Those companies are not currently listed as gatekeepers for their gaming division. If they ever do, they will have to submit to the same legislation. Simple as.
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Apple Files Legal Challenge Against EU Law as Sideloading Requirement Looms
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It’s still android lol. I have used all flavors of android. From the early cupcake/donut/eclare and so forth.
I was the first to own a g1. The first Moto and htc droids. I even had the first 3d android phones and I think I owned up to the galaxy s4. Almost all nexus devices.
I even had the first foldable phone (Kyocera echo) back in 2011 and the PlayStation android phone.
My last phone i actively used was the Galaxy s22.
Im not some apple diehard fan girl. I actually have used android since its inception up until 2022.
No matter the flavor the operating system is still android and it still sucks. It just feels like an OS that is capable of doing everything but does almost nothing good lol.
Yay customization, I guess
iOS with its limitations is a stronger Os with a stronger ecosystem and i hope apple isn’t forced to destroy the ecosystem aka Microsoft in the old days.
Now if you want to call me a fangirl…I’m definitely one to say windows Phone is better than iOS and android lol
You miss the point. At what point is there a limit. Why does Microsoft need to open up its store for its platform.
It’s no different than if I go to a bar. Why am I obligated to VIP section if I don’t pay for VIP but others do. I’m not obligated to their bottle service if I’m not a part of the vip. Simply because I can’t afford or choose not to pay for vip that means the bar has to give me vip?
The limit is anti-competitive and monopolistic behaviour. The governing powers in the EU aren't putting a list of brands on a wall and dart them to pick their list, they actually have investigations and receive reports from citizens & organisations about said behaviour. If corporations don't want to make the list as gatekeepers, it's easy, just don't engage in said behaviour. It can't be that hard, hundred of thousands corporations not on that list are already de facto abiding.
Hope that clears it up.
Is that all? I thought it was 83,000.0 thousand citizens. Mine looks like a bigger number.
So the US should view this as the opening salvo of a trade war?
Great, just what the world needs right now...
What is monopolistic about iMessage a software DESIGNED for iOS products that has no major market share. This isn’t windows vs Mac.
What is monopolistic about lightning port?
The App Store side loading is a bit of a grey area.
I personally think the Eu is overstepping already and it’s annoying I’m being affected by something from a government I’m not even affiliated with lol
And in most of EU this is impossible because of digital banking systems are used to login making it kind of redundant when better banking security eliminates this.
Functions very similar in principle how iPhone safe mode works in verifying who you’re contacting and that the E2EE isn’t compromised. Except it doesn’t work if don’t have access to both inputs simultaneously to verify it. It doesn’t matter if you download a fake banking app as they don’t have access to the bank’s encryption keys and certificates.
The lack of will to make it compatible feature-parity wise with non-iOS devices, which they are now forced to support with RCS.
LOL, seriously? It's a proprietary port that has mandatories royalties on any accessories sold with it, and can't be used on any phone other than an iPhone. It's as monopolistic as one can be.
Apple can choose to ship separate hardware for outside the EU market (as they already do in some, like USA (5G MMW, no sim tray) and China(Dual SIM)) to keep compliance within EU borders. They also have the freedom to ship a EU version for its software. They chose not to. I get the annoyance, but it's not our fault??? We are sovereign within our own borders, and we are not going to relinquish this and let foreign corporations do whatever the hell they want on our territory because some people are "annoyed it's impacting them".
I get most of my Mac applications from other sources as they are NOT available in the Mac App Store. It is not unlikely that the same will happen to the iPhone's App Store. If that happens, I will not have more options, just different options. I hope that that won't happen, but it's not very unlikely.
That is not how the term monopolistic works. Monopolistic would be if ONLY apple can make the products. Or they make increasingly difficult for others to make them. Third parties can make apple chargers. I’ve brought several over the years.
Again the product was never created with the intent for use on anything but apple products. That is not monopolistic.
Snapchat was designed for android and iOS. When windows phone was around it sucked that we couldn’t use the app but they shouldn’t be forced to make an app for windows phone because the EU deems everyone should be able to use it.
iMessage was a feature made for iOS. Should apple be forced to use RCS? Sure.
Should apple be forced to open up a product made for their products? No. That’s where the line needs to be drawn.
iMessage isn’t anticompetitive or monopolistic because it is made for iOS and it works within iOS.
So instead we (the majority) need to conform to you. Got you.
Well let’s hope this doesn’t backfire in your face ala trade wars. Actually. Let it. I would love to revisit the same argument later and laugh about the irony.
Nothing because it has zero to do with anything monopolistic. Strip the meaning of this word because it’s not what’s targeted. Eu do not care about monopolies or anything related to monopolies.
They care for:
- 1: are they dominating the market as classified in the foundational treaty of EU?
- Yes
- Proceed to step 2 .
- No
- Exit
- Yes
- Are they suspected of doing actions classified as abuse/ market harm?
- yes
- Proceed to step 3
- No
- Exit
- yes
- Investigate if they are doing harm
- Are the suspicions true?
- Send them a A cease and desist is a written notice demanding that the recipient immediately stop an illegal or allegedly illegal activity
- End task if successful
- Go to step 4
- Send them a A cease and desist is a written notice demanding that the recipient immediately stop an illegal or allegedly illegal activity
- Are the suspicions true?
- Make them Stop doing the behavior.
- have they stopped the abuse?
- Yes
- Exit
- No
- Repeat step 4
As I mentioned previously, Apple is responsible for porting those changes over to you.
I would advise to direct your anger to your local representative and tell them how bad this is impacting you. You can also contact Tim Cook directly by e-mail to let him know how this is unacceptable and leaving the EU market is the right thing to do.
Yes these laws are 30 years old.
The DMA is regulation implemented according to existing ex-post laws and from Supreme Court ruling supporting the conclusion for the implementation of ex-anti regulation that the actions are bad unless proven otherwise.
Doesn’t matter if you think they are the same when they are different products competing against each other.
Or would you say chrome and safari is the same because chrome is technically just a custom WebKit browser
you can purchase complete phones that are objectively superior along security criteria’s.
iOS and android are simply not competitors in any stretch of the imagination. Google have already tried using this as a defense for not being anti competitive with other android phones.
Well I would perhaps be an Apple fanboy as I have used iphone since 2010 and never been able to use android as I just hated how everything worked and the logic of the interface was horrible, even iOS modifications didn’t make it work. And just jailbreaking my iOS device instead to make it better for me.
Remember the old days of getting 4 apps in the dock, using the flash as a flashlight, internet sharing, maps to organise the games better.
Likely thousands of functions Apple have implemented over the years I used from cydia first. I have used every single one in this list.l😂
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How does it feel to be the tough guy on a sinking ship?
I don’t care if apple allows side loading or not. But if they do I hope we can place serious parental controls and/or enterprise policies to allow/block/restrict side loading, 3rd party stores, etc. and hopefully a valid Apple Dev cert is still required on all apps.
I’d rather the EU push for expandable storage like MicroSD card support
I’d rather the EU push for expandable storage like MicroSD card support
Me neither, that's why I never tried to jailbreak an iPhone. But if there is an official way to download a *.dmg right from the developer's website with a code-signed app you just need to drag to a link of the user's Applications folder, it couldn't be easier and safer. If iOS ever wants to become the productivity platform it could be, it's about time we get started. Otherwise Android could still win the OS war like Windows before.
I’m still waiting Apple to officially announce the withdraw from EU. What’s happening on that one?
Yet Apple still stays in EU. This says all. All bark, no bite.
That’s a boatload of imagination and speculation on this one issue. Amazing brainstorming I see.
Since EU has caused so much trouble, where is their announcement to withdraw from EU market?
Better yet, google and Microsoft also withdraw, alongside other bigger names. Excuse? Regulatory cost is too high to keep business afloat. Drastic measures to prompt drastic response.
Apple never truly care about enterprise market and device management in general. Their own device management tool is extremely robust but they refuse to release it to the public. To be fair, I am not involved in MDM much, but windows group policy feels so much better to use and to tinker with in comparison. macOS could be different but most BYOD happen on iPhone iPad more nowadays.I don’t care if apple allows side loading or not. But if they do I hope we can place serious parental controls and/or enterprise policies to allow/block/restrict side loading, 3rd party stores, etc. and hopefully a valid Apple Dev cert is still required on all apps.
I’d rather the EU push for expandable storage like MicroSD card support
why are some people so against sideloading?
it’s not like 3rd party apps will have access to much different APIs or that the current App Store doesn’t have scam apps.
it’s targeted at advanced users and the way it is literally buried on most operative systems you really need to know what you’re doing to install apps from alternative sources.
it’s not like 3rd party apps will have access to much different APIs or that the current App Store doesn’t have scam apps.
it’s targeted at advanced users and the way it is literally buried on most operative systems you really need to know what you’re doing to install apps from alternative sources.
Hmm I haven’t come across that. I might need to do some more research. Thanks
You mean you haven’t heard of unofficial cables not working, the official ones being so flimsy the skin peels off despite costing much more than unofficial ones, and of course the whole MFi fiasco?
IMHO you are actually correct that the term "monopolistic" is inappropriate. Note though that under EU regulation is not necessary to be a monopoly to be subject to anti-trust intervention: having significant enough market power is enough.
Said that, the goal of these measures is fostering interoperability between key operators in the market. The EU wants to foster interoperability as it's considered a key aspect of a competitive market and to the advantage of the end users.
In typical fashion the EU first observes whether the free market eventually converges to a desirable outcome on its own volition, if not it intervenes with legislation and regulation. They did exactly that with many other aspects since they did start with a much more fragmented "common market", the EU Members being independent countries with their own idiosyncrasies.
It's always debatable when and if it's appropriate for a government to intervene in the free market but note that no country recognizes a free market to be viable without government intervention and the advantages of interoperability are often proven to be significant.
All of them have been brainwashed by Apple and other big tech giants with fearmongering information and tons of "what if" so they are extremely scared without even knowing what they feared about.
Selective ignorance. Whenever Apple does something, whatever they are doing is right and users are always in the wrong. Somebody else does basically the same thing, it's the other way around.