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Interesting... first time I've seen them.
Thx.
Star Trek movies for starters..
The LCARS interface on TNG/DS9/Voyager.
The whole LCARS interface is based on touch control, both contact and gesture (sliding fingers).
Granted it's all movie magic, but the concepts we see today were there in the 1980's.
Did any of them have swipe to unlock? That was your specific contention, not generic "touch control".
I am a trek-geek and I don't recall ever seeing anyone switch from a locked PADD to an unlocked PADD by swiping a particular pattern on the screen.
In what episode was each step of the following demonstrated?
1. A method of controlling an electronic device with a touch-sensitive display, comprising: detecting contact with the touch-sensitive display while the device is in auser-interface lock state; moving an unlock image along a predefined displayed path on the touch-sensitive display in accordance with the contact, wherein the unlock image is a graphical, interactive user-interface object with which a user interacts inorder to unlock the device; transitioning the device to a user-interface unlock state if the detected contact corresponds to a predefined gesture; and maintaining the device in the user-interface lock state if the detected contact does not correspondto the predefined gesture.
no matter how many times you chew, or how many times you read history, which part of copying code line by line do you guys want to dispute?
Is the Ignore function for MacRumors as broken as the one for AppleInsider, in that ignored post headers still show up in the thread, but with the content hidden?
I wouldn't know how it works on MR, since I have no one on my Ignore List. I have this thing about dealing with the conversation or debate as it comes (i.e., "manning up.") People who actually deserve to be on an Ignore List are usually dealt with by the mods in due course.
Which part of "it isn't stolen if the owner allowed you to use it" do you want to dispute?
No offense, but this is about the third time in this thread you've abused the plain meanings of words. A person might start to get some ideas.
Ok, try to understand this: Apple worked jointly with the FreeBSD Foundation.
Read it again, and so should everyone else:
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/9367966/
Why not ask this guy:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/12/simon-aldous-windows-7-in_n_355043.html
http://www.osnews.com/story/22480/Microsoft_Manager_We_Copied_the_Mac_OS_X_Look-and-Feel
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/microsoft_manager_we_copied_max_os_x
http://www.findmysoft.com/news/It-s-Official-Microsoft-Copied-Mac-s-Looks-and-Feel/
The guy didn't even work on Windows 7.
From http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/wi...-designed-the-look-and-feel-of-windows-7.aspx :
Well the original poster never said anything about a PADD, just the LCARS system. Now, I can't say I recall any LCARS using the technique, but I do vaguely recall seeing it in alien computer systems, and for some reason Voyager is coming to mind.
Sorry. Cat's outta the bag. Aldous is an MS employee who admitted to what we've all suspected (and understood as an unwritten truism for years.)
When an MS employee actually comes right out, names the competition, praises them, and then goes on to say how his company was "inspired" by it, you know that the conversation around his company at some point revolved around "how can we rip off OS X without actually getting nailed for it?" Especially possible when the conversation at whichever level involved working out how to screw over Netscape and how to falsify video to present at court.
Aldous didn't just make this stuff up and praise Apple out of nowhere. This discourse was going on around MS.
MS' backpedaling on the issue is half-hearted damage-control. Too late.
LOL, "windowsteamblog." Exactly.
On the other hand, how important is what actually happens when someone swipes the finger? In other words, if someone used/patented the swipe to do action "A" can someone realistically have a good claim for patenting swipe for action "B". While locking/unlocking is a somewhat special action but still it's just one action the device can do. Nothing more to it.
LTD, how can you expect people to understand this when they haven't understood the same principle for years now with Macs and OS X? Go figure...
Copying code line by line != stealing, especially when you have permission (via licensing) from the copyright holder.
I would like you to show me how smart phones looked like before 30th of June 2007 and how they look like now.
Anyone who thinks no one is copying the iPhone software is either delusional or is suffering from a severe brain damage. Sh*t, show me a phone before 2007 that did multi-finger gestures to manipulate UI elements in an easy and natural way. Rubber banding of a list of items when it hits the edge? The fact is, in the past 3 years some UI implementations have been lifted as-is from the iPhone and implanted into other phones.
It really doesn't matter who did what first (e.g MS surface). What is a fact, is that once the iPhone was out, every single phone maker started making something similar. Whether those "iPhone killers" are better or not is irrelevant.
I was expecting something along the lines of needing to be an artist or lacking imagination.LTD, how can you expect people to understand this when they haven't understood the same principle for years now with Macs and OS X? Go figure...
LTD, how can you expect people to understand this when they haven't understood the same principle for years now with Macs and OS X? Go figure...
It's interesting to note, however, that the Average User understands it perfectly with the iPod Touch and iPhone. The Mac as well, given the proportional barriers to the Premium end of the market, like the $1000 entry-fee. The industry seems to understand it as well, but only to the extent that they're trying to copy it, without actually understanding the principles behind it. They sure like to write about it, though!
Fine. I said "PADD" just to be cute. But I never saw anybody swipe to unlock. And the poster said he saw this all the time in the movies. So I'm asking for at least one specific occurrence. Because otherwise I say it didn't happen.
I was going to reply to each and every BS point you raised with facts...but on second thought, no, I'd rather not...
I don't recall any specific episode off the top of my head, but I swear I've seen unlock sequences on more than one occasion where a button (GUI element) was dragged across a screen to enable the screen.
You could be asking one of two questions.
1) if A is generic, and B is specific, can I get a patent on B even though A is known?
Answer: Yes, but not vice versa.
2) If A is known, and B is not quite the same as A, when does a prevent B from being patented?
Answer: That all depends on whether it would be obvious to a person having ordinary skill in the art at the time of the invention to modify A to produce B. It's a complicated analysis that takes into account many factors, but my gut feel is that this was not obvious, mainly because despite lots of uses of touchscreens before iPhone, no one seems to have done swipe-to-unlock.