good for users and for Apple itself in the long run.

That strategy is exactly why apple is where it is today.

And according to you, I'm supposed to believe Apple's statement because "they said so", and because Stage Manager won't be "fast enough", even though Mr. Dee just confirmed the 2017 Macbook Pro can run Stage Manager just fine.

Yes.

I find it very funny that both in this forum, and now, in Rene Ritchie's YouTube channel, they are going with a "break the illusion" argument, in a very coordinated way. But that's just me.

We’ll see.

All I know is that this strategy will just make unhappy users even more unhappy, just to satisfy the vanity of a few CEOs.

I do not believe that. But apple cannot satisfy 100% of its customers and shouldn’t try.

 

[Joe Dohn]

That strategy is exactly why apple is where it is today.

Would you mind telling us more about it?

 

[I7guy]

Would you mind telling us more about it?

Nothing to tell. I was agreeing with your analysis. So maybe tell us more about your thoughts.

 

[ediks]

 

[4jasontv]

If you need me to tell you how an iPad Pro is a tablet, then you are clearly no longer arguing in good faith.

Obviously the iPad Pro is a tablet. And that you want or need someone to justify or explain that to you is hilariously pathetic and absurd. Not gonna happen.

It's not really a tablet any more than an Apple Watch is a tablet. It's a laptop. Do you want to know why there is no "MacBook"? It's because the iPad Pro is the new MacBook.

 

[4jasontv]

Why? Different devices have different use cases and target markets. Your argument is like saying all Macs should use the M1 chip just like the Air does.

You should be able to get the M1, M2, M1 P/M/U in any form factor. Apple messes this up across their entire product line. There is no reason someone shouldn't be able to get an MBA with 128 GB of ram. Just because a larger device can handle a larger battery or a hotter CPU doesn't mean it should have it.

 

[Tubamajuba]

Apple saved Promotion screens for the second generation iPad Pro, which meant my six month old, $750 iPad Pro didn't get one of the defining features of the Pros. Yet here I am still happily using it. When Apple released the iPhone 5 with airDrop, my one year old, $650 4S didn't get that core iOS feature.

The devices you mention didn't physically have the hardware necessary for those new features. 2018-2020 iPad Pros have all the necessary hardware for the features that have been brought up here.

 

[darngooddesign]

The devices you mention didn't physically have the hardware necessary for those new features. 2018-2020 iPad Pros have all the necessary hardware for the features that have been brought up here.

According to Apple they didn't have the necessary hardware to run Stage Manager well. And if it doesn't run well then Apple gets to hear a bunch of "Your update slowed down my iPad" comments.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Rene really needs to just get hired on at Apple

Bring the bird into the nest

 

[4jasontv]

According to Apple they didn't have the necessary hardware to run Stage Manager well. And if it doesn't run well then Apple gets to hear a bunch of "Your update slowed down my iPad" comments.

It might be true, but it doesn't seem like it, and Apple doesn't get to be taken at their word since they have a personal interest in the feature needing new hardware.

 

[Tubamajuba]

According to Apple they didn't have the necessary hardware to run Stage Manager well. And if it doesn't run well then Apple gets to hear a bunch of "Your update slowed down my iPad" comments.

Nope. All the necessary hardware is physically present in the 2018-2020 iPad Pros, unless Apple really wants us to believe that graphical multitasking can't run on devices with the power of a modern desktop.