Apple Files Legal Challenge Against EU Law as Sideloading Requirement Looms

[NEPOBABY]

All of them have been brainwashed by Apple and other big tech giants with fearmongering information and tons of "what if" so they are extremely scared without even knowing what they feared about.

BS.

There are tons of videos on YouTube from the Singaporean and Malaysian tech and financial news covering scam victims who were tricked into downloading scam apps and fake apps on to Android devices. Those tricks couldn't be done on an iPhone and the investigators and reporters demonstrated that.

These victims of scams are not dumb people. They were regular people, professionals and intelligent people. Scammers have a script to play for all kinds of victims, that's why they call it social engineering.

Anyone making excuses, gaslighting or advocating for this is 100% in bed with criminals and if they are not they will be eating their shoes for breakfast when they finally become victims themselves.

Remember, one compromised phone isn't only one compromised person. It's all their contacts too. Scammers threaten victims verbally, stating that their contacts will be brought into the scam and harassment.

 

[Samplasion]

BS.

There are tons of videos on YouTube from the Singaporean and Malaysian tech and financial news covering scam victims who were tricked into downloading scam apps and fake apps on to Android devices. Those tricks couldn't be done on an iPhone and the investigators and reporters demonstrated that.

These victims of scams are not dumb people. They were regular people, professionals and intelligent people. Scammers have a script to play for all kinds of victims, that's why they call it social engineering.

Anyone making excuses, gaslighting or advocating for this is 100% in bed with criminals and if they are not they will be eating their shoes for breakfast when they finally become victims themselves.

I don't get how you think this sort of name throwing is any good for your argument. It's as if I said "all those who want to limit sideloading are tyrants and dictators who want to erase freedom!" but worse.

 

[NEPOBABY]

The limit is anti-competitive and monopolistic behaviour. The governing powers in the EU aren't putting a list of brands on a wall and dart them to pick their list, they actually have investigations and receive reports from citizens & organisations about said behaviour.

The governing powers should investigate themselves for corruption. They allowed human traffickers and oligarchs to turn the whole continent into a playground for organised crime. Then half of the EU MEPs sold their backsides to Putin.

 

[Shirasaki]

BS.

There are tons of videos on YouTube from the Singaporean and Malaysian tech and financial news covering scam victims who were tricked into downloading scam apps and fake apps on to Android devices. Those tricks couldn't be done on an iPhone and the investigators and reporters demonstrated that.

These victims of scams are not dumb people. They were regular people, professionals and intelligent people. Scammers have a script to play for all kinds of victims, that's why they call it social engineering.

Anyone making excuses, gaslighting or advocating for this is 100% in bed with criminals and if they are not they will be eating their shoes for breakfast when they finally become victims themselves.

Remember, one compromised phone isn't only one compromised person. It's all their contacts too. Scammers threaten victims verbally, stating that their contacts will be brought into the scam and harassment.

Now making blank statement huh, never mind the fact that Android is far more popular than iOS outside of US and more people use Android in general. On top of that, Android updates tend to lag quite a bit compared to iOS counterparts, which would've mitigated some of those impacts. And you say they are smart, but they fall victim anyway. I say they are not smart enough and learned the lesson the hard way.

Oh yeah, let's also totally ignore fake apps, cryptos and scam apps rampaging throughout App Store while Apple does very little to correct them, while pretending App Store is a far better place than Google Play Store. Let's also ignore sample size bias among those news coverages with limited market and limited group of people.

 

[NEPOBABY]

Now making blank statement

The EU (including the cesspool UK government) itself is side loaded. Their border policies allowed them to be side loaded by oligarchs, money laundering and human trafficking, and distant landlords who have ripped off millions of citizens.

So no surprise they want the same crooks to get on your phones.

Oh yeah, let's also totally ignore fake apps, cryptos and scam apps rampaging throughout App Store

No.

They are more rampant on Android, for the side loading reason.

 

[bsolar]

They are more rampant on Android, for the side loading reason.

Easy solution: don't sideload. It's amazing how people can actually be responsible for their own decision, isn't it?

Almost as amazing as the faith some users put in a "curated" experience when the "curator" itself goes to the greatest lengths the laws allows to deny any responsibility for the result of said "curation".

 

[Shirasaki]

Easy solution: don't sideload. It's amazing how people can actually be responsible for their own decision, isn't it?

Almost as amazing as the faith some users put in a "curated" experience when the "curator" itself goes to the greatest lengths the laws allows to deny any responsibility for the result of said "curation".

Yeah. Maybe people just want to offload something they should've done themselves: mind their own business.
This reminds me of some parents today buy iPad to offload parenting responsibilities to big tech giants, only decades later wonder why their kids behave the way they cannot understand.
It's sad that Apple cannot establish their own city-state in USA, yet. I would love to see those fanatic Apple defenders move into such city-state and enjoy their curated life, free from outside influence.

 

[I7guy]

Yes these laws are 30 years old.

The DMA is regulation implemented according to existing ex-post laws and from Supreme Court ruling supporting the conclusion for the implementation of ex-anti regulation that the actions are bad unless proven otherwise.

So it's a thirty year old law that apple can't have their own app store. Or is it that the EU thread the needle with the app store and sideloading.

 

[Gudi]

Anyone making excuses, gaslighting or advocating for this is 100% in bed with criminals and if they are not they will be eating their shoes for breakfast when they finally become victims themselves.

There is literally no added security benefit of AppStore download versus side-loading. All iOS security features still apply.

And without the SEO of the AppStore algorithm, developers rely on word-of-mouth recommendations. This will lead to much better community filtering of actually useful apps than the trial-and-error approach of downloading from the AppStore.

Even if you search for an app on the AppStore by its full, correctly written name, it might still not show up as the first result. Nobody would use this terrible store, if it wasn’t mandatory.

 

[Gudi]

So it's a thirty year old law that apple can't have their own app store. Or is it that the EU thread the needle with the app store and sideloading.

Hindering competition was always illegal. This new Digital Markets Act is simply specifying some details, as these corporations are too dumb to understand their wrongdoing themselves.

 

[bsolar]

So it's a thirty year old law that apple can't have their own app store. Or is it that the EU thread the needle with the app store and sideloading.

The law, in the sense of the Digital Markets Act, is new, but the principles and rationales which is based on are quite old.

 

[I7guy]

The law, in the sense of the Digital Markets Act, is new, but the principles and rationales which is based on are quite old.

As in the United States as well.

 

[I7guy]

Hindering competition was always illegal. This new Digital Markets Act is simply specifying some details, as these corporations are too dumb to understand their wrongdoing themselves.

"Hindering competition" is a nebulous concept and in this case a wet finger in the air decided the app store was hindering competition. And while what's done is done, I don't have to get aboard and say this is good legislation... and the best way to describe it is to say the EU threaded the needed to snare Apple into some legislation that ultimately will have an overall detrimental affect.

 

[doolar]

Good.

Because these laws are being written by very corrupt bureaucrats who have been bribed by cyber criminals who have promised to donate portions of their criminal profits to political parties.

We saw what FTX did with the money.

We know that human traffickers and pig butchering scams do with crypto and support scams.

They all have to pay off police and politicians to continue their crimes.

They want side loading to happen because they want to target wealthier iPhone users not just poorer Android users.

They want to be able to trick thousands and thousands of people to download fake apps and scams apps and then use it to steal data and trick people into sending them money.

This is what it has all been about. Corruption and crime.

They need to weaken security to get away with it even more.

Anyone who disagrees is in with the scammers and crooks.

I didn’t get my lasagna yesterday. You see I was all out of aluminium foil so I ventured out to get some. Lo and behold every single store was sold out. Now I know who bought it all. 😊

I’m all for side loading, but a lot of people who’re not power users or tech savvy will be at risk.

 

[bsolar]

"Hindering competition" is a nebulous concept and in this case a wet finger in the air decided the app store was hindering competition. And while what's done is done, I don't have to get aboard and say this is good legislation... and the best way to describe it is to say the EU threaded the needed to snare Apple into some legislation that ultimately will have an overall detrimental affect.

There is definitely room for debate on the matter: different people have different opinion on the level of intervention that is appropriate in a given situation, if at all.

Said that, the regulation is not specifically addressing Apple but in general addressing the largest and most influential digital platforms. Apple is likely more affected because Apple tends to have a more closed ecosystem, which goes contrary to the very goal of the regulation, but the same rules affecting Apple will affect the other platforms involved in the regulation.

It's also a little soon to state with certainty whether the end result will be detrimental or not. These kinds of regulation can definitely have detrimental effects, but can also have positive effects.

I remember the negative posts when Apple was forced through regulation to ditch the lightning port and replace it for USB-C and now the newest iPhones have UBS-C and my personal experience is quite positive. Having the iPhone 15 with USB-C is definitely more convenient and without regulation that might not have happened.

 

[I7guy]

There is definitely room for debate on the matter: different people have different opinion on the level of intervention that is appropriate in a given situation, if at all.

Said that, the regulation is not specifically addressing Apple but in general addressing the largest and most influential digital platforms. Apple is likely more affected because Apple tends to have a more closed ecosystem, which goes contrary to the very goal of the regulation, but the same rules affecting Apple will affect the other platforms involved in the regulation.

It's also a little soon to state with certainty whether the end result will be detrimental or not. These kinds of regulation can definitely have detrimental effects, but can also have positive effects.

I remember the negative posts when Apple was forced through regulation to ditch the lightning port and replace it for USB-C and now the newest iPhones have UBS-C and my personal experience is quite positive. Having the iPhone 15 with USB-C is definitely more convenient and without regulation that might not have happened.

Yes, the needle is threaded to address a very popular platform, and I’m for voting with your $$$ if you want to sideload etc.

As far as usb-c similar comments apply.

 

[iHorseHead]

I agree with you. And I hope they do.

The EU is one of the richest continents when it comes to income per capita. They won't.

 

[Shirasaki]

Hindering competition was always illegal. This new Digital Markets Act is simply specifying some details, as these corporations are too dumb to understand their wrongdoing themselves.

No, more like they selectively refuse to admit their wrongdoings, and throw money at the correct people enough times until problem is fixed. We call that lobbying.

 

[Shirasaki]

The EU is one of the richest continents when it comes to income per capita. They won't.

But without Apple quitting EU those anti-sideloader will never be satisfied.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

So it's a thirty year old law that apple can't have their own app store. Or is it that the EU thread the needle with the app store and sideloading.

It’s 30 year old law what actions constitutes anti competitive and how a dominant position is estimated.

Or do you not understand the legal concept of ex-anti and ex-post?

 

[I7guy]

It’s 30 year old law what actions constitutes anti competitive and how a dominant position is estimated.

Or do you not understand the legal concept of ex-anti and ex-post?

Disagreement of government policies and understanding can go hand in hand. I’m not a spokesperson for EU policies.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

BS.

There are tons of videos on YouTube from the Singaporean and Malaysian tech and financial news covering scam victims who were tricked into downloading scam apps and fake apps on to Android devices. Those tricks couldn't be done on an iPhone and the investigators and reporters demonstrated that.

These victims of scams are not dumb people. They were regular people, professionals and intelligent people. Scammers have a script to play for all kinds of victims, that's why they call it social engineering.

Anyone making excuses, gaslighting or advocating for this is 100% in bed with criminals and if they are not they will be eating their shoes for breakfast when they finally become victims themselves.

Remember, one compromised phone isn't only one compromised person. It's all their contacts too. Scammers threaten victims verbally, stating that their contacts will be brought into the scam and harassment.

And super duper irrelevant. Eu have different realities. Stop using inferior security standards as an excuse in markets with actual security measures in place.

 

[I7guy]

And super duper irrelevant. Eu have different realities. Stop using inferior security standards as an excuse in markets with actual security measures in place.

Think it’s pending reality. It’s not a big leap to see porn apps, drug apps, sedition apps flourishing on iOS with these “new wonderful” regulations.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

Disagreement of government policies and understanding can go hand in hand. I’m not a spokesperson for EU policies.

Sure you can have a disagreement, but 100% of the issues you mentioned and identified are legally anchored in decade old legislation and not new.

And you obsess over monopolies, I’m sorry that USA care so much about monopolies, but here nobody cares about monopolies. If apple, Microsoft google etc etc had 100% of the market we wouldn’t care at all because it’s not illegal.

 

[M3gatron]

Time to put a stop to this tyranny and exit the EU market! They won't have an app store to sell apps in if these bureaucrats get their way!

Well I really hope they do it. It would be fascinating to see what would be the outcome for a tech company to exit one of the largest and richest markets in the world, where they've been doing business for decades and are very well established. The outcome both financially and from a PR stand point. I suspect it would be a disaster for Apple but it would be still be interesting to watch.

To me it's fascinating to see how users on this site (especially those that live in the US) think that Apple is this huge power that should be above the law and can buy whatever company they want (I've seen suggestions Apple should buy Microsoft or Samsung 🤣) do whatever they want, well with 1 limitation: China. The discussions about fighting new legislations are more lit only when it's about the EU because if its about China and the largest Communist Party in the present well... Apple executes any demand immediately with no complain and those that accuse EU here, will defend Apple when they execute CCP's demands which is really funny. Also you won't se many "Apple should pull out of China" suggestions. The logic is simple, you do business in a country or region, they make the rules, pure and simple, your internal goals, culture and filosofy for making profit doesn't mean anything in front of the law. And honestly I'm glad EU is more proactive in protecting their consumers and it's especially vizibile in the food sector where countless more products in the EU vs US are banned for proven use of substances that harm the health of those that consume them. EU is also very proactive with recycling and improving the carbon footprint. Yeah its annoying, makes a lot of things more complicated but in the long term it will be beneficial.