I can't talk to you - you've invoked my own personal variant of Godwins law - you brought Nazi's into the conversation and it essentially means I can't have any kind of rational discussion with you (but I don't accept that the thread is ended because of you)
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Apple Files Lawsuit Against HTC Over Alleged iPhone Patent Infringement
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I can't talk to you - you've invoked my own personal variant of Godwins law - you brought Nazi's into the conversation and it essentially means I can't have any kind of rational discussion with you (but I don't accept that the thread is ended because of you)
Not being a bias here..... but.....
Google IS related to all this you know? Most of the patents involve UI specs and functionality.
Google makes the UI for all android phones. Not HTC (in all android handsets).
I know that plenty of you guys don't like where this is going. But at the end of the day, Apple did invent all these things (hence the patents).
You might think that a simple lock screen that you have to swipe a bar in order to unlock it pretty common. But Apple was first to set that standard and show that you don't need to press and hold x and y key to get your mobile phone unlocked.
Same thing goes to proximity sensors, light sensors and even accelerometers in phones. Who was the first to use all these in a mobile phone?
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Put yourself in the show of the inventor. You would more than likely want to protect your patents. Especially if the competitors are using them and make profit.
I think that this was a smart move by Apple TBH. Apple not doing anything when they heard about the Google Phones just means that they carefully planned all this ahead of time.
What do you guys think?
Google IS related to all this you know? Most of the patents involve UI specs and functionality.
Google makes the UI for all android phones. Not HTC (in all android handsets).
I know that plenty of you guys don't like where this is going. But at the end of the day, Apple did invent all these things (hence the patents).
You might think that a simple lock screen that you have to swipe a bar in order to unlock it pretty common. But Apple was first to set that standard and show that you don't need to press and hold x and y key to get your mobile phone unlocked.
Same thing goes to proximity sensors, light sensors and even accelerometers in phones. Who was the first to use all these in a mobile phone?
.Put yourself in the show of the inventor. You would more than likely want to protect your patents. Especially if the competitors are using them and make profit.
I think that this was a smart move by Apple TBH. Apple not doing anything when they heard about the Google Phones just means that they carefully planned all this ahead of time.
What do you guys think?
Strawman. You would still have exactly as many choices, they would just function slightly differently. If this is your line of reasoning, every technology company is evil. They all play this game. Singling out any one of them, whether it's Apple, Nokia, or the rest, says you have some other axe to grind.
I hope you are not serious....
I think it goes without saying implementation of said features is important.
Why the hell do you think most people think Windows Mobile 6 is awful?
It has tons of feature, it just does most of them terribly.
Well, I never have any problems with it. The appkillers, keep in mind, are largely being offered to people who don't really understand the multitasking of Android. Technically, you shouldn't ever need one the way the OS works. I would agree with you to a point, but I just think it's important to note that the vast majority of people using taskkillers just don't have any real reason to be and are doing it mainly out of having been conditioned over the past 20 years to think that we need to have as few things running at once as we can (on Windows, Macs, etc.).
I, for one, used to kill my apps alllll the time, but after the first month or so with the phone I realized that really, there's no need. The only time I ever do it these days is if I'm trying to force an app to reset for some reason - I can't remember the last time I used it for anything akin to a crash or to poor performance.
You might want to read.
"To clarify, and as is clear in the video, Jobs was quoting Pablo Picasso in the headlined quote. The follow-up quote is all him."
Well thats what Apple is really great at.
Taking features that exist and making them seem revolutionary.
I mean, Time Machine for instance....the exact same feature exist on windows platform...its just not done in such an extravagant way ....its just a point and click affair.
That's your subjective opinion. I have used other phones and the iPhone 3G as a source of light and the iPhone is a lot brighter than you may think.
If you think that your Android phone has specialized hardware to detect metal objects then I have a bridge to sell you. The iPhone 3GS has a magnetometer which is exactly what android phone uses to detect metal objects.
Yes it can. Bundled applications do multitask while third party apps currently do not but they do offer save and resume functionality for third party apps. What happens is the OS sends a signal telling the third party app to save and exit. If an app were to ignore that signal, it would be rejected by the app store approval process.
The iPhone does offer push within the built in mail app and supports notifications for third party apps which can constitute any combination of badges on the icon, sounds and alert messages. The notifications take care of most use cases for multi-tasking except for background streaming of audio in third party apps.
They are just exactly the specs that define a real winner!
Nobody calls Mac OS X Mock OS X.
No offense taken, because you're talking from ignorance. I won't hold that against you.
It's impossible for on-board flash, especially the weak ones on phones, to light a subject well. That's not me being old, that's just ye olde laws of physics. No getting around it. If your goal is just to capture *something* for a memory, then more power to you and use that flash. If your goal is proper fill, recording the scene as it was, or having control over the lighting of a subject, you cannot do it. If you happen to like the green-and-white skin with harsh shadows, again, more power to you, but most people don't. There's a reason that as you climb the camera ladder away from either the cheapest models or those intended to be pocketable above all else, the flash gets further and further away from the lens.
Picasso didn't say that
Actually Picasso said "Good Artists Copy, Great Artists Steal". Sorry, but I had to clarify that. And he was referring to him "stealing" the drawing style of children.
Actually Picasso said "Good Artists Copy, Great Artists Steal". Sorry, but I had to clarify that. And he was referring to him "stealing" the drawing style of children.
Dave, watch the videos. It's there! They're all free on Youtube or Google Video. Look, as I said in a previous post, these two companies have been taking one another's ideas for decades.
One will come up with something, then the other will take it, tweak it a bit, and put it in their stuff. Then, the first company does the same with the newly tweaked idea, and so on and so on. If you follow the history of the various operating systems, you can see this clearly going on with the taskbar/dock. Microsoft comes up with the taskbar (or "borrowed" or stole or licensed it from someplace - more than likely they took inspiration from various sources, not just one) and they put that in Windows 95. Next thing you know, Apple's taken it and made it into the Dock, which is a similar idea but an improved one. Microsoft takes their taskbar and implements some of Apple's dock ideas, like having previews of the application window in the dock, which Microsoft turned into their desktop window manager in Vista.
I think this is a GOOD thing. It's how progress happens. But the point is that yes, Apple has taken as much from Microsoft as has happened the other way around. Like others have pointed out, Steve Jobs has always said - and PROUDLY - that they steal ideas. They just like to be better at it than others. Go ahead and look at the 92 documentary "Triumph of the Nerds." Jobs says in it that it's not Microsoft taking ideas he has a problem with, but he thinks they don't do it with as much taste as he does.
No offense taken, because you're talking from ignorance. I won't hold that against you.
It's impossible for on-board flash, especially the weak ones on phones, to light a subject well. That's not me being old, that's just ye olde laws of physics. No getting around it. If your goal is just to capture *something* for a memory, then more power to you and use that flash. If your goal is proper fill, recording the scene as it was, or having control over the lighting of a subject, you cannot do it. If you happen to like the green-and-white skin with harsh shadows, again, more power to you, but most people don't. There's a reason that as you climb the camera ladder away from either the cheapest models or those intended to be pocketable above all else, the flash gets further and further away from the lens.
You are doing more than that with your camera phone?
I walked into this trap once before, but shouldn't you star the first three letters and leave 'hole' as it is?
I have plenty of friends with iPhone 3G and 3Gs, and I've seen the flashlight apps. The flash leds are brighter.
I didn't know the iPhone had one in it. As I said, I'd be happy to be corrected. Thanks!
I understand what you're saying, but it demonstrates the larger issue. Most people don't and don't want to "understand" it. Which I can't blame them for. I like to understand how my cameras work and rebuild them just because it's fun, but when it comes to my car I want to know how to drive it safely but let someone else repair the catalytic converter. When it comes to pocket computing devices, I want it to work reliably without me considering anything other than "now I'm sending an e-mail". If and when I want to consider more than that, I'll sit down and right a graphical data modeling application for it.
I understand what you're saying, but it demonstrates the larger issue. Most people don't and don't want to "understand" it. Which I can't blame them for. I like to understand how my cameras work and rebuild them just because it's fun, but when it comes to my car I want to know how to drive it safely but let someone else repair the catalytic converter. When it comes to pocket computing devices, I want it to work reliably without me considering anything other than "now I'm sending an e-mail". If and when I want to consider more than that, I'll sit down and right a graphical data modeling application for it.
Well, I agree with you, but that's kindof my point.
The Android phones I've used do just work without any trouble. You can just say "now I'm sending an email." To the user who doesn't understand and doesn't want to, it's transparent and there are no problems with the multitasking. To the user who wants to understand and does, the multitasking very nicely provides greater functionality.
Just because a ton of people THINK they need to kill their apps, that doesn't mean the multitasking doesn't work!
Well, at the moment I don't have a phone with a camera (try to avoid it, since I always carry at least a little digicam with manual controls and it's just one more thing to break). When I did, yes, that was exactly what I used it for, but if it had a flash I wouldn't have used it, because it's godawful ugly. If someone else wants to (and many do), though, have at it!
Again, I make no argument about what anyone else should or shouldn't do. I'm trying to explain to a flummoxed few why--as is evident from the iPhone sales numbers--this just isn't that important to most people. Everyone is free to buy whatever suits their needs. Life is alright.
I am serious. Aren't you?
I think it needs saying... frequently. Because there is no shortage of posters who will present lists of "facts" that read like a laundry-list of features that compares some other phone to the iPhone, with no regard for implementation.
And this is the first I've heard you admit that implementation is important. So, we agree then. Truce?