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Not without jailbreaking, unless you're talking about the method via Safari, which most services do not support.

Features only available via jailbreaking do not count as features.

As long as the hardware is capable to do what I want, it's a feature to me, whether apple implemented it or a another developer.. just because your mac does not ship with toast, isn't it a feature of a mac to "use" toast.. it's software.. of course it's a feature..
 
Clearly Android represents the most substantial threat to iPhone yet probably because it actually *only* seems to be taking market share from Apple and nobody else - that seems to be a great shame. I think we should actually stop a moment and remember how bl**dy great it was that Apple gave us the iPhone because prior to that all we had was a crappy Moto Razr.

How quickly we forget...

I personally preferred it when Apple and Google were united because only Microsoft wins when Apple and Google eat each others lunch.

It's a mess - let's hope Apple keep it together otherwise it's back to the dark ages of the 1990's when crap was in vogue
 
Calculated move by Apple.

They didn't go after palm, because the Pre was destined for failure, and because Apple had infringed on a bunch of Palm's PDA patents for use in the iPhone.

Also, if they sued Palm and Palm folded for any reason or other, Apple would get blamed for killing Palm and that's bad press. It's better to pick your targets and let the rest of the industry fall into line.
 
Yes.



Maybe ;)

Yes.

Yes.

iPhone..

but I'll admit that I could not use a non-jailbreaked iphone :eek:



Haha.

Now I have to disagree with you on the flashlight. You can use some kind of screen-whitening app to brighten up the screen and wave it around, but its nowhere near the brightness of the flash piece on my phone. :)
 
There is also growing hostility towards Apple Inc as a corporation.

When in fact the exact opposite is happening. Or are you using the belly-achers in Apple forums as a barometer? Big mistake.

Apple is the darling of the tech industry, the music industry, the publishing industry, and they play pretty good with consumers as well given their satisfaction ratings, record quarters, and increasing popularity of Apple products. Apple is selling more of everything these days, and consumers just can't stop lining up for more. There is a veritable Apple-frenzy going on.
 
So he should buck up and buy a phone that is missing a feature he needs? Should we all be forced to buy an iPhone because Steve Jobs is your god? :confused:

You're a silly person. Point to where I said he should buy it if it didn't do what he needed.

And I think Jobs is a prick, and have bought three things from Apple since I began buying electronics 15 years ago (a computer in 1999, iPods in 2004 and 2008). Thanks, though, for being silly.
 
No, that is not multitasking. Can you listen to Pandora and check your e-mail? No. That would be multitasking.

Pandora in the background is one example of multitasking. The iPhone OS currently multitasks. It does not allow third party apps to run in the background.

Not natively

Yes. It does. Safari can stream audio in the background.

Not without jailbreaking, unless you're talking about the method via Safari, which most services do not support.

Features only available via jailbreaking do not count as features.

I was not referring to jailbreaking. Background streaming of audio through Safari is a feature of the iPhone OS. The fact that Pandora doesn't take advantage of this feature doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
 
Clearly Android represents the most substantial threat to iPhone yet probably because it actually *only* seems to be taking market share from Apple and nobody else - that seems to be a great shame. I think we should actually stop a moment and remember how bl**dy great it was that Apple gave us the iPhone because prior to that all we had was a crappy Moto Razr.

How quickly we forget...

I personally preferred it when Apple and Google were united because only Microsoft wins when Apple and Google eat each others lunch.

It's a mess - let's hope Apple keep it together otherwise it's back to the dark ages of the 1990's when crap was in vogue

Am i the only one who was using a smartphone prior to the iPhone? Hell, i had multiple phones before my smartphone that **** all over the Razr. Again, goes to show you market share means nothing to quality (not insulting the iPhone but more making a point).

Seriously..I miss my Sanyo M1 haha.

Haha.

Now I have to disagree with you on the flashlight. You can use some kind of screen-whitening app to brighten up the screen and wave it around, but its nowhere near the brightness of the flash piece on my phone. :)
Or my video light when I record video on my phone.
 
I will agree that Apple and LG BOTH did a lot of R&D around the same time.

As have other companies.

And the PRADA was only sold in Asia for the start.

"Check it Apple, LG just went official with their iPhone look-a-like LG KE850 Prada phone which they proudly tout as the world's "first completely touch screen mobile phone." Er, unless you consider the ones from Motorola, HTC, and others. Still, this is more than likely a dig at the iPhone which they can rightly make since the KE850 will hit select mobile shops and PRADA stores in the UK, France, Germany and Italy at the end of February and parts of Asia before March is through. Sadly, the KE850 is a non starter for the US market since this version is limited to tri-band GSM 900/1800/1900 with EDGE data. "

But still it reached market before the iphone, so that means that LG was in a latter stage of the production cycle than apple was at the time and I think the original argument was that the prada copied the iphone which clearly it did not (unless LG had some industrial spies working inside apple but that's a whole different story)
 
As long as the hardware is capable to do what I want, it's a feature to me, whether apple implemented it or a another developer.. just because your mac does not ship with toast, isn't it a feature of a mac to "use" toast.. it's software.. of course it's a feature..

If your iPhone breaks and Apple repalces it, and you get one of the newest 3GS models with the currently un-jailbreakable basebands, then that "feature" is no longer there. That's why it's not a feature.

Your Mac can break and be replaired or replaced, but Toast will still work.

Pandora in the background is one example of multitasking. The iPhone OS currently multitasks. It does not allow third party apps to run in the background.



Yes. It does. Safari can stream audio in the background.



I was not referring to jailbreaking. Background streaming of audio through Safari is a feature of the iPhone OS. The fact that Pandora doesn't take advantage of this feature doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

Oh, so multitasking exists, it's just heavily restricted. Much better :rolleyes:
 
What is very funny to see here, is that if any company files a case against apple a lot of people getting angry ( I know this is a Apple forum but not one for the blind or mad :))
If Apple is filing a case against other companies it is OK, whatever the reason is.
I think every company has the same rights ......!!!!!

Welcome to MacRumors, where if anything is in Apple's favor it's a positive (regardless of the actual net result) and if anything is against Apple it is a negative (regardless of the net result). You'll find a handful of people who are pretty good at keeping their bias to a minimum, but for the most part you're going to encounter a significant number of fan boys and die hards who can see no wrong in any of Apple's actions.

edit: You should note that it's just not MacRumors, any Apple fan site will likely be like this, but MacRumors is the only one I bother with anymore really. The community has changed pretty significantly since 2004, that's for sure!
 
Haha.

Now I have to disagree with you on the flashlight. You can use some kind of screen-whitening app to brighten up the screen and wave it around, but its nowhere near the brightness of the flash piece on my phone. :)

point taken. I also had a phone with a "hardware" flashlight.. it was surprisingly useful in the dark ;) anyway, it is enough for my usage patterns.. find the way to bed without stumbling across my cloth ;) and that kind of stuff ;)
 
well you just listed 4 "features" ROFL.

flashlight..woop dee doo

I can't tell you how many times I've tried to use my iPhone as a flashlight at work. People put their equipment in the strangest places. It would have been a nice feature to have.
 
Clearly Android represents the most substantial threat to iPhone yet probably because it actually *only* seems to be taking market share from Apple and nobody else - that seems to be a great shame. I think we should actually stop a moment and remember how bl**dy great it was that Apple gave us the iPhone because prior to that all we had was a crappy Moto Razr.

How quickly we forget...

I personally preferred it when Apple and Google were united because only Microsoft wins when Apple and Google eat each others lunch.

It's a mess - let's hope Apple keep it together otherwise it's back to the dark ages of the 1990's when crap was in vogue

It feels like Apple is making enemies with everyone recently. Granted it is highly inflated by media releases / opinion. It sounds like Intel, Google, M$, and many small companies are after the great Apple.

Hopefully current alliances can grow, and be maintained.
 
I can't tell you how many times I've tried to use my iPhone as a flashlight at work. People put their equipment in the strangest places. It would have been a nice feature to have.

now that really makes me want to buy an Android phone.
 
Oh, so multitasking exists, it's just heavily restricted. Much better :rolleyes:

If listening to music on Pandora and doing other things at the same time is important to you, you should (and have) bought another device. Congratulations. :) It isn't important to 99.3% of people (check the number of Pandora users against people who use their own library or stream via the built-in player on the iPhone and Touch). Why so bitter about something that makes sense for most of Apple's target market, and which doesn't affect you because you've found a device you like? :)
 
If your iPhone breaks and Apple repalces it, and you get one of the newest 3GS models with the currently un-jailbreakable basebands, then that "feature" is no longer there. That's why it's not a feature.

Your Mac can break and be replaired or replaced, but Toast will still work.

it seems we have different definitions of what a feature is. just because it's not featured "out of the box" by apple, multitasking/backgrounding etc. are still features to me.. apple purposely restricted the use of those features, but that doesn't make them hacks or anything like that.. if u use the parental control to block the use of youtube,... youtube is still a feature of you phone, isn't it?
 
Yes, it is quite funny and eyeroll-worthy that thousands of different people on an internet forum have differing opinions on differing topics, thereby making your strawmen and broad brushes more difficult to employ.

For the record, I didn't post in the HDMI thread (didn't even look at it, don't care, don't ever use display output when I'm not at work). But I will say that your strawman is not only a strawman, it's also a poor argument. Having one type of port but not another when there is an adapter to solve the problem doesn't really mean anything, except that you have to spend money on the adapter (and pay enough to get one that isn't crap). Having extra features that necessitate added complexity system-wide for something that most of your users won't need or want is an entirely different sort of tradeoff; it's actively obstructive from an interface perspective.

Three points.

First, the multitasking in Android is in no way obstructive to ease of use or to the interface. This is because it's entirely transparent to the user. A user who understands what's going on can use it to his advantage, while a user who knows nothing about multitasking can use the phone in the same way an iPhone user would and will never notice the difference. "It just works," and it works beautifully.

Second, I wasn't trying to set up a straw man. I actually would agree with you that there are different users with different opinions and that they can conflict, agree, etc. etc. My point was somewhat related to this. Basically, I was just saying that the argument "it's not something most people will use, so it's not important" is not a good one, and as evidence pointing out people making the same argument the other way about a different issue. Sure, there are differences of opinion, but the point is that "not all people will use it so it's not better" is not a good argument against it.

Now, it may be if your other point held - that it was a usability trade off, but it's not.

And this leads into my third point: requiring an adaptor in order to use what has become an industry standard interface is a usability issue. As has been pointed out in the other thread, adaptors get lost, the get forgotten, they are an extra cost, they take up extra carrying space, and so on. Of course, I don't think all of these things are a big deal (they take up a few inches of space in a bag - not a big deal In my opinion), but some of themare. If you are trying to give a presentation before a client or a classroom and there is only a VGA or and HDMI port on the projector - as is about 95% likely - and suddenly you find you've lost or forgotten your adaptor - major usability problem!
 
I bought my phone for the same reasons you bought yours. (i'm assuming you are an educated consumer).
The same reasons? That's probably doubtful. I bought my iPhone more for the way it implemented the solutions and less because of the features I needed or realized it lacked. No phone was going to provide me with every feature I desired so instead I paid attention to how the solutions to the problems of a smartphone were implemented.
 
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