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Were Apple first in any of these lists, I couldn’t give two hoots. The only people who care about appearance of innovation are shallow, insecure customers and greedy investors, and I’m neither. What I want from companies products I use is good reliable design and good support. Apparent appearance of this overused term is way down the list of values I hold dear. Value for money is an order of magnitude more important to me, and in that I wouldn’t rate Apple number 1. True innovation is giving a crap about your customers more than profit. A fat folding phone has nothing to do with that.

Nope, that called customer support, important for sure, but not innovation. The iPod wasn't the first MP3 player but its implementation really was. The iPhone wasn't the first smart phone either, but it was amazingly innovative and disruptive.

Things that thrill the imagination or really disrupt some sector are generally due to innovation, the whole better mouse trap thing.

Solid evolution is important, as is good customer service. Virtue signaling and the feeling of profiteering don't thrill me much over imaginative products.
 



Fast Company today published its annual rankings of the 50 most innovative companies in the world, with Apple dropping from 2018's top spot to 17th place this year.

According to the rankings, the most innovative company for 2019 is Chinese tech firm Meituan Dianping, which "expedites the booking and delivery of services such as food, hotel stays, and movie tickets." In 2018, the platform facilitated $33.8 billion transaction for more than 350 million people in 2,800 cities.

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Other companies in the top five include Singapore-based ride-hailing company Grab, NBA, The Walt Disney Company, and women's fishing e-commerce service Stitch Fix. Square, Oatly, Twitch, Shopify, and Alibaba Group also filled positions higher than Apple, whose in-house processor achievements in 2018 were highlighted:
Last year Apple was given first place for its 2017 accomplishments, which included the iPhone X, the Apple Watch Series 3, ARKit, and its work to improve medical care with CareKit and ResearchKit. The year previous it was ranked the number four most valuable company.

To create these rankings, Fast Company says that more than three dozen editors, reporters, and contributors surveyed thousands of companies to identify the most notable innovations of the year and trace their impact on businesses, industries, and the larger culture.

In addition to a master list, Fast Company publishes a breakdown of most innovative companies by sector. Apple topped the list in the "Consumer Electronics" category, beating out companies like Google, Microsoft, and Dell.

Article Link: Apple Falls From 1st to 17th Spot in 'World's Most Innovative Company' Rankings

Yet (did anyone read that far?) Apple was still number 1 in "Consumer Electronics".

Thank You, MacRumors for another clickbait article to stir the hornet's nest.
 
This feature is not available outside the US - for most of the world there is no ECG-watch innovation, it is just bloatware - not existent.
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triple 40MP camera
usb-c 3.1 port
in-display fingerprintreader additional to "Face ID"
auto-connect to strongest wifi
usb-c 3.1 connection to every monitor --> Desktop mode with bluetooth keyboard und bluetooth mouse support and it works
dual frequency GPS, Gallileo, Glonass --> higher precision compared to every iphone
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are you for real?
 
This doesn't surprise me, especially concerning the iPhone. Unlike the past, where I purchased each new release, or at least every other release, I've kept my 6s, but have moved over to the Pixel as my daily phone. My biggest complaint, is while iOS is stable and secure, it's old, boring and looks like my iPhone from 2007. Seriously, it's 2019 and you still are forced to line up your icons on the home screens?!?! You have to play that little game of trying to move your wiggling icons into the spot that you want to. But actually, you can't even move them where you want to if you want spaces or want them in different spots... REALLY Apple?! Notifications are horrible, no home screen widgets, and no customization.

The iPhones after the 6s don't trigger any response from me, they're boring and over-priced. And I really resent the lack of a headphone jack as I had some expensive wired headphones. As much as I like the Pixel phones, I've stayed with the original Pixel since it does have one. Apple started this whole ball rolling with taking out the headphone jack, now almost everyone had to follow Apple's lead. Thanks Apple! /s

The same applies to most of their overpriced, under-whelming laptops also. I've maxed out my 2012 15" MBP with more memory and a large SSD, but have no desire to update to the newer models.

I'm hoping SOMEONE at Apple still has some fresh ideas and listen to their users, but I doubt it. It's all about milking their loyal users for all their worth now. While I think Tim Cook is a nice enough guy, he's a money-man, not an idea-man.
 
I don't know about you guys, but I'd much rather see someone like Elon Musk as CEO of Apple, instead of Tim Cook. Can you imagine what Musk would be having Apple create!?
 
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I would agree that Apple has taken a dive in terms of surprising us with miraculous new inventions like in the days of the first iPhones and iPads, but I gotta question this source considering they're giving the number one and two spots in innovation to Chinese Uber knock-offs. Lol.

Is this the most innovative intellectual-property theft list?
 
I remember reading somewhere that Steve’s Apple displaced six industries from selling music software to compact cameras. Those days were long gone the Apple today is all about making fat profits from the legacy that Steve created.

If you want to talk about innovations one criterion has to be the ability to go beyond your current business. Like Tesla and Google and amazon. They’ve gone beyond their main cash cow and become successful in areas completely foreign. Apple, not so much. Despite the rumours of getting into tv and autonomous cars.

It’s also continuing to upgrade and lead in areas where they play. Mobile phones, smart assistance, smart speakers, laptops, maps, office suite, music subscription etc. are things and software that Apple used to lead but is in danger of being caught up or worse falling way behind. In software and services google is definitely far ahead and feel way more polished and innovative. Samsung and many Chinese Brands often make better hardware.
 
Apple stopped making large strides with innovation years ago. Instead Apple drip-feeds innovation via incremental annual updates to their products.

There's been no innovation with macOS for years. Instead it just gets a tiny maintenance release annually with a new stupid name & a couple of new features.

iOS is in reasonable shape but Android hasn't stood still and raced past iOS in certain areas. However, iOS is tired, dull & needs a huge revamp, particularly on iPad where iOS just makes ground-breaking hardware behave like a giant iPhone.

I don't really need to say anything that hasn't already been said about the severely neglected iMac. And don't get me started on the inept & badly designed MacBook Pro's. They need an urgent redesign and lets hope Apple don't get too innovative on the already sky-high pricing structure.

It's terrible on the iPad, exactly the reason I bought a Surface Go yesterday, and I have 2 iPads for myself.
 
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First in the tech sector. Guess that counts for something. However, being in the top 20 worldwide based on this particular ranking isn't a bad thing as it's made out to be in some of the prior posts, which make apple out to be a sinking ship. Far from it.
 
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I think many people just don't like the hypocrisy and contradictory nature of many Apple "fans". When Apple innovates (iPhone) they point out how "innovative" Apple is yet when Apple enters an established market (streaming service) all we hear from Apple fans is "Apple waits and does it right"; in other words copying something NOT innovating.

It seems Apple fans want "innovation" AND the ability to copy (but call it "doing it right").

In other words have their cake and eat it.
I visit Android sites on occasion but rarely post and when I do I don't bash Android. I see a lot of hypocrisy on the Android sites claiming Android innovation when it is copying Apple just like you claim is here but the Apple 'fans' are civil enough not to rain on their parade.
 
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Innovation like more ram? At least name something that’s fits you personal definitions of innovative so we can have a discussion on it.
I haven’t seen innovation out of Samsung. More, next iteration, etc is not innovation

My definition of innovation is coming out with revolutionary products never seen before. Let’s start with the big one. The Galaxy Fold. Both an iPad and an iPhone in your pocket. How’s that for innovation?
 
This list of 'innovative' companies is far from an authority on the subject. I mean, come on, number 4 on the list is Disney. Why? Because they are starting a streaming service?!? Wow, so innovative.
 
It's terrible on the iPad, exactly the reason I bought a Surface Go yesterday, and I have 2 iPads for myself.
Buying a Surface was the best decision I ever made. I've had a Surface RT, Surface Pro 3&4 and now am on a Surface Book. The surface rt, even though it couldn't run win32 exe apps replaced both my laptop and iPad. It had full office and I could connect a keyboard, mouse, another HD if I wanted to dock it with large monitor and key board and mouse, I even had a desktop. If Apple would have just not been stubborn or whatever and put OS X on a tablet I would have bought that first and never switched. I even eventually switched from iPhone to Windows phone because of iOS and once Windows Phone failed to take off, which sucks because I really really liked the UI and the camera. It was a Nokia 1020 and had a 48mp camera at the time and was amazing. Now I have an Android Phone because I would never go back to iOS and it syncs perfectly with my Surface. This is coming from someone who when they got their first laptop graduating high school in 2002 and bought an iBook and went everything Apple till I bought a surface.

If you have ANY questions let me know and I will help you out!
 
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My definition of innovation is coming out with revolutionary products never seen before. Let’s start with the big one. The Galaxy Fold. Both an iPad and an iPhone in your pocket. How’s that for innovation?

I think we are looking at services, security, manufacturing process, technology advances as areas of great innovation. Not end user products.
 
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Maybe you should say "copied, learned and now they innovate."

But how did they learn how to innovate?

We need to look at them as competitors not as minions.

Well, they purged the educated and talented part of their population during the "cultural revolution". But new talented and motivated people grew up. They work hard, concentrated and well guided.

It is only a question of time when a well guided population of 1 000 000 000 will be superior to other nations being arrogant and not willing to work together.
If you are outnumbered by 4:1, sanctions will not work as they work on smaller nations.
 
Innovation is about new changes to things. It’s best when changes are made for the better.

Apple innovation: Swift, APFS, custom chips, new unibody architecture, Force Touch, 3D Touch, Force Touch tracking, Touch ID, Face ID, rounded displays, health monitoring, ProMotion, Touch Bar, butterfly keyboard, beamforming sound, easy Bluetooth pairing.

Samsung innovation: too many to list.

I was genuinely interested to know which dictionary you were using, so i could see what else it says. But in hindsight I see it's not an actual definition, and is just your opinion. I understand where you are coming from, and I in part agree. Regardless, at the end of the day, no matter how you rationalize it, doesn't make your perception of the word any more real.

You're innovating the word innovation.
 
I visit Android sites on occasion but rarely post and when I do I don't bash Android. I see a lot of hypocrisy on the Android sites claiming Android innovation when it is copying Apple just like you claim is here but the Apple 'fans' are civil enough not to rain on their parade.
Yeah you'll right I'm sure no-one on this site as ever posted "to bad it runs Android" when company X releases a new phone.

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You mean the ECG that if I went to the store and bought a new Apple Watch still wouldn't be available on my wrist? It's not rolled out outside the US, so here (Norway) the innovation level for Apple looks even lower.



Neither here in Sinagpore.

In another thread the forumer’s say it is due to each individual country preventing the roll out.

Well for Sg , I can confirm that APPLE did not raise request with my country version of the “FDA”...

So any other forummer pls ask your own country reponsible department if Apple have many any request?

I wanted to buy the Apple Watch but right now with this new I feel like Second hand consumer !

Also , is it possible that Apple have never intended to roll out the ECG and the hardware sold in other countries are different that in the USA ?
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They are commonly referred to as trolls.


Is it the same when China accused Google/ Facebook of spying on their own citizens/ nation?

So should China ban all western world technologies?
Like with Intel chips having a backdoor DESIGNED in the chips?

Given that Huawei supposedly have 70% of the 5G technology PATENTS , should we then preven the rollout of 5G ?

I mean think about it, China learn fast and they are advancing so in all areas.
Right now the US say Huawei controlling 5G is worrisome, do they have proof ?
Or is the Cold War mentality .
They do not have proof but is afraid of the ideologies of where it come from ?
THUS fear TRUMPS innovation ?


If the western world DO have proof then surely it should share to the allies?
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What I'm waiting to see -and I've said it before- for Apple to innovate is to put their money where their mouth is and turn the whole iOS hardware into something really usable. Some might disagree, but ditch the Mac already! Current x86 architecture is actually old, overpriced and reached a lot of its limits and makes Apple depend on third parties even more.
Go to iPads and iPhones and put the advantage of their tight integration and extremely advanced processor architecture to work. Make iOS more of a macOS... or replace that damn iOS with macOS already. Make iPads compatible with a mouse. That alone would change the way CAD works on iPads.
Examples that I can just think about from the top of my head: For 3D artists, use that FaceID scanner to acquire 3D data from objects and viceversa: load an OBJ file into your iPhone and texture it using images around you and adjust/paint them using Apple Pencil. Yes, there are some apps that do that, but in a very rudimentary way that's oriented more towards experimentation or leisure than actual work. Or instead of using all the scanner tech inside an iPhone for Animojis, load your OBJ/FBS character file and animate their facial expression, or fine limbs movements, walk cycles, etc, using the scanner/camera and then send it back to Maya/Unity/Unreal. And that's the tip of the iceberg only for 3D work. The possibilities are endless and they have the resources!... oh, but those applications are not available for iOS. Not even Final Cut Pro X or Logic/Mainstage are available for iOS. What are they waiting for?!
I'm actually disappointed that they cannot see actual use cases like the ones I mentioned. And they are not new... a lot of professionals all over the web have expressed a lot of similar advantages to making iPads and iPhones really "Pro."
That's the leap we are waiting for in my opinion, and what will propel them back to the top. Not trying to convince us that the iPad Pro is for you to take it to a meeting and write down notes on it. Actual pen and paper are way better for this and thousands of dollar cheaper. Apple was respected because their workflow was powerful enough for pros, and at the same time very intuitive and easy to learn for a kid to grab a computer and do anything on it, be creative on it... not make you addicted to social networks or IAP games.
Do it, Apple... catering actual professional work will push your R&D and creativity even further. Casual users will just reap the fruits from that.
That's the passion old Apple drove into fans. New Apple... meh. Just extremely expensive and underpowered hardware.


I would love this integration , but given the recent critical bugs coming one after another for IOS / Mac, I think Apple needs to get their software department in line first....
 
Well, this site does report on every single little thing, most of which you apparently don't care about. If you would just be checking general tech news from other websites, maybe you'd be happier.
Yep, you will find innovation elsewhere not here.
 
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