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Apple Extends Non-Disclosure to App Store Rejection Letters
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Podcaster did NOT break the SDK rules. At least not that I've ever seen or heard. Apple is making it up as they go. Competitive with an Apple product is not an SDK rule.
Abusing an NDA to prevent people from knowing that Apple is rejecting applications is totally draconian and unacceptable.
Thats like suing people who complain that your product doesn't work.
Apple is seriously going off a deep end with this one, and they're digging deeper rather than face the music and do something reasonable.
I wish Steve Jobs would comment on this because this is seriously BAD for Apple, for the platform, for developers. I as a developer am being scared away from developing for Apple based on these developments. This is absurd.
And it's obvious you didn't read my post since I'm strongly critisizing Apple in it.
Strongly Critisizing Apple = Knee-Jerk Apologist?
I'm sorry, but that's a pretty big reading-Fail. Go back and read slower.
So then don't develop for the platform, no one is forcing you, go develop for Android, they are the opposite of what Apple is, open for anyone, that should interest you.
Uh...wait a sec
So...basically, if you get the Android phone from T-Mobile and you download a malicious application that sucks up a ton of bandwidth without you knowing it, T-Mobile will punish YOU and practically kill your service? WTF? That seems backwards....
So...basically, if you get the Android phone from T-Mobile and you download a malicious application that sucks up a ton of bandwidth without you knowing it, T-Mobile will punish YOU and practically kill your service? WTF? That seems backwards....
And this is a good thing... why? Please explain that to me. Imho, this type of thing doesn't benefit ANYONE. Even Apple.
Again, you never answered my questions in one of my previous posts. The problem was (in the case of Podcaster and the MailWrangler app) is that Apple wasn't consistent. Before or After.
I don't give a d*mn about the agreement. Imho, this is stuff that people should know.
Do you really side with Apple 100% like it seems like right now?
Sony felt the same way before they lost in the Rootkit debacle. Guess what, the rootkit stuff was IN the EULA. Guess what, Sony STILL LOST.
Poor example, a better example would be:
- Hey make bread and apples and we'll sell them in our store.
You make some bread and try to sell it to the store.
- Oh, sorry, we can't allow sale of this because it's Rye bread. We don't allow rye bread b/c we sell it already.
Ok, but where's it in the NDA?
- Oh, we just added it. Sorry, it duplicates functionality already.
What a minute, but you're selling green apples, but there are 100 other green apple types being sold.
- No comment.
Seriously. It's almost like they're trying to make Android look better. This is getting ridiculous.
Perhaps then...
You'd enjoy paying thousands for a Mac, and Apple decides if or not you can run certain apps on "their" OS?
The folly of your attempt to defend this has not been seen by me since the usenet days of famously sad apple apologist Joe Ragosta.
Every post you make attempting to defend this move on apple's part really makes me sad to be a Mac user.
I mean that honestly. I thought we were long since past those days.
Look at the logic here...a computer is MUCH more powerful, has MUCH more to exploit and is also internet connected.
Apple decides one day, hey, we're making a Photoshop Killer! (Except it isn't). On MacOSX v 11.0, we're implementing the AppStore *directly on the desktop*!!!
Now, only apps wrapped in (chuckle) "FairPlay" DRM will be allowed to run on the computer.
Well...except apps that do things we are doing...or want to do...or our friends in high places don't like...or weel, because the dude at the Rejectotron didn't get laid last night, he's on a tear...
You find this...acceptable?
You'd enjoy paying thousands for a Mac, and Apple decides if or not you can run certain apps on "their" OS?
The folly of your attempt to defend this has not been seen by me since the usenet days of famously sad apple apologist Joe Ragosta.
Every post you make attempting to defend this move on apple's part really makes me sad to be a Mac user.
I mean that honestly. I thought we were long since past those days.
Look at the logic here...a computer is MUCH more powerful, has MUCH more to exploit and is also internet connected.
Apple decides one day, hey, we're making a Photoshop Killer! (Except it isn't). On MacOSX v 11.0, we're implementing the AppStore *directly on the desktop*!!!
Now, only apps wrapped in (chuckle) "FairPlay" DRM will be allowed to run on the computer.
Well...except apps that do things we are doing...or want to do...or our friends in high places don't like...or weel, because the dude at the Rejectotron didn't get laid last night, he's on a tear...
You find this...acceptable?
Imagine if this ridiculous situation existed on the Mac.
"Sorry, Adobe. Photoshop encroaches on iPhoto. Banzored!"
"Sorry, Ableton. Live encroaches on Logic. Banzored!"
"Sorry, Mozilla. Firefox encroaches on Safari. Banzored!"
Koi Porn app for iPhone 3G CONFIRMED!
"Sorry, Adobe. Photoshop encroaches on iPhoto. Banzored!"
"Sorry, Ableton. Live encroaches on Logic. Banzored!"
"Sorry, Mozilla. Firefox encroaches on Safari. Banzored!"
I predict the #1 app in the Android Market store will be porn.Not that there's anything wrong with that I guess.
(and #2 will be Koi Pond)
arn
Koi Porn app for iPhone 3G CONFIRMED!
seems that apple's massive flash memory shipments are getting them premium prices...they must be getting premium prices on crack too nowadays...
Righty-o Apple. If you can just get people to stop talking about the problem there isn't really a problem!
Not that I think what Apple is doing is a good idea (from moral or long-term business standpoints) but NDAs generally cover communications related to the subject of the NDA. So it's pretty typical that the a rejection email like that would be covered by the developer NDA. Probably the emails were already covered and Apple is just reminding everyone (not that I remember the NDA at this point).
Apple needs to address the root problem:
People are developing apps that Apple doesn't want to carry in their store.
They can difuse the stiuation. Either:
1. Preapprove apps -- at least developers won't get stuck with their pants down.
2. Provide some kind of alternate store or alternative distribution channel for apps they don't want to sell. Would this be so bad Apple? The iTunes app store is always going to be the best, most desireable place to publish and buy apps. This would allow you to get a lot pickier about which apps make it to the App store so you can send the 100th flashlight app to the alt store.
Or both. It's your customers that will win, which really means the platform wins.
Not that I think what Apple is doing is a good idea (from moral or long-term business standpoints) but NDAs generally cover communications related to the subject of the NDA. So it's pretty typical that the a rejection email like that would be covered by the developer NDA. Probably the emails were already covered and Apple is just reminding everyone (not that I remember the NDA at this point).
Apple needs to address the root problem:
People are developing apps that Apple doesn't want to carry in their store.
They can difuse the stiuation. Either:
1. Preapprove apps -- at least developers won't get stuck with their pants down.
2. Provide some kind of alternate store or alternative distribution channel for apps they don't want to sell. Would this be so bad Apple? The iTunes app store is always going to be the best, most desireable place to publish and buy apps. This would allow you to get a lot pickier about which apps make it to the App store so you can send the 100th flashlight app to the alt store.
Or both. It's your customers that will win, which really means the platform wins.
There is something wrong with the average Apple user nowadays. They seem easily lead by 'news' reports portraying Apple as the 'bad guy', even though 9 times out of ten it is restrictions imposed upon Apple by an affiliate company, or sensible long term decision making that the short sighted, selfish and stupid fail to grasp.
That extra 7% market share didnt come from nowhere... say no more
thank god
thank you apple.
First for stopping these never ending comment wars everytime a developer disagrees with apple, it was getting totally out of hand and none of it was helping anyone, except to fuel apple-haters fire.
Second for just watch dogging for bs apps rather than putting caps on legitamet usage. I regularly have exceeded one gig a month with all legal programs (no netshare anymore) and not even streaming tunes.
thank you apple.
First for stopping these never ending comment wars everytime a developer disagrees with apple, it was getting totally out of hand and none of it was helping anyone, except to fuel apple-haters fire.
Second for just watch dogging for bs apps rather than putting caps on legitamet usage. I regularly have exceeded one gig a month with all legal programs (no netshare anymore) and not even streaming tunes.
It's pretty damning timing, isn't it?
The same day that Android opens up, a story breaks that Apple is closing things down even further. The comparison couldn't be more jarring!
Switch platforms then. That'll fix 'em. I don't understand the perpetually bashing crowd. If I thought of Apple they way some on these forums apparently do I wouldn't want to be their customer. On the other hand some people bitch about everything just to hear themselves bitch.
Not sure I really understand your point here - Symbian is in use on literally millions of phones worldwide (as is WM and PalmOS to a lesser extent) and all have a thriving third party software ecosystem with apps that can do anything on the device (Such as Skype, Windows Live Messenger, etc, etc). The only difference I can see is that with the App Store being Apple owned it has an inherently larger trust among users because they think they are automatically safe with apps that are in there...
Apple do claim to be able to kill rogue apps, but this would be retrospectively and a lot of damage could already have been done by a app. Imagine the following scenario for an app that claims to be an encrypted store for your bank details, card details etc.
It looks professionally developed and is free on the App Store. Within 6 months it could be in use on literally millions of iPhones and contain a veritable treasure trove of credit card details, bank details, PINs, etc. Then, one day six months down the line it decides to transmit these details over the network to a central server so they can be used by criminals.
Firstly, how would anyone actually know that their wizzy iPhone app was the cause of their identity theft problem to report it to Apple for the app to be shut down (and very few people would suspect it because they mistakenly believe Apple's control of the App store automatically makes all the apps safe), and secondly, even if they did the bad guys would have a whole heap of data there already.
The walled garden isn't looking so secure now, is it?
Lighten up already . . .
Talk about people getting bent out of shape - Comparing Apple with Nazis? Do you know anything about history?
Apple is one of the good guys - imagine trying to buy a new computer with Microsoft XP on it: OOPS, SORRY, you can't have that anymore, even though you don't want Vista. Or think back to a few years ago and trying to buy any PC anywhere without a Windows OS - those guys (MS) are the control freaks.
But over 3000 new apps in about 75 days is not enough for you? Can you name a single other computing platform that has produced over 3000 titles in 3 months? Sure a little wheat might get thrown out with the chaff, but I'm more than glad not to have all the Porn, spam, spyware, and Viagra programs that Android will likely have. You liking Android better? - great, make your move - I hear it works great with Vista . . . .
Wow! Just WOW. Apple, what in the living hell is going on with you? You're turning into a bunch of nazis. What's next? You make any developer that complains about you "disappear"?
I'm really losing faith in Apple as being one of the 'good guys' They're proving to the world that they are a bunch of greedy control freaks and that (they believe) everyone else but them is wrong. Boo Apple! Boo!
Talk about people getting bent out of shape - Comparing Apple with Nazis? Do you know anything about history?
Apple is one of the good guys - imagine trying to buy a new computer with Microsoft XP on it: OOPS, SORRY, you can't have that anymore, even though you don't want Vista. Or think back to a few years ago and trying to buy any PC anywhere without a Windows OS - those guys (MS) are the control freaks.
But over 3000 new apps in about 75 days is not enough for you? Can you name a single other computing platform that has produced over 3000 titles in 3 months? Sure a little wheat might get thrown out with the chaff, but I'm more than glad not to have all the Porn, spam, spyware, and Viagra programs that Android will likely have. You liking Android better? - great, make your move - I hear it works great with Vista . . . .
I completely agree with you about the Nazi comment, but I'm a bit confused by your Vista comments. Firstly, you can still buy XP on a number of machines (mainly the new breed of "Small, Cheap Computers"), but you try and buy a new Mac with Tiger on it...
I agree 100%.
I just sold my iPhone 3G last week for various reasons. After seeing this news, I know I made the right decision.
This is just a downright disgrace. Apple, seriously...I feel ashamed to even call myself a Mac user right now. Ugh...
Tell Apple About It
A lot of upset people, I'm one of them, but we can do more good than just venting on this forum. Tell Apple how you feel:
Developer Feedback:
http://developer.apple.com/contact/
Product Feedback:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/
Go forth and fill their inboxes.
A lot of upset people, I'm one of them, but we can do more good than just venting on this forum. Tell Apple how you feel:
Developer Feedback:
http://developer.apple.com/contact/
Product Feedback:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/
Go forth and fill their inboxes.