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Here's why I don't buy it. Stage Manager is supported on Intel Macs with MacOS Ventura. And the lowest supported Mac is a 12" MacBook from 2017. And that runs a POTATO of a fanless piece of crap Intel Core m3 CPU with horrible graphics and overall performance.

And yet that somehow can run Stage Manager, while also running an entire full desktop MacOS.

An A12Z can run circles around that machine.
ram - 5 apps one stage. 5 stages - 25 apps ?
Somemore , why macos need even one.. at all. useless.
 
Selling a device they knew they couldn't support for a decade is nefarious. Apple markets iPads as computers. Computers should see more than one February 29th.
So you're saying iPad 2020's aren't going to see iPadOS 17, 18, 19, 20, and 21?
 
And it's all just because Apple decided to make up some "technical" BS excuses that made people question the decision more
Correct. It’s due to people weighing in in the issue and being positional on all sides.
Imo Apple should've just maintained status quo by staying silent (eg Apple didn't bother providing excuses why they dropped iphone 7 from iOS 16). Then people would e just shrugged it off after a while. Now, it only invited more scrutiny.
Let people scrutinize. Scrutiny is good.
 
Here's why I don't buy it. Stage Manager is supported on Intel Macs with MacOS Ventura. And the lowest supported Mac is a 12" MacBook from 2017. And that runs a POTATO of a fanless piece of crap Intel Core m3 CPU with horrible graphics and overall performance.

And yet that somehow can run Stage Manager, while also running an entire full desktop MacOS.

An A12Z can run circles around that machine.
And people in this thread, keep ingesting Apples excuse and regurgitating it. Apple knows they could not drop 2017 MacBook Pro’s because there are probably more in existence than M1 Macs combined. I suspect many who bought the 2016 MacBook Pro’s immediately got rid of that troubled model and upgraded to 2017 models for some peace of mind.

My excuse is, this is not the end of the world anyway, but Apple could have at least given older iPads a concession like a persistent Dock on screen. That could have been a good trade off.
 
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It's there and disabled with a feature flag

This is not unusual for a beta. As a software engineer, I put these types of flags for every feature I implemented, mostly for testing purposes for me and for QA. Remember after the fiasco of iOS 14 where its instablity forced a testing change at Apple where they decided to silo all testing? That required QA to isolate features. The way to do that is to turn off other features so a single feature can be tested in isolation.

Just because it's present in the software doesn't mean it's a good idea to turn it on for unsupported hardware. You're likely to see a ton of out of memory errors that pop up every quarter second to the point where you want to throw your iPad out the window.

Those flags exist because it wouldn't require a software update to enable/disable a feature. You can just set a plist entry and turn things on and off. Don't expect those flags to still be there when the software leaves beta.
 
Since Stage Manager drives external displays too, basically turning one iPad into two since it isn’t just mirroring, it doesn’t surprise me they want an M1 to do it
 
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As a 2020 IPad Pro user I did try to “Think Different” and adapt my IPP as my laptop, or as much as I could. Didn’t work.
It is concerning moving forward as I look at my 1+ year old IPP and find Apple saying “We are adding new “pro” capabilities but won’t allow it on prior gen hardware because of [insert Marketing Reason here]”.
This is why the enterprise market is still majority windows and Linux, as they at least have stable and long term support channels (long term meaning more than 10 years and clear software support roadmap, not Apple's arbitrary ~5-years-but-sometimes-we-decided-less).
 
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If 2020 iPads aren't seeing the full iPadOS 16, I am not confident they will get the full version of future OSes either.
Next year, the A9 and A10 based ipads would probably be dropped. That leaves the A12 based ipads another 2 years of life from now.
 
So you're saying iPad 2020's aren't going to see iPadOS 17, 18, 19, 20, and 21?
They would get iPadOS 17, but 18 onward is probably up in the air. By then, the A12X is more than 5 years old already, (and the A12Z is just the A12X with an extra core enabled). So won't be surprised those ipads got dropped by iPadOS 18 or 19.
 
How many people on this forum are software engineers or have a deep understanding of the technical differences between M1 and A series chips?

Seems we have a bunch of talk but nobody presenting evidence it would work well on older iPads. Not sure how a non-M1 iPad could drive a high res external display that essentially gives you a second desktop, instead of just mirroring
 
Here's why I don't buy it. Stage Manager is supported on Intel Macs with MacOS Ventura. And the lowest supported Mac is a 12" MacBook from 2017. And that runs a POTATO of a fanless piece of crap Intel Core m3 CPU with horrible graphics and overall performance.

And yet that somehow can run Stage Manager, while also running an entire full desktop MacOS.

An A12Z can run circles around that machine.
Yup, and the storage speed excuse won't fly either as the ipad is already on desktop class nvme storage, like the Intel Macs. The decision is clearly marketing and financial, to boost sales as this year will be rough with all the shortages and inflation.

This is why I said that if Apple were truly honest about their reason, simply show it to us how bad it would run on the previous gen ipads. Apple should've been testing these ipads running alpha or beta version of the OS. Be transparent, and it will give more weight to the claim. Now, it only put more distrust as we all are starting to see the possibility of the excuse being a simple BS.
 
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How many people on this forum are software engineers or have a deep understanding of the technical differences between M1 and A series chips?

Seems we have a bunch of talk but nobody presenting evidence it would work well on older iPads. Not sure how a non-M1 iPad could drive a high res external display that essentially gives you a second desktop, instead of just mirroring
The one making the so called technical reasons are Apple. So it's on Apple to actually show hard evidence of their claim. Only Apple can show it as no consumer would be able to have that feature enabled on the previous gen ipads.
 
No one is asking Stage Manager to work with 6K external displays.

I mean iPad Air A14 can only output to 4K.
So you are asking Apple developers to create a version of Stage Manager just for older iPads that would lack the external monitor support? Remember, this is more than mirroring, it’s a second independent desktop. That’s a big ask considering the speed of Apple’s software release cycles
 
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The one making the so called technical reasons are Apple. So it's on Apple to actually show hard evidence of their claim. Only Apple can show it as no consumer would be able to have that feature enabled on the previous gen ipads.
No, they don’t have to do anything. They decided to only release it for M1 iPads and that’s it. They don’t have to do anything else
 
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So you are asking Apple developers to create a version of Stage Manager just for older iPads that would lack the external monitor support? Remember, this is more than mirroring, it’s a second independent desktop. That’s a big ask considering the speed of Apple’s software release cycles
It took them three releases of macOS to get full-screen multi-monitor support.
 
I think a lot of people are just going through the stages of grief for a cool feature, one that’s legitimately awesome (been rocking it for a few days). Sure, I get the disappointment. But endlessly arguing over it is pointless. The decision was made, and they won’t change their minds.
 
I think a lot of people are just going through the stages of grief for a cool feature, one that’s legitimately awesome (been rocking it for a few days). Sure, I get the disappointment. But endlessly arguing over it is pointless. The decision was made, and they won’t change their minds.
This is much more disrespectful than I think you intended.
 
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So you are asking Apple developers to create a version of Stage Manager just for older iPads that would lack the external monitor support? Remember, this is more than mirroring, it’s a second independent desktop. That’s a big ask considering the speed of Apple’s software release cycles
Do older ipads run a special version of iPadOS? No, it's the same OS. So why do they need to create a special version of stage manager? Per Apple's own statement, the issue is simply performance, that older ipads lack the performance required compare to the M1, not some issue needing special version. That's Apple's own words.
 
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