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Apple Exploring New Glass Panel MacBook Keyboards That Could End Sticky Key Problems
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I was specifically talking about this new patented technology. Do you want a partially touch screen/glass covered keyboard? Really?
Optimally I would prefer something in the middle of the 2018 and 2015 keyboards, without the touch-bar, and spill resistant (like Lenovo's and IBM ThinkPad's of the past) which are highly reliable and easily replaceable (I.E not needing an entire top case replacement just because of one broken key).
don't even need to be previous generation, the Magic Keyboard 30% less thick design would be perfect.
Indeed. And drop the touch bar! Or at least make it optional, while offering the same specs with and without it!
I would say no, my guess is it could be the 2020 redesign if it’s used at all. They patent a lot of things that aren’t used.
Perhaps. I could never get over the tiny touchpad with mechanical buttons, though.
To be honest, I'd be curious, but skeptical. If an all glass design is able to produce an impenetrable design that retains tactility, I'm all for giving it a try. I didn't think I'd like the butterfly keys at first. I hated them so much I carried a Bluetooth keyboard around with me when I couldn't hook up one of my mechanical keyboards at my office to it. I hated them that much and yet it is now my preferred laptop keyboard. With some exceptions, I really don't like scissor switches. They make my hands hurt.
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I don't see what's so great about the current ThinkPad's keyboard. I've heard so many people rave about it so I finally got my hands on one and it just seems like any other squishy scissor board. Are there higher end Thinkpads with better keyboards? I don't remember which model I tried. It was one they sold at Costco so it wouldn't be one of the premium models.
On the other hand, the Classic IBM Thinkpad was a joy to type on. When I was badly needing to upgrade to my current 2016 MBP, Lenovo re-released an updated version of the Classic Thinkpad with the classic keyboard. If they actually released a fully speced version of that instead of a souvenir throwback edition, I might be typing from that laptop now.
do whatever, just make it better. the only good thing about post '15 keyboards is that larger crumbs can't get through...
It’s nice to see some positive posts for a change, it seems that just lately this forum as turned into a Apple hating place
I do think a glass keyboard is the next logical step, the Touch Bar was only the beginning I think.
I don't see a point in being negative when it comes to things I have zero control over. I ultimately think Apple will create some sort of iOS hybrid clam-shell device that is essentially two iPad Pro's put together with an innovative hinge and magnets to keep the screen from touching. Keyboard/trackpad combo that adapts to whatever app you are using (like the touch bar).
Some of us rest our fingers on the keys while typing, and maybe not always on the home-keys at all times. It makes you wonder how Apple will get around that registering as an input...
This.
I recently tried typing a few paragraphs in Word on the latest Air in a store's showroom to get a feel for the keyboard and I honestly couldn't imagine typing on that for extended periods of time, be it documents or code. I've seen reviewers complaining that their fingers hurt after a while of typing and thought they were greatly exaggerating but after giving it a go myself, I can definitely see where they're coming from.
That would be awesome, I would buy that! I wonder what they will do for the MacBook Pro line up this year and into 2020? It will be interesting. Maybe just a spec bump for this year, last year was a nice update, they put quad core in the 13” MBP, Hex core in the 15” gave True Tone on the display and the Touch Bar, 32GB Ram option and the T2 chip.
I just read this story and I already know my post isn't going to add anything to the chorus other than to reinforce what everybody else is saying. I ***hate*** the loud, shallow travel current MacBook Pro keyboards so much I have to use an external keyboard. I never use the touch bar because it's just too far away from the external keyboard to be practical. This new keyboard idea might make sense for an iPad, but OMG what a bone-crushingly mental idea for a laptop. I would gladly give up some of Apple's precious thinness for a real 2015-style laptop keyboard. If anybody at Apple is listening then please stop this keyboard trend. I'm all for coming up with different ways to make good, functional keyboards - Think Different, not Stupid.
...until you drop it and your keyboard will shatter like an iToy screen.
Yes, please keep reinventing the keyboard. Meanwhile we are stuck with a less than 4k screen, no num-pad on a 15" device, no NFC reader (smartcards), no proper Displayport Protocol support on intel GPUs, completely fail-designed cooling solutions (especially Air 2018),...
I don't know who is responsible for prioritizing (failing to) these things at Apple, but that person needs to be fired.
I don't know who is responsible for prioritizing (failing to) these things at Apple, but that person needs to be fired.
I think they are progressively moving their entire product line away from anything anyone wants other than the folks in Apple's marketing team.
I might be the only one, but I prefer the butterfly keys over the previous(2015 models) keyboard. I can type so much faster with less errors...
However I do not like the sound while I’m typing, that’s my only issue with it.
I'm on record for saying this for years. TouchBar is the future of what Apple thinks is the best interface. Following Apple's last 10 years of design
Then introduce a glass panel with back lit fake buttons and tout how amazing haptic is, how buttons can be customized to the app you're using or keyboard you need internationally and make the surface of the notebook 100% touch like an iPad.
Users can still connect a wireless keyboard if they want but the is the future.
I don't agree with it but that's Apple over the last 10 years. They continue to remove buttons, make them thinner and add more touch surface area.
- Remove all moving parts. If it moves, it can be broken
- Add the amount of touch surfaces to everything (TouchBar, comically large trackpad)
- Make buttons that are present as low as possible with as little key travel as possible to ween users off the need for a moving button
- Improve Haptic incrementally and make it mimic a button push on every surface so good that the user no longer needs a button
- Get them used to touch through a degradation of key travel and feel and the growing encroaching of touch surfaces
Then introduce a glass panel with back lit fake buttons and tout how amazing haptic is, how buttons can be customized to the app you're using or keyboard you need internationally and make the surface of the notebook 100% touch like an iPad.
Users can still connect a wireless keyboard if they want but the is the future.
I don't agree with it but that's Apple over the last 10 years. They continue to remove buttons, make them thinner and add more touch surface area.
I really just threw up in my mouth a bit even reading this.
The Mac keyboard team need to go. Now.
The Mac keyboard team need to go. Now.
Apple is always on the quest to cut costs and maximize profits, no surprise there every company does, but apple is doing it to the detriment of their product line
A glass keyboard with raised “keys” to provide fingers a tactile sense of location and a Taptic Engine to provide the tactile feedback could get to a place that feels very much like typing on a mechanical keyboard.
Take the Magic Trackpad. It feels indistinguishable from a mechanical trackpad. The Taptic Engine feels so much like mechanical feedback that it tricks your brain into thinking that the trackpad is moving down when you press it. It’s such a weird feeling when the trackpad is off and it doesn’t do anything.
Real key travel may be zero but a well tuned Taptic Engine response could actually make it feel like the keys are travelling, even more so than the butterfly keyboard which already has so little travel. Our brains don’t process reality entirely as it is, our brains fill in missing information based on other inputs and our expected reality.
I’m excited to see it Apple can pull this off.
Take the Magic Trackpad. It feels indistinguishable from a mechanical trackpad. The Taptic Engine feels so much like mechanical feedback that it tricks your brain into thinking that the trackpad is moving down when you press it. It’s such a weird feeling when the trackpad is off and it doesn’t do anything.
Real key travel may be zero but a well tuned Taptic Engine response could actually make it feel like the keys are travelling, even more so than the butterfly keyboard which already has so little travel. Our brains don’t process reality entirely as it is, our brains fill in missing information based on other inputs and our expected reality.
I’m excited to see it Apple can pull this off.
My initial response to this is--like most people--this is a terrible idea, and Apple would be best served just going back to the 2015 keyboard.
But I can imagine a situation in which we get at least some tactile feedback via taptic engines--like on the (kind of magical) trackpads on the current version of the Macbook.
Still probably a terrible idea, still probably terrible and fatiguing to type on, but maybe an improvement over the current low-ebb keyboards.
But I can imagine a situation in which we get at least some tactile feedback via taptic engines--like on the (kind of magical) trackpads on the current version of the Macbook.
Still probably a terrible idea, still probably terrible and fatiguing to type on, but maybe an improvement over the current low-ebb keyboards.
Apple, stop making stuff thinner, thats so 90's metric. The current thickness it's ok, now we want them to survive a dust particle, thats all.