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Safety is fine. I use tons of side-loaded apps on my Mac. The way scammers tried to fool me was with Notification Center popups from shady websites pretending to be messages from macOS. And Apple did nothing to shut them down.

“Ask You” pop-up virus
Still wouldn't do it. If you want it, fine. But I'm done with side loaders. (Years of doing it and having performance and other issues occur because of those side loaders (yes, I knew what was doing)) have invested enough money these days not to be cheap with my devices unsafe to them? Apple makes it safe as I said before. But if it's not, no ty.
 
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Just wait until exploits for individual browsers start hitting iOS.

That would still be a larger number of targets to successfully break than having only Safari. Furthermore, exploits aside, alternative browser can have more sophisticated anti-malware and content-blocking capabilities.

As example one of the most popular content blockers, ublock origin, works the best on Firefox due to the more powerful capabilities available on that browser.
 
That would still be a larger number of targets to successfully break than having only Safari. Furthermore, exploits aside, alternative browser can have more sophisticated anti-malware and content-blocking capabilities.

As example one of the most popular content blockers, ublock origin, works the best on Firefox due to the more powerful capabilities available on that browser.
This entire App Store and sideloading forced regulations opens up attack vectors we have yet to see. Where there’s an opportunity criminals will step up to the plate.
 


Apple today filed a legal challenge against the European Union's Digital Markets Act ahead of the impending requirement to enable app sideloading on its devices (via Reuters).

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The Digital Markets Act (DMA), which came into effect on November 1, 2022, requires "gatekeeper" companies to open up their services and platforms to other companies and developers. The DMA will have a significant impact on Apple's platforms and it could result in the company being forced to make major changes to the ‌App Store‌, Messages, FaceTime, Siri, and more. For example, Apple will be obliged to enable users to "sideload" apps from outside the App Store. The company appears to have already put preparations in place to acquiesce to this demand in early 2024.

Apple's new legal case takes issue with specific decisions taken by the European Commission under the DMA, but the exact details of the challenge have not yet been publicized. The case is expected to include an argument against the App Store being included on the EU's list of gatekeeper platforms, which requires app sideloading to be an option to allow users to avoid the App Store if they wish. In a statement at the time, Apple told Bloomberg, "We remain very concerned about the privacy and data security risks the DMA poses for our users." Meta and TikTok have filed similar appeals disputing the European Commission's inclusion of their services.

Article Link: Apple Files Legal Challenge Against EU Law as Sideloading Requirement Looms
Baby, let the games begin! The hissy fit games, that is 😂
 
This entire App Store and sideloading forced regulations opens up attack vectors we have yet to see. Where there’s an opportunity criminals will step up to the plate.

That's true even without sideloading and multiple vectors. Criminals now have a huge incentive in targeting a browser like Safari because they know every iOS user has no other browser option.
 
I could see Apple require a developer account to use Xcode. Then require using Xcode requiring the use of the App Store. So if your app is to be side loaded, you are on your own.
It wouldn't be entirely bad if you could compile iOS apps without Xcode (which would be required to avoid crossing the DMA lines if Apple were to do what you said)
 
You can't "simply jailbreak" any phone these days.
ARM secure boot with a signed bootloader is hard to break. There is a reason why there aren't any current jailbreaks or exploits for Apple and Samsung phones.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a customer owning their device and being able to install apps from wherever they choose. This is about money for Apple.

Support isn't an issue, because they can always say "reset to factory and only use supported apps for support".

There is no inherent risk to your personal information. Frankly my Mac isote of a concern for theft of information. I have my whole financial life ony Mac. I have tax returns, paystubs, W2, investment information along with logins for everything. My phone does not have nearly the volume of financial information that's on my Mac.
You are technically savvy enough to not have your information taken from your Mac. Even though many other types of privacy information can be taken from you. Companies know to much about us as it is and I don’t see the value in letting them have even more ways to collect it.

You are also looking at your experience and only thinking of yourself. Go into a Best Buy or an Apple Store and see all the people who are having issues with their personal computers and even Macs. Some are just confused on what it happening or have real damage. Others are victims of scams and data harvesting. So while your experience has been otherwise good, many more people who are not as knowledgeable as you and others, have had very bad experiences and thats with things like certificates in place.

Why should folks who enjoy the walled garden experience Apple created take down there security so people can install 3rd party apps that I agree many will be just fine and work great and also many will be horrible and misleading and will try to get at their information and anybody else‘s information on it?
 
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Sideloading is fine as long as users are required to make a choice in their iPhone Terms and Conditions to not hold Apple responsible for [...] security/privacy intrusions.
So you imply that iOS is absolutely not a secure system and the only way Apple has maintained the illusion of security is by limiting the App Store?

(I know how iOS actually works by the way, it's a rhetorical question)
 
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If you feel that way. At any time. You can leave the platform.

nope. MY device will do what I want. If Apple doesn't like this, they should ban me from giving them money.

This entire App Store and sideloading forced regulations opens up attack vectors we have yet to see. Where there’s an opportunity criminals will step up to the plate.

they are already calling from inside of the house.
 
Many have observed and commented that the side loading supporters on forums also have a history of posting about torrents, downloading pirate apps and generally want everything for free and get sucked into scams.

They know zilch about security or the horrors that can happen. They just think about themselves and what they can get for free.

When their phones are compromised then all their contacts will be stolen by cyber criminals and their families and friends become the next targets.
 
This entire App Store and sideloading forced regulations opens up attack vectors we have yet to see. Where there’s an opportunity criminals will step up to the plate.

They are already getting ready. They are already bribing EU and UK politicians and their parties. Those cyber criminals have been sending 'donations' for ages. That's why almost zero laws against phishing scams, crypto crimes and fake accounts on social media.
 
So you imply that iOS is absolutely not a secure system and the only way Apple has maintained the illusion of security is by limiting the App Store?

(I know how iOS actually works by the way, it's a rhetorical question)

I have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm guessing you're trying to project your views onto me, for some reason.
 
I have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm guessing you're trying to project your views onto me, for some reason.
As I already wrote in the post you quoted, I know how iOS is a containerized system. I know Apple has designed a rather secure OS, and that won't change with sideloading. If new vulnerabilities are discovered, they'll be fixed and lead to an even more secure system than it would've been otherwise.

Your suggestion, on the other hand, leaks a fundamental distrust in the programming behind iOS, wanting Apple to not take responsibility for any holes that arise from having third party apps.
 
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