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You are expecting anyone to sympathize with the working and pay conditions of the medical profession?

If you ever plan on being a patient, it would be in your best interest to educate yourself on duty hours and working conditions.
 
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It is dependent on the manager running the store. I can guarantee that Tim Cook will not stand for this and he will be firing some managers.

You would think a company with 170 billion dollars in the bank and makes a butt load of money every quarter would pay and treat there employees very generous$$$
 
You would think a company with 170 billion dollars in the bank and makes a butt load of money every quarter would pay and treat there employees very generous$$$

They do. That is why I opted out of the bag check bs. How many of those complaining about the bag checks taking 1 min of their time also sat at the computer and lagged with logging out? I was treated well and miss working there.

These suits are driven by class action attorneys that will collect on a large chunk of the money. Most class action suits end up in nominal coupons while attorneys walk away with millions.
 
As a doctor one would think you are smart enough to know not eating for 18 hours isn't exactly healthy.

As an American citizen, one would think you are smart enough to know that American patients and worthless administrators expect that doctors don't take meal breaks.
 
I think if the Foxconn employees read about how people are coming a lawsuit about not having a lunch break after 5 hours they would laugh pretty hard. And people wonder why all our jobs are going overseas lol

I think that the 30 million slaves that still exist are laughing even harder when they read about Foxconn employees having a SALARY and NOT being regularly WHIPPED.

Seriouly, do you think we should all head to the lowest possible common denominator? because that is slavery. Maybe it would be more intelligent trying to make the world better for everyone instead of worsening the conditions of the few people that, after centuries of fighting, got a few human and work rights?

PS: Is it you, Scrooge McDuck? :p
 
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Are their actually 20,000 employees that have voluntarily joined this class action suite? Or is it one of these things where you know nothing about it until you get a letter in the mail about it?
 
This is precisely why we have 57 companies throughout the USA and NONE of them are or ever will be in California. If you think this is bad you should see the state of workman's compensation in California, its even worse.

Theres nothing wrong with a legitimate claim, it happens sometimes in very large companies with a multitude of divisions, but CA is nothing but a shark tank of lawyers and suers....a pathetic social state IMHO. But I do love those coastlines :rolleyes:
 
Working in retail with the general public can be very taxing on one's soul. Those 15 and 30 minute escapes can be what helps a person maintain their sanity.

Companies big and small routinely ignore the labor laws of the state(s) that they operate in. Remember, Walmart used to lock people in the stores until the work was finished, even working off the clock?

It is California state law that you are entitled to certain breaks when you are scheduled for a certain amount of time. Apple should really know better, it being their home state and all.

The state I work in only requires breaks to be given for minors. But the company I work for insists that we take our allotted breaks every work day. Some people will skip them or work through them so they can get done faster. I know it can be tough to get your momentum back after being off the clock for half an hour and having consumed a meal, but it can be done.


It is the sad truth that the lawyers will end up making most of the money in this case. The lead plaintiffs will probably get a bit more than the average member of the settlement class.
 
If this were Samsung or Google I guarantee you those who are siding with Apple on this would be saying how "evil" the company truly is. Apple violated labor laws. Plain and simple.

And if this were Samsung or Google, the people that harbor disdain for Apple would shrug and keep scrolling down the front page.

If you're posting here on MacRumors, chances are you're predisposed to either take Apple's side on everything, or give them hell for everything. Though there are a few users that defy those categories, there's not much middle ground.
 
But this isn't it. 5 hours without a meal break isn't what the labor laws are there to stop. Most labor laws don't even cover how many hours can be worked before a break is required. They aren't breaking any laws. Labor laws are there to protect gross negligence in the treatment of employees i.e. forcing employees to work the whole shift of 8 hours or more without any breaks at all, Poor or unsafe working conditions and the like.

Poor little twenty year olds can't sit or stand in an air conditioned store and talk for 5 hours straight?? The horror !! Count me in the group that thinks America's youth is a bunch of weenies

Yes, in California, this *IS* the law...and the law also PROHIBITS an employee from voluntarily skipping the meal break and, the employee MUST take at least one of the two 15 minute breaks in an 8 hour day.

If you don't get a "true uninterrupted meal break," you must be paid a meal-break penalty of one hour for each 8 hour shift. 2 for a 12 hour shift. How do I know this? I know this because I get paid these penalties EVERY day that I work.

California is VERY protective of its workers, to the extent that it protects me, no matter where I am physically working. If I work in NY, PA, NJ, NV, Arizona (as I have in the past) as a California employee, the provisions still apply. There is only ONE exception to California's labor protections, and that is if the location I am working outside of California would "afford greater protection."

I don't see why everyone is whining about some employees getting their breaks, getting their paychecks or whatever. As far as employees being required to be on-site before their shift for a "bag inspection," those hours, since mandated as required are what California considers "hours worked."


An example of an interrupted meal break, would be a security guard at a gate, who is not provided a "relief" for his meal break. If this guard, must stop eating his lunch to perform duties, no matter how small, like "pushing a button to open a gate, door, etc.., answering the phone," this is a interrupted meal break. This is true, even if he did not actually have to perform duties during the break, the mere fact that he "might" have to do it, is enough.

You guys can try to argue this all that you want. Anybody who says or tries to state otherwise in California is simply wrong.

They have website, and law firms that specialize in exactly that. (though I am not a litigious person)

Check out www.gotmealbreaks.com and www.gotovertime.com

Think about these numbers, I work usually 6 days most weeks, there are 52 weeks in a year... That makes 312 penalty hours (for my example, i'll pretend that I did not work 12 hours in a day.) Take that 312 hours, times YOUR hourly wage and see what you get. Even if you only made minimum wage, (in cali it is $9.00), then you are looking at $2808.00 before takes. After state & federal taxes, that is enough to buy yourself today a 13" Macbook air with retina display including sales tax.
 
If people keep giving companies a pass on violating labor laws, we will eventually end up like china. Is that what you're hoping for..?
No!
Really? This is your standard? At least it's better than China?
What i'm saying is that china is worse.
I don't see your point. Are you saying that if it's not as bad as in China that they shouldn't complain? There are reasons we have laws to protect people from the issues Chinese workers face. So not only does your commit hold no merit. You come off like a fool.

Really, read it again as well as the title of this thread. China is worse.
 
Mind note to myself: never go to a country where the doctor that is treating me, and that could kill me if he makes a mistake, regularly works beyond exhaustion (while asking me to pay hundreds or thousands of USD). :confused:

Exactly. And the same goes for airline pilots, air traffic controllers, teachers, firemen, truck drivers...
 
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It is very hard for me too very sorry that they had to wait 5hrs to get their lunch break. Ask them if they ever had time to check their Facebook account during that 5hr.... Come work in healthcare and you realize 5hrs is sometimes a just a bathroom break. Sometimes work gets busy but in the end it does balance out. Grow up...
 
This.

I am puzzled as to why many people today do not see compliance with the law as the proper thing.

Yes, I realize I sound like the cranky old man yelling "get off my lawn".

Let's not assume noncompliance from a complaint, okay? And insofar as you're insisting on "compliance with the law," that also should extend to the rules governing class certification. Among other things, these plaintiffs are going to have a difficult time demonstrating that the issues they raise are common to all class members.
 
Ambulance chasing lawyers are going from retailer to retailer filing these in California. It's been going on for years. They will settle out of court, these employees will get $20 and the lawyers will walk alway with a new Bentley. Retailers should up and leave California and their crazy labor laws...but that won't happen as these things are just part of the cost of doing business in California. Let's hope they pass the cost to consumers in California too.
Yeah, I'll bet apple hardly sells anything here, to justify the trouble.
 
Five whole hours without a break? Poor babies. Those of us who routinely go 8+ without one really feel for them....

It is very hard for me too very sorry that they had to wait 5hrs to get their lunch break. Ask them if they ever had time to check their Facebook account during that 5hr.... Come work in healthcare and you realize 5hrs is sometimes a just a bathroom break. Sometimes work gets busy but in the end it does balance out. Grow up...

"Grow up"? Just because you allow yourself to be treated like dogs, that doesn't everyone else should.
 
These claims sound ridiculous. I don't sympathize with Apple employees at all. I have worked at Target for a couple of years and let me tell you I prefer to have not taken my meal break if they just leave me alone and not yell at me for making sure my department was properly zoned at the end of the night. 5 hrs and no break? Sorry Apple sweeties but just about every restaurant I've worked at has forced their servers, bus boys, and cooks to work without a break until the very end of their shift. That's life. You should be privileged to be standing behind a desk and looked up to for advice by customers and only have to deal with one at a time. Try working for Target where during the holidays you have to pick up the phone, try to cash out customers, and not have their kids opening boxes or steal. Ugh, Apple employees and their first world probs.

I use to work for Apple retail for 5 years and to see a Target employee say "try working for Target during the holidays blah blah blah" is absolutely hysterical. All my old coworkers would simultaneously facepalm after reading what you just typed. One customer at a time? Yeah if you're lucky. Customers not trying to steal? Are you freaking kidding me! There is ABSOLUTELY NO other retail store on the planet that is as hectic and crazy as an Apple Store. Target's holiday season is slower than your average Tuesday evening there, and I'm not exaggerating. Have you ever had to deal with a line of customers that's over 2000 people? I have, but luckily those are actually fun, because the employees and customers are really excited during product launches. But my point is that if you think what you deal with is tough, you would never be able to survive working Apple Retail. And I'm honestly not trying to brag or say "I'm so cool" because I worked for Apple or anything like that, and I'm definitely not trying to say Target itself is inferior because it's not as busy or something stupid like that, as I would go there over the infestation that is Walmart any day, I just simply had to point out the fact of how ridiculous your statement was.

And for the record, I don't agree with this lawsuit or the ex-employees, as I never had a problem taking a break. It was super easy to take your break on time, as it was completely managed by the employee itself. If it was time for your lunch, or a 15 minute break, you just simply finished up with your customer and then walked out and told the lead that you're going on break, and they would say "ok, enjoy". Sure you would get stopped by about 10 customers before getting to the door thats only 30 feet away, but you would just say "I'm sorry I'm on break, ____ can help you". So if these employees were not getting the proper breaks that management forced us to take, then it was their choice and their own damn fault.

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Sounds like grad school :D

funny how forgetting just one letter completely changes what you were trying to say lol
 
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Five whole hours without a break? Poor babies. Those of us who routinely go 8+ without one really feel for them....

Last I knew 5 hours was the max allowed by federal law without a break, so unless Californicatia has something more restrictive I dunno what the problem there is.
 
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