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Apple Expo 2003 Pictures

Originally posted by lewdvig
There are lots of good reasons to make an Altivec G3. It has better thermal characteristics than the G5, smaller die, fewer transitors, lower cost to manufacture. They will milk this design as long as they can.
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Perhaps. But it would take development work to make an Altivec G3, and if that same development work was put into the G5 or G6, they could get the same advantages with a much better processor.

Originally posted by lewdvig
And from what I have read IBM is skipping the 90nm process for the G5. They are going straight to 60.
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That was on Page 2 for a reason. In any case, they wouldn't skip to 60 if they wouldn't get it almost as quickly as they could get 90. And a 60 nm G5 (or G6) would be even better for PowerBooks and iBooks.

Originally posted by lewdvig
Apple will need some product differentiation between the Pro and Consumer lineup. G4 (if the next 750 is indeed called a 'G4' by Apple) versus G5.
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Apple strives to have one and only one processor platform. They had that with the G3, and they'll get it with the G5 or G6. It's far more simple and effective. The only reason they didn't have it with the G4 was Motorola's constant shortages. With IBM, I think they'll go back to the single processor platform. Makes it easier to have a unified architecture, for sure.

Originally posted by lewdvig
Thermal characteristics are as much a function of good design as process these days. The thermal characteristics of NVidia's NV30 part were horrible despite it being based on a 130nm process (vs 150nm).
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IBM is good design. Yes, they could make the G3 into a killer Altivec platform. But they could just as easily make the G5 into the kind of killer chip that can go all across the line.
 
Originally posted by Gyroscope
I am expecting PB's to go G5. And IBooks to go 7457.

Well doesn't it, just make a sense. :)
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Just to add some more ridiculousness into this thread, what are the odds of the PowerBook and iBook range being condensed into a single line?

Yep, just like I thought, zero :rolleyes:
 
How long b4 the kickoff... its 12:30pm Aus East. Std. Time?

Thanks...

We need some sort of timer happenin..
 
I'm not sure if this has been covered yet in this thread - (cos it will take me an age to read all 8 pages of it)

But - I believe we will see an entire refresh of the portable line up.

G4 iBooks with SuperDrive - which is no real announcement, we've already got them except they're Aluminium and called a PowerBook for some strange reason.

We can expect software from Apple to be written for G4 or above only. iDVD is already in that league.

iBooks need to be updated to G4 to keep up with these Apps and lower development costs of new software.

There is simply no market sense in keeping the G3 in one model.
 
Originally posted by xtekdiver
What's wrong with smoking drugs? I am waiting for my new PB so I can go to Amsterdam and get high (legally) and watch the Lord of the Rings on my 15.4" laptop. Gandalf fighting the Balrog is a rush! Am I right? You know what I speak.
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Sure I do dude :D

I also have another tip for you.

Try to watch French movie "City of Lost Childern" when high :D
 
Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Perhaps. But it would take development work to make an Altivec G3, and if that same development work was put into the G5 or G6, they could get the same advantages with a much better processor.
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But with an altivec G3 they would have the low end all the way to g5 covered.. it would have a smaller die and be cheaper than the G5 (as was already mentioned) and probably have lower power requirements than even a 90nm G5.

Besides I hardly think that dropping altivec into a g3 would be a huge drain on development resources, I would think that there is enough to go around.

Besides which they could capture a lot of the embedded market from Mot's g4 with it, in markets where a g5 might not be appropriate.

No need for one size fits all. I could see one in a fast, nice, cheap 750-based "g4" iBook down the road.
 
Originally posted by jettredmont
Cool! New emacs!

The question, though: Terminal-based, or full-on Aqua goodness? Retro, or futuristic mega-os-in-a-text-editor?

Those vi fools will be drooling all over themselves!
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My prediction- if they are G5s then we get emacs, to take advantage of the faster processor.. if 1.25 Ghz G4, we will probably still be stuck with vi.

Perhaps sj will unveil improvements and dub it "vi Extreme."
 
FYI emacs is already available in full Aqua goodness. All you need to do is compile it out of CVS. Whoops, looks like there's a build failure today though.

I've been using CVS from 2003-09-02 and it's been quite stable and very pretty.

(This is not the "emacs on aqua" variant that was around last year - that was Cocoa, this is Carbon and significantly less buggy)
 
Re: New PowerBooks are certainty

Originally posted by matrix3d
The following is my observations:
From Image DSC00801.JPG,E38S8575.JPG and E38S8573.JPG.
We can see that the black-sheet covered ad. is in exact front of the stage where Steve will give the Keynote. So this must be something noteworthy! What could it be? They didn't hide the new OS ad. iMac and G5s are all around the expo. No other options could be possibly fit that in. Don't tell me that's a Tablet Mac, or Mac-based PDA ;)
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G5 XServe's anyone?

I'd love a G5 PB, (make it Quad baby!) but I'd probably buy a speed-bumped AlBook G4.
 
Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Aha! But if enough people wait, there won't be any pent-up demand, so you can get one almost immediately.

Aha! But if you can get one almost immediately, there WILL be pent-up demand!

It's a paradox! Help me!
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No, here's the paradox:

If they release G4 Powerbooks, everyone will assume the G5 Powerbooks will come out in January. So, not wanting to buy the laptop with a chip on its way out, nobody buys the G4 Powerbook. Apple delays the release of the G5 because they haven't sold any of the massive G4 stock they built in anticipation of pent up demand for Powerbook updates.

"Ho!" the people say. "Look at this massive delay in the Powerbook update cycle! There must be something reaallly special in the works."

Now Powerbook sales really do fall flat. Apple can't release the new Powerbooks because they have so much of the G4's around. And they can't just tell people "We have G5 Powerbooks we're going to release once those G4's get bought." That would be counter productive. So they stay quiet, and the rumors get worse. Now there's people expecting G5 Powerbook updates this day, no this day, no this day. And there's a bunch of yahoos saying "G6 Powerbooks are coming! With optical audio in/out, Firewire 1600, and 8x DVD-RW's standard!"

And the cycling continues...
 
Originally posted by tizza
I was wondering, I assume all the shots must have been taken covertly with a mobile phone or something - surely you couldn't just walk around the Expo setup happily taking snaps!
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If you look at all the photos from 99mac.com you see a shot of the guy uploading the photos to his laptop, and he has a full size professional camera sitting next to him.

Although I guess having a picture of yourself with your camera kinda defies logic.

Mobile phone camera <LOL!> No mobile phone camera can take pictures of that quality.
 
People keep talking about an Altivec G3...
I could be wrong but it was my understanding that the difference between a G3 and a G4 was Altivec...
That would make any G3 with Altivec a G4, not a G3
 
Originally posted by Chaszmyr
People keep talking about an Altivec G3...
I could be wrong but it was my understanding that the difference between a G3 and a G4 was Altivec...
That would make any G3 with Altivec a G4, not a G3
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I've been saying g3 + altivec because I'm referring to IBM's 750 (g3) series vs mot's 75xx (g4) series, for no better reason than that seems to be how others here have been referring to them.. but it's true that apple will probably brand 750 plus altivec as "G4" (assuming it actually makes it into a mac) & it makes good sense to..
 
Originally posted by Chaszmyr
People keep talking about an Altivec G3...
I could be wrong but it was my understanding that the difference between a G3 and a G4 was Altivec...
That would make any G3 with Altivec a G4, not a G3
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Not quite.

There's more difference between G3 and G4 than just in altivec. G4 has much better FPU (derived from PPC 604x) and it's also SMP capable.

Okie dokie
 
Last what if for the night... and two hours to go.

What if the reason the 15" wasn't updated back in January, or April, or June - was they were spending all the extra effort re-tooling the motherboard and all internal guts to hold a G5?

Hmmmm.......

I know it sounds unlikely but what a great way to go to bed with sweet dreams.
 
Originally posted by Gyroscope
Not quite.

There's more difference between G3 and G4 than just in altivec. G4 has much better FPU (derived from PPC 604x) and it's also SMP capable.

Okie dokie
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Ah, but you are referring to the G3 that the G4 was sort of developed from. The current 750FX has as much in common with the early G3 as the current G4 does. From what I have read the 750GX will be SMP compatible.
 
Originally posted by beefstu01
If the PowerBook is released with a G5, I wouldn't be surprised in the least bit to see immediate availability, since no other computer would use the processors at the projected clock speeds.
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Jeez, I would be surprised. Wake up people. When has Apple ever announced a computer (not a peripheral) at a convention that was immediately shipping?

Not in a long time, and news from Motorola and IBM leads me to believe this time won't be any different. At the earliest, Apple will say the new PBs are shipping "by October," meaning in 6 weeks. And in truth, it could be December before you see yours.
 
Originally posted by beefstu01
Where did Apple release the G5? The WWD(eveloper)C. Basically, as I see it (which may not be right), Steve wanted to tell the developers that there's a new chip out there, and it's going to be used a lot more. You couldn't have the seminars to talk about optimization for the G5 if that processor didn't exist.
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Good point, which many people seem to have missed in G5 "delay" discussions. :rolleyes:
 
Lockboxes Revealed

I have firm reports that Al Gore has the G5 Powerbook in a lock box and that he is keeping the lock box safe for our future not to be opened until 2004. Don't be misled by those other lock boxes at the Apple Expo they are simply decoys.

Here are my last minute predicitions for the Expo...

G4 Powerbook upgrades across the line, with the new 15" PB finally released.
iTunes for Europe launch date announced/possibly released.
iTunes for Windows launch date announced.
iChatAV
upgraded iCal
Special edition iPod or iPod peripherals announced
And one more thing....new software program, possibly in the iOffice line.

It's fun to be a mac fanatic!
 
Originally posted by MacBandit
Those aren't accessories. They're personal grooming tools for nails etc..
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I must have been mislead by the image caption that read: "Nice iPod accessories from a French company."
 
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