I'm sure Stage Manager could work on non M1 iPads but the number of apps that could run simultaneously would be more restricted than Apple would like.
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Apple Explains Why Stage Manager is Limited to M1 iPads in New Statement
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“End of support”? bro we’re talking about the 2020 iPad Pro here, less than a year ago that was the most expensive iPad they sold and now they’re saying “it isn’t powerful enough” 🤣
Yes agree with everything you say, you posted whilst i was typing my post
Key being that they would like. No sense in letting the user get what they can out of their existing devices.
That chip was paired with 16GB of RAM and ram, the CPU ran at a higher frequency and had its own fan and heatsink.
Hardly. They drop support for 1 feature and support everything else. It’s not like they aren’t releasing iPadOS 16 at all for them.
What a lame excuse of Apple, they simply don’t want to invest a bit more of resources to make it work properly on older iPads, it’s called lazy programming and purely based on business strategy. The older iPads would be able to run it, just like the Intel Macs, too.
But yeah when you run out of ideas hardware wise, you have to invent senseless software limitations and try to drag people to stores that way.
Just like they decided to drop the iPhone 7 support for iOS16, despite…
E.g. look at what you can do with FreeBSD/Linux (+ Compiz) on 15years old far less capable hardware with crapy shared memory Intel GMA Graphics and uncountable of Windows running at same time.
Do they really want to make us believe that 1-2ys old iPads are not capable of displaying a few skewed thumbnails with downscaled Apps? Sorry Apple, in that case the coding skills of your Devs and your Metal API just sucks.
Anyway, this was probably my last iPad, I use it for drawing, a bit of couch 3d concept sculpting and tech notes. Since MS fixed the Surface 8 Pen Jitter I’m thinking about getting me one, it runs a proper OS and does all this and more just fine.
But yeah when you run out of ideas hardware wise, you have to invent senseless software limitations and try to drag people to stores that way.
Just like they decided to drop the iPhone 7 support for iOS16, despite…
- The iPhone 7 devices use the A10 Fusion, a chip that also powered iPads that are supported by iOS 16.
E.g. look at what you can do with FreeBSD/Linux (+ Compiz) on 15years old far less capable hardware with crapy shared memory Intel GMA Graphics and uncountable of Windows running at same time.
Do they really want to make us believe that 1-2ys old iPads are not capable of displaying a few skewed thumbnails with downscaled Apps? Sorry Apple, in that case the coding skills of your Devs and your Metal API just sucks.
Anyway, this was probably my last iPad, I use it for drawing, a bit of couch 3d concept sculpting and tech notes. Since MS fixed the Surface 8 Pen Jitter I’m thinking about getting me one, it runs a proper OS and does all this and more just fine.
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You aren’t making the point you think you are. The question is why? The answer, they gave, is crap.
Apple, the experience was **** on iPads with 4GB of RAM (slower memory speed too). We didn’t think it was much better for the 3 guys that bought 1TB units with 6GB of ram, especially as the storage was 50% slower.
The A12 is a 4 year old cpu… the 2020 iPad was known to be the iPad not to get, as the update from the 2018 were LiDAR and more cores.
Ok Stage Manager doesn’t work due to lack of RAM I get that, although I still think its BS and a way of forcing upgrades. However true external display support there is no excuse for not properly supporting that even if its a simple case of one app on one screen and another on the other screen with no fancy window manager.
Far less capable laptops have been doing proper 2nd screen support for many years now so there is no reason the older iPad Pro’s cannot do this properly. This is an iPadOS release from the bean counters not the engineers.
Far less capable laptops have been doing proper 2nd screen support for many years now so there is no reason the older iPad Pro’s cannot do this properly. This is an iPadOS release from the bean counters not the engineers.
Then I also have the right to say that Apple’s statement is purely BS.
If Apple doesn’t want to be honest to what they themselves claimed, then I have the choice not to believe what they said. I have the right to come up with the conclusion that the motivation here is financial, not technical.Can’t believe people are falling for this BS explanation from Apple. LOL
Against the last comment about the DTK, yeah you have a 8/8 A12Z running in a Mac mini 16GB RAM/512GB SSD running a beta of Big Sur with full multitasking, fluid movable windows. So a 4th gen A12Z based iPad Pro should be able to run Stage Manager under iPadOS 16 you would think if it could run Big Sur just fine. Even with this attempt to broaden iPadOS to be multitasking, seeing that example of 12.9" iPad Pro using Stage Manager with a Studio Display is a lot of money just for that IMHO.
What about display scaling to fit more content onto the screen? Why is it limited to M1s? Does it really require so much computing power that only M1 can provide?
Yeah, but basically what they say is that most iOS devices are underpowered when it comes to memory.Apple knew this would be a point that was going to be brought up and surely even had this statement and response ready.
Apple challenged themselves with their new M1 chip to push iPadOS to a new limit and achieved it.
Stage Manager looks great. And true external monitor support, cmon.
I am in no way interested in stage manager, not even on my Mac. I always liked my apps to be full screen instead of this overlapping clutter. Gives me focus. And Windows has always been the OS with the better window management (snapping, switching etc - so fast with a few key clicks or mouse movements)
But it annoys me that even on my new iPad (not pro and not M1) I can too often sense lack of memory when switching between apps and I am probably not even close to what some try to do. This part of the experience has always annoyed me on iOS.
I’m not disappointed. Stage manager isn’t enough to make me want to upgrade my 2018 iPad pros.
16GB of RAM along with a CPU cooler and fan kinda helps. Same people moaning about this were the same that said Apple could do more with the M1 chip on iPadOS. 🤣
When M1 iPads were released, there was a lot of talk in the theme of: "M1 is excessive for iPads, don't need it, my 2018 serves me more than enough, etc etc."
Are the same people now upset they don't get the latest features for their old iPads? Sounds absurd in my view. Of course newest features are also tied to the newest architectures. It makes sense they focus only on the M-series for new features. Your A-processor series iPads serve you well enough, you don't need anything new.
Are the same people now upset they don't get the latest features for their old iPads? Sounds absurd in my view. Of course newest features are also tied to the newest architectures. It makes sense they focus only on the M-series for new features. Your A-processor series iPads serve you well enough, you don't need anything new.
Exactly. That way everyone gets something new while people still get reasons to upgrade.
But nah, lets force them to upgrade to get any subtantial features apart from a weather app and incomplete lock screen. Might as well make iPadOS upgrades paid again, actually Apple don't even think about it.
Given that my very first PC with Windows 3.1 did support resizable windows almost 30 years ago (a feature even older Macs also supported even long before that date), this statement that 2020 iPad Pros do not have enough memory to support such a desktop does not speak highly about the efficient use of modern hardware.
This makes multi-tasking from 30 years ago on machines with magnitudes less RAM/storage/CPU look like miracle...
They should have allowed the feature on non-M1s but just limited the number of apps allowed at once.