Nah it’ll teach apple to be a bit more transparent with things that ultimately affect user experience. This whole thing is pocket change for apple. They’ll raise prices regardless
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Apple Faces Another iPhone Lawsuit Over 'Programmed Obsolescence'
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I’m on an 11 Pro and have seen lags and instability since going from
iOS 13 to 14 that I might be ok with after three or four years of updates but not the year after release. For whatever reason, Apple is getting sloppy and they need to know it’s not ok, they need to get this right.
iOS 13 to 14 that I might be ok with after three or four years of updates but not the year after release. For whatever reason, Apple is getting sloppy and they need to know it’s not ok, they need to get this right.
I have more confidence in the batteries Apple now use in their devices than I do about water resistance, but I'd not sacrifice the IPS rating even if its only fully waterproof for a while.
I reckon that there is more chance I'll drop my phone in the toilet or get caught in a heavy rainstorm than the battery giving out within the timeframe I own it.
A dead battery I can cope with, at which stage I can simply go to the store and have them install a new one. All my Apple devices have had stellar battery life with my 5s still holding @ 78% capacity, IP7 @ 86% and even getting 12+ hours playback on a 5th Gen Nano !
YOUR 5s, and if I remember rightly at the time you had a certain number of days to roll back your phone when iOS 11 was released. Obviously they did not cripple your particular device intentionally to make it obsolete, hell they even provided security updates in January 2021 !
Personally I've always kept all my iOS devices updated to the latest version and never had an issue. Perhaps it was some of the apps you had installed that were not optimized.
Nah it’ll teach apple to be a bit more transparent with things that ultimately affect user experience. This whole thing is pocket change for apple. They’ll raise prices regardless
Oh yeah, because the global negative PR from the battery throttle issue wasn't enough, Apple is going to finally learn their lesson from...*checks notes*...Portugal.
That not the same thing as "Programmed Obsolescence" which is what the thread is about.. it simply means it was a sketchy OS release.
I hope you reported the bugs to Apple so they can fix them in the next update.
2015?!?!?!? That's barely 6 years old!!!!
My PC that I built back in 2008 (13 years ago), for about 650eur continues to work perfectly with the latest Windows 10 build and Office 365. I used it as a server until about 3 years ago when the memory failed so I replaced that for about 20eur, and then I gave it to my friends' kid for his school work.
He plays Minecraft on it and is learning to program and do all sorts on it.
Tell me a Mac from 2008 that runs Big Sur (the latest OS), well enough that you can run office, browse the web and also play basic 3D rendered games on it.......
My late 2013 MBP which I gave to my wife is struggling with Big Sur, and even Struggled with Catalina. The last decent OS I was able to use on it was Mojave.
(PS. I use and love my M1 and have owned an iPhone since the 3G, but they all have a very limited shelf-life).
I too have an 11Pro and see no difference in performance. There was an update that was taking the battery down really quickly, but they did patch and it was fixed. There is always the option of "it works fine, don't do an update" Not all trying to be an ass, but each time there is a new Processor, or other chips, older CPUs and such may react differently to new code. Your case is only 1 year, but on the older ones and the reality is that you can't keep writing new code for new CPUs and not mess up old ones, other than keep putting band-aids in and end up with all kinds of hodgepodge code.
Audible audible audible audible audible SO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM IS APPLE!!!! Really? Audible is free to support older OS’s, they’ve decided NOT to. But, isn’t the bigger problem here that a service was purchased without first understanding if that service was supported on the devices you own? I mean, I can believe that Audible might make it really hard to fi... oh, it’s right there on https://www.audible.com/ep/apple
Says it doesn’t support the iPhone 6. Again, that’s Audible’s decision.
Access not required to replace battery.
Every piece of consumer electronics has planned obsolescence. It’s not like Nintendo are happy making games for the GBA and the GameCube still, is it?
Apple may well be guilty of some dubious practices but so is every other manufacturer.
Apple may well be guilty of some dubious practices but so is every other manufacturer.
Which is not "Programmed Obsolescence", rather "bad practice" to (a) Let it happen (b)leave it out of the release documentation when the "fix" came out .
They got slaughtered for it, and tried to make things right by offering cheap replacements and reimbursements.
It was also 3 freaking years ago.
Windows 10 is kinda the equivalent of running El Capitan though
And you can play quiet a few older 3d games very well via bootcamp (Yes W10 can be installed with some tinkering) even on a 2008 MBP e.g COD, Need for Speed etc.
A 2008 Mac Pro could be upgraded with a GTX770 and be pretty capable - but then again it was a $3000 machine originally.
And even if it was required, just backup the phone and wipe it before handing it over - simples.
I had an iPad mini and the same thing happened to me. I was so pissed.
There is a good reason why they don't want to lemming for Apple.
I wonder how a galaxy S5 feels nowadays in comparison ?
I like that, but that will mean either of 2 things....battery needs to be smaller or the phone needs to be bigger. If it is to be removable it needs to be a packaged battery, in some kind of plastic envelope with some form of exposed contacts. The phone will have to have some form of receptacle that the battery slides into. Each of these take up space....not much but none the less space. so far they have been making effort to squeeze batter into every last nook and cranny. Given that there is all this talk on 120hz screen refresh, that will place more demand on the battery. Maybe some kind of battery that snaps on the back, but with all of this you get back to it being more vulnerable to liquids, which is why I heard them talk of no ports at all, device is completely sealed. who knows.
Bringing an iPhone in for service with bugs that tons of other people are having is a waste of time as its Apple's software engineerings problem to fix not a tech at an apple store. My reference was to standards of quality based on premium pricing and marketing.
That brings up another point though, an Apple car sounds less and less appealing all the time now. Imagine the software bug potential in a car running iOS 🤣
Well, and you forgot to mention, that after a while you are forced to upgrade, else Apps won't update anymore, because Apple forces the devs to publish their Apps to a >x.x iOS version.
I think that you're right, but that's only for a small portion of the user base.
My observation is that most people just let upgrades happen automatically. Then, they suffer with the side-effects of an operating system trying to do more with a fixed level of hardware capability. Note: Software is not magic, even if it seems to be.
A subset of the above will just use this as an excuse to buy that new phone that they just know they need to have. I don't know if Apple deliberately plays to this, but it certainly appears that they at least look the other way.
Then there's people who follow sites like MacRumors. They get worked up when things don't work the way they should, or the way they want them to work. (Notice the subtle difference there.) The software is not magic comment still applies.
However, having the ability to roll back your operating system version to where you previously were happy seems most reasonable. I personally don't understand why that's not permitted, especially if it's a backup on your own storage. You could try the new operating system, determine if the performance hit is worth it on your hardware, and make your choice. I guess that's so they reduce the number of operating systems they need to support. Except for the people who opted out of upgrades, of course.
Based on some recent experiences and observations with regard to Mac operating system upgrades, it does seem that Apple is offering upgrades that actually break things, and then either deny that it's broken, blame you the customer, or tell you to upgrade to Big Sur and/or buy a new computer. I say, heck'em.
Think about this logically.
Why does Apple offer new operating system versions each year? (This was not always the case, btw) Primarily because new operating system are needed to take advantage of whatever new hardware they want to sell you this year.
So, why do they also make it so the new operating system can be loaded into device a couple years old? I think it's primarily to keep people engaged. (I'm not counting security or bug fixes.) It's a marketing tool for them. They don't make any money directly from upgrades. In fact, it must cost them a lot because of the distribution, the needed support, and the regression testing they sorta do. (Mac operating systems used to be distributed on CDs, so they didn't come for free. But, for the price they charged, I have to believe that they made profit beyond the cost of buying CDs or DVDs, packaging, shipping, and profit for a dealer. After all. what do DVDs sell for?)
Think about how this works for iOS devices. When you get a new device, there's a new operating system in it. It's the latest version, at least without taking into account very recent upgrades that were offered after the product left the factory. Then, most people automatically get upgrades unless they go out of their way to opt out. (They still get nagged - the parallels with privacy concerns are too funny to discuss.) If an upgrade doesn't work well for a customer, they have just a week or two to go back. And, they can only go back one version. Your device is entirely under Apple's control until the day when they say, "We're done! You're on your own! Don't look to us for help."
That all seems crazy.
Having software upgrades that are specifically aimed to take advantage of new hardware also work, sorta, on older devices is nutty. Maybe on last year's hardware, but not much beyond that.
I'd be much happier if they provided bug fixes and security upgrades for older operating systems, even if it there was a modest cost associated. Maybe if they got some revenue form it, Apple would devote more resources to fixing those than they do. AppleCare is currently between about $4 and $12 per month for an iPhone, from what I gather. A Mac is about $10 per month. That's for hardware, too. Why not a flat fee of a buck a month for operating system upgrades after the first year? Or, maybe, 99 cents, like iCloud storage?
Right again! Apple could choose to divert engineers away from new features and more towards optimization. Apple literally would sell millions of iPhone 13 models if ALL THEY DID was stick in a new camera and offer them in new colors, dont even touch the damn software aside from bug fixes. Thats why most people upgrade anyway ,the cameras. No average person said OMG now theres OLED!!!!! Us geeks love that stuff but talking to numerous people the first thing the mention is the camera. They barely know anything else was added unless something was moved around, etcNah it’ll teach apple to be a bit more transparent with things that ultimately affect user experience. This whole thing is pocket change for apple. They’ll raise prices regardless
So much anger and arrogance. A) We did not buy Audible solely for the iPhone. Nexus 6 working fine, but iPhone 6 preferred. B) The older version of Audible is available (prior to 6S) in the App Store. Apple will allow it to be installed from the app store to an iPhone 6 if you have either the current Audible app, of had the older version (lets say you had an iPhone 5 and installed it the prior to buying a Nexus). So it is there. Perhaps Amazon does not want it to be installed and Apple does, so the fault lies with Amazon. But then why does Amazon support the Nexus 6 Audible App via the Play store? What benefit does Amazon gain by limiting availability of Audible on older iDevices ?? Alternatively what does Apple gain by making my wife think she needs to buy a new phone because her current phone (which works great) is "too old". Anyway, always interesting to post something anti-Tim Apple on MR.
Truly heartbreaking that we might have to wait for the next Animoji while Apple answers to charges of ripping off consumers.
If only corporations were allowed to do whatever they like with complete impunty, what a better place the world would be. Sigh.