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You seem to care a whole bunch about innovation in the EU, for someone that doesn't sound like they live or do business there.
It’s not relevant whether I
I'm very happy to not be forced to use the Mac AppStore or MSStore on PC's.

Without an enforced AppStore i can...

Install Tools like brew.sh
Buy and perform Software Upgrades.
Install older Software Versions to be compatible with existing development pipelines
Install Plugins for Software
Install Drivers or alternative Drivers
Install Development Versions of unreleased Software
Install OpenSource Software
etc.

Didn't have a single security issue on any of my hardware all these years.

Once a year I even install malware on purpose to test my infrastructure and see if my honey pot devices are still working as intended.

Computers does not only exist to make selfies and post on social platforms.
how about don’t use the mac or iPhone or any apple product. Use a product that supports what you want to do. It’s called vote with your $$$. But I guess the expectation is the EU will regulate regulate that, that shouldn’t be regulated.
 
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You've really bought into the American exceptionalism ********, haven't you? You seem to like spouting off this same talking point with every second post. Perhaps you may think that smartphones and fart apps are the only "digital computing" markets that matter, but only a complete fool would think that there is no tech sector in the EU.
He's not talking about American exceptionalism, he's talking about the lack of EU market leaders in the tech sphere generally, because it's stifled by the Eurocrats in Brussels.
There is off course ASML (You do know who they are?), which has a monopoly in one sector and that Monopoly hasn't been touched by the EU or it's law makers....go figure!
 
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Conversely; Governments should run their markets however they want. The whole thing is stupid
Honestly, where does this kind of rubbish come from?

Companies can do what they want IN THEIR OWN JURISDICTION, and even then limits are placed upon them, (or should be), to protect the consumer.
The EU wasn't all that concerned about protecting their consumers for the previous 12 years the App Store was around!
 
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Same as with the Mac. Most apps are not on Mac Store and we are fine.



Only theoretically, many developers will not make their apps available in App Store, in fact what happens when none of them will?
Where's you security blanket then?
Not many people have thought this through, certainly not the EU 😡
 
It’s not relevant whether I

how about don’t use the mac or iPhone or any apple product. Use a product that supports what you want to do. It’s called vote with your $$$. But I guess the expectation is the EU will regulate regulate that, that shouldn’t be regulated.
So why can’t I run iOS apps on android?

Why can I just vote with my money on the hardware but not services? How do I tell apple the store is trash?

You don’t think that’s the ultimate vote if users buy iphones in droves but doesn’t want to use the AppStore?
He's not talking about American exceptionalism, he's talking about the lack of EU market leaders in the tech sphere generally, because it's stifled by the Eurocrats in Brussels.
There is off course ASML (You do know who they are?), which has a monopoly in one sector and that Monopoly hasn't been touched by the EU or it's law makers....go figure!
ASML isn’t covered by EU monopoly law because EU doesn’t have Monopoly laws.

EU laws doesn’t apply to territories outside the union. You should ask your government that question, but seems like it’s fine with it 🤪😂
 
Most comments on here aren't from Apple users
Most people commenting owns an apple device
And most buy iPhones because they are innovative. The problem is Apple isn’t innovative in their services.
Yeah, they tried that for skin cancer. The AI model learned that when there is a ruler on the photo, it’s more likely skin cancer. Very smart indeed. 📐

If your skin shows characteristics of a ruler then something is seriously wrong with it. And if a doctor can’t tell them you should move on 😂
 
Now making blank statement huh, never mind the fact that Android is far more popular than iOS outside of US and more people use Android in general. On top of that, Android updates tend to lag quite a bit compared to iOS counterparts, which would've mitigated some of those impacts. And you say they are smart, but they fall victim anyway. I say they are not smart enough and learned the lesson the hard way.

Oh yeah, let's also totally ignore fake apps, cryptos and scam apps rampaging throughout App Store while Apple does very little to correct them, while pretending App Store is a far better place than Google Play Store. Let's also ignore sample size bias among those news coverages with limited market and limited group of people.
Because the app store is way better than the Play store.
It is not saying that crap apps dont exist in the app store, it's saying that they exist far less than in the Android store.

Plus Android apps for whatever reason feel inferior to their IOS counterparts. Points to Snapchat.
 
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So why can’t I run iOS apps on android?
Why can’t you take a Porsche ecu and stick it in a Tesla?
Why can I just vote with my money on the hardware but not services? How do I tell apple the store is trash?
Vote with your $$$ and Follow up with an email. Of course, your opinion won’t matter but you will have the satisfaction of
Knowing you did the right thing.
You don’t think that’s the ultimate vote if users buy iphones in droves but doesn’t want to use the AppStore?
I think it’s the ultimate vote if users don’t buy iPhones.
ASML isn’t covered by EU monopoly law because EU doesn’t have Monopoly laws.

EU laws doesn’t apply to territories outside the union. You should ask your government that question, but seems like it’s fine with it 🤪😂
 
Why can’t you take a Porsche ecu and stick it in a Tesla?
Well you can, it will just not work and not because Tesla prevents you.

So if I want to install new weal covers on my Tesla that I bought from a non Tesla dealer, and every time I try to install them an invisible force field just keeps preventing any non approved accessories from being installed.

Why is the only alternative to buy a Lada?

Vote with your $$$ and Follow up with an email. Of course, your opinion won’t matter but you will have the satisfaction of
Knowing you did the right thing.
I am voting with my dollars and i emailed my representatives that I can’t install my pink wheel covers on my property.

And then I filed a complaint to the courts that I can’t sell my wheel covers to Tesla users because the can’t physically touch them because of some strange force field.

As they are interfering in my business opportunity.

And that I’m only allowed to sell it through official stores as long as they are pink. Any other color is rejected.
I think it’s the ultimate vote if users don’t buy iPhones.
It quite literally doesn’t say anything of value to apple. They prevent the proper functioning of the free market.

Oh people stoped buying iPhones? Was it bad cameras? Bad battery? Bad screen? Mad iMessage? Bad APIs? Who knows let’s ad extra emojis to increase sales
 
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Unrivalled Face ID
Apple Watch
Unrivalled Integration between devises
Best Camera system with 24 mega Pixel Photos as Standard
Automatic Portrait Mode
We could go on.......
I'm still hung up on the M chips. From M1 to M3 it's up to 2.5x faster depending on what you're doing.
We haven't even gotten the Ultras yet. It's even fast under Rosetta apps. There is nothing like this with either AMD or intel. If you would have told ANYONE 23 years ago that Apple would make the best processors in anything they would have laughed.

They literally own all 3nm production. WHAT? Not intel not AMD not Qualcomm, not Samsung, not IBM. Apple.
People seriously don't give Apple enough credit.
 
I'm still hung up on the M chips. From M1 to M3 it's up to 2.5x faster depending on what you're doing.
We haven't even gotten the Ultras yet. It's even fast under Rosetta apps. There is nothing like this with either AMD or intel. If you would have told ANYONE 23 years ago that Apple would make the best processors in anything they would have laughed.

They literally own all 3nm production. WHAT? Not intel not AMD not Qualcomm, not Samsung, not IBM. Apple.
People seriously don't give Apple enough credit.
Actually ASML is the only reason the M1-3 can exist. Apple isn’t deserving of the credit when they depend on the shoulders of giants. The exact same technology Intel, AMD , Samsung etc use to create the compact chips.

ARM a UK company provides the foundational technology to design the chips, TSMC a Taiwanese company provide the technical expertise to build the chips. And ASML a Dutch company provides the technical expertise to even print the circuitry of the chips
 
It quite literally doesn’t say anything of value to apple. They prevent the proper functioning of the free market.
The free marketed worked. And we only have Apple and Google left. People decided that.
In the EU, mostly Google, by a wide margin. Not even big Micro$oft could save Nokia to give the world a 3rd one.
And, I suspect if it keeps working the way it has. Google over time would get a larger share of the pie. It's not like they are not doing any innovations themselves. And you have so many phone options to choose from with that OS.

Apple's value is that they don't always conform to some "standard". They often go their own way. And to force them to open up and standardize is antithetical to what they are. They want to be a "choice" not something "similar" to others.
 
Actually ASML is the only reason the M1-3 can exist. Apple isn’t deserving of the credit when they depend on the shoulders of giants. The exact same technology Intel, AMD , Samsung etc use to create the compact chips.

ARM a UK company provides the foundational technology to design the chips, TSMC a Taiwanese company provide the technical expertise to build the chips. And ASML a Dutch company provides the technical expertise to even print the circuitry of the chips
C'mon man. Seriously. ASML doesn't design chips. They create the lithography machines. ARM (a company Apple invested in some time ago before any of these M chips existed) sells a license to anyone that wants to purchase it. Apple designs its own chips how it wants that is compatible with the ARM instruction set.

So no, I wouldn't agree that ASML is the only reason. The tech is needed to get to 3nm, but you can't just have that to get the chips you want. Everything else has to be in place for this to work. And Apple having a design is just as important as the next wheel in the cog.
 
The free marketed worked. And we only have Apple and Google left. People decided that.
In the EU, mostly Google, by a wide margin. Not even big Micro$oft could save Nokia to give the world a 3rd one.
The free market worked to do what? Do you think EU wants more competition than android and iOS? That’s not even on their radar. Remember EU don’t care if competition exist, they care that competition is possible by the meritocratic means.

The OS of a system is one factor of a million that people use to determine whether they purchase a phone or not.

Android and iOS aren’t competitors. AppStore and play store aren’t competitors.
Google RCS and iMessage isn’t competitors.
iOS Safari and chrome isn’t competitors.
Edge/internet explorer and safari isn’t competitors.
iPhone and Xbox isn’t competitors

Samsung galaxy and Apple iPhones are competitors.
WhatsApp and iMessage is competitors
WhatsApp and RCS are competitors.
Galaxy store and play store are competitors.
Mac Safari and chrome is competitors.

And this might sound strange and arbitrary, how can’t android and iOS not be competitors, or iOS safari and chrome?

Well the core reason is how a relevant market is understood and the meaning of competition is. And this was written in 1997 before the digital market was like today.

The relevant market combines the product market and the geographic market, defined as follows.

  • A relevant product market comprises all those products and/or services which are regarded as interchangeable or substitutable by the consumer by reason of the products’ characteristics, their prices and their intended use.
  • A relevant geographic market comprises the area in which the firms concerned are involved in the supply of products or services and in which the conditions of competition are sufficiently similar.
Once the product market and the geographic market have been defined, the Commission carries out a more detailed analysis based on the concept of substitutability. Firms subject to a competitive system must respect two major constraints: demand substitution and supply substitution. A market is competitive if customers can choose between a range of products with similar characteristics and if the supplier does not face obstacles to supplying products or services on that market.

The substitutability criterion enables research to be targeted on any substitute products, making it possible to define the relevant product market and geographic market with a greater degree of certainty. Only in the final stage is the relevant market analysed to determine the degree of integration in the EU’s markets.

The Commission therefore carries out an assessment of demand-side substitutability (i.e. of customers) and supply-side substitutability (i.e. of suppliers). In the first case, the question is whether customers for the product in question can readily switch to a similar product in response to a small but permanent price increase (of between 5% and 10%). In the second case, the question is whether other suppliers can readily switch production to the relevant products and sell them on the relevant market.

However, this criterion of substitutability does not take account of the conditions in which the firms in question operate. Therefore it is necessary, for instance, to examine the conditions of access to the defined market. In this regard, the Commission assesses the product dimension and the geographic dimension of the relevant market, taking account of the following elements.

  • The recent past. In certain cases, it is possible to analyse evidence relating to recent price variations, for example in terms of substitution between two products or in terms of the customer response.
  • The results of specific studies. It is possible to assess the elasticity of demand* for a product by means of econometric and statistical tests. It is also useful to assess the geographic market on the basis of factors which have an impact on local preferences (such as culture, language, etc.).
  • The views of customers and competitors. The Commission may contact the main customers and competitors of the firm in question to gather factual evidence and to evaluate their reaction in the event of price variations within the geographic area.
  • Consumer preferences.: The Commission may ask the firms in question for the market studies they carried out prior to launching a product on the market or setting its price. It may also compare the purchasing habits of customers on the relevant market with those of other customers on a separate geographic market where similar conditions prevail.
  • Barriers (regulatory or others) and costs associated with switching demand to other products or areas.
  • Different categories of customer and price discrimination. A distinct group of customers for the relevant product may itself constitute a narrower, distinct market when such a group could be subject to price discrimination.
Before drawing its conclusions, the Commission may consult the main firms in the sector on the limits of the product market and geographic market. Where appropriate, it may also carry out an on-the-spot inspection.

And, I suspect if it keeps working the way it has. Google over time would get a larger share of the pie. It's not like they are not doing any innovations themselves. And you have so many phone options to choose from with that OS.

Apple's value is that they don't always conform to some "standard". They often go their own way. And to force them to open up and standardize is antithetical to what they are. They want to be a "choice" not something "similar" to others.
Again EU don’t care about a standard, opening up the AppStore isn’t about standards. Apple can still go their own way but not harm the market. If Apple or google wins isn’t important.
C'mon man. Seriously. ASML doesn't design chips. They create the lithography machines. ARM (a company Apple invested in some time ago before any of these M chips existed) sells a license to anyone that wants to purchase it. Apple designs its own chips how it wants that is compatible with the ARM instruction set.

So no, I wouldn't agree that ASML is the only reason. The tech is needed to get to 3nm, but you can't just have that to get the chips you want. Everything else has to be in place for this to work. And Apple having a design is just as important as the next wheel in the cog.
Yet they are the only ones producing the (EUV) photolithography machines that are required to manufacture the most advanced chips. Without it Intel wouldn’t Be able to make their advanced chips

And their DUV lithography machines( the last generation ) are also world heading. Thera a reason why Intel buys from them and no American companies exist in the sector.

Apple designs their own chips in accordance the license allows them to.
 
And their DUV lithography machines ( the last generation ) are also world heading. Thera a reason why Intel buys from them and no American companies exist in the sector.
Let’s not forget that before ASML and their extreme ultraviolet (EUV) and deep ultraviolet (DUV) lithography machines, a couple of Japanese conglomerates controlled the market for chip making machines and frankly the entire electronics industry as a whole. This idea of American supremacy in all areas of high-tech is a nationalist phantasm. They are actually recovering from a long fall into irrelevancy.
 
just a reminder to everyone here, the Mac, which I assume many of us love, allows for Apps to be downloaded from the App Store, or from online with verification for security, but we are able to disable the verification. I feel very safe using my Mac. iPhone has to open up. I assume it will be similar to the Mac and hopefully everything will be OK or even better
Feeling safe by disabling the verification? Good luck!
 
Let’s not forget that before ASML and their extreme ultraviolet (EUV) and deep ultraviolet (DUV) lithography machines, a couple of Japanese conglomerates controlled the market for chip making machines and frankly the entire electronics industry as a whole. This idea of American supremacy in all areas of high-tech is a nationalist phantasm. They are actually recovering from a long fall into irrelevancy.
Well the big 5 in Silicon Valley are distorting the reality quite a lot of the actual value. S&P500 stays positive just from them.


One negative or positive thing depending on your perspective is the fact that government entities in EU are forced to follow the same rules and regulations as everyone else.

And can’t lean on the government to save them.
Feeling safe by disabling the verification? Good luck!
Well yes …? Some apps don’t have verification. I think steam isn’t signed
 
Well yes …? Some apps don’t have verification. I think steam isn’t signed

Steam is signed but as Identified Developer App:

Code:
% codesign --display -vv /Applications/Steam.app
Executable=/Applications/Steam.app/Contents/MacOS/steam_osx
Identifier=com.valvesoftware.steam
Format=app bundle with Mach-O thin (x86_64)
CodeDirectory v=20500 size=33475 flags=0x10000(runtime) hashes=1037+5 location=embedded
Signature size=9086
Authority=Developer ID Application: Valve Corporation (MXGJJ98X76)
Authority=Developer ID Certification Authority
Authority=Apple Root CA
Timestamp=23 Mar 2022 at 01:41:14
Notarization Ticket=stapled
Info.plist entries=18
TeamIdentifier=MXGJJ98X76
Runtime Version=11.1.0
Sealed Resources version=2 rules=13 files=35
Internal requirements count=1 size=180

Compare to a Mac App Store signed App:

Code:
% codesign --display -vv /Applications/NordVPN.app
Executable=/Applications/NordVPN.app/Contents/MacOS/NordVPN
Identifier=com.nordvpn.NordVPN
Format=app bundle with Mach-O universal (x86_64 arm64)
CodeDirectory v=20500 size=127423 flags=0x10000(runtime) hashes=3971+7 location=embedded
Signature size=4797
Authority=Apple Mac OS Application Signing
Authority=Apple Worldwide Developer Relations Certification Authority
Authority=Apple Root CA
Info.plist entries=34
TeamIdentifier=W5W395V82Y
Runtime Version=13.3.0
Sealed Resources version=2 rules=13 files=1642
Internal requirements count=1 size=220

In the MacOS settings the default is only to allow Mac App Store Apps, with the option to also allow Identified Developer Apps. The ability to run unsigned apps is not available in the Settings GUI.

I think running Apps without validation altogether is still possible by completely disabling Gatekeeper through the command-line, but it's very unlikely to be necessary in most use-case scenarios as most third-party applications from outside the Mac App Store are still signed by the developer.
 
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The free market worked to do what? Do you think EU wants more competition than android and iOS? That’s not even on their radar. Remember EU don’t care if competition exist, they care that competition is possible by the meritocratic means.
This doesn't make any sense. If the EU doesn't want competition, then there is no need for these rules. They know the will not get any more competitors such as M$, because they already tired and failed. So last resort is to "create" competition within the platform. For which, only Apple lacks this according to the EU. Since you can already side load on Android and install 3rd party stores, hack the thing to oblivion if you wish to. Plus, they are the leader within the EU. So, this to me sounds like we are targeting Apple.
The OS of a system is one factor of a million that people use to determine whether they purchase a phone or not.

Android and iOS aren’t competitors. AppStore and play store aren’t competitors.
Untrue. They compete for your purchases. From the hardware to the apps on the device.
Google RCS and iMessage isn’t competitors.
True as it is a standard. Like SMS or MMS. Just better.
iOS Safari and chrome isn’t competitors.
While nether charge anyone for the apps. They compete. Right now, Chrome is the world's most used browser. Both Apple and Google invite to entice their prospective users to use one over the other. Let's chock this up to friendly competition.
Edge/internet explorer and safari isn’t competitors.
Not anymore. But, again one went away and joined Chromium. So same core as Googles chrome browser. They can improve on it of course, but M$ would certainly prefer you use their browser over any other.
iPhone and Xbox isn’t competitors
Clearly as one is something you can take with you and the other well not to much. One is geared primarily for gaming other certainly "can" game but, not to the same levels.
Samsung galaxy and Apple iPhones are competitors.
Untrue, how can they not be? Your a customer, you choose which one you will purchase. They (Samsung and Apple) are in competition for your euro's/dollars/yen/pounds/etc. This doesn't mean they both can't be successful at selling their stuff to everyone. But one is going to be more than the other.
WhatsApp and iMessage is competitors
Again, no money involved. But, WhatsApp would love to be everyone's default app no?
WhatsApp and RCS are competitors.
Again, an App vs a standard.
Galaxy store and play store are competitors.
Since I don't use Samsung a I'm guessing you mean their app store on their devices.
If they make money on it, then it's competition in my book. And since Android allows this, they have an open platform. This solves the whole we need to open up Apple bit. At least to me.
Mac Safari and chrome is competitors.

And this might sound strange and arbitrary, how can’t android and iOS not be competitors, or iOS safari and chrome?

Well the core reason is how a relevant market is understood and the meaning of competition is. And this was written in 1997 before the digital market was like today.

The relevant market combines the product market and the geographic market, defined as follows.

  • A relevant product market comprises all those products and/or services which are regarded as interchangeable or substitutable by the consumer by reason of the products’ characteristics, their prices and their intended use.
  • A relevant geographic market comprises the area in which the firms concerned are involved in the supply of products or services and in which the conditions of competition are sufficiently similar.
Once the product market and the geographic market have been defined, the Commission carries out a more detailed analysis based on the concept of substitutability. Firms subject to a competitive system must respect two major constraints: demand substitution and supply substitution. A market is competitive if customers can choose between a range of products with similar characteristics and if the supplier does not face obstacles to supplying products or services on that market.

The substitutability criterion enables research to be targeted on any substitute products, making it possible to define the relevant product market and geographic market with a greater degree of certainty. Only in the final stage is the relevant market analysed to determine the degree of integration in the EU’s markets.

The Commission therefore carries out an assessment of demand-side substitutability (i.e. of customers) and supply-side substitutability (i.e. of suppliers). In the first case, the question is whether customers for the product in question can readily switch to a similar product in response to a small but permanent price increase (of between 5% and 10%). In the second case, the question is whether other suppliers can readily switch production to the relevant products and sell them on the relevant market.

However, this criterion of substitutability does not take account of the conditions in which the firms in question operate. Therefore it is necessary, for instance, to examine the conditions of access to the defined market. In this regard, the Commission assesses the product dimension and the geographic dimension of the relevant market, taking account of the following elements.

  • The recent past. In certain cases, it is possible to analyse evidence relating to recent price variations, for example in terms of substitution between two products or in terms of the customer response.
  • The results of specific studies. It is possible to assess the elasticity of demand* for a product by means of econometric and statistical tests. It is also useful to assess the geographic market on the basis of factors which have an impact on local preferences (such as culture, language, etc.).
  • The views of customers and competitors. The Commission may contact the main customers and competitors of the firm in question to gather factual evidence and to evaluate their reaction in the event of price variations within the geographic area.
  • Consumer preferences.: The Commission may ask the firms in question for the market studies they carried out prior to launching a product on the market or setting its price. It may also compare the purchasing habits of customers on the relevant market with those of other customers on a separate geographic market where similar conditions prevail.
  • Barriers (regulatory or others) and costs associated with switching demand to other products or areas.
  • Different categories of customer and price discrimination. A distinct group of customers for the relevant product may itself constitute a narrower, distinct market when such a group could be subject to price discrimination.
Before drawing its conclusions, the Commission may consult the main firms in the sector on the limits of the product market and geographic market. Where appropriate, it may also carry out an on-the-spot inspection.
None of this reads to me any issue with how Apple has been doing business within the EU as wrong.
You can argue that parts are not (by Apple) supported and that they have made it difficult to go and get any 3rd party part to replace something on a device. They (Apple) would argue it's safer and better for the customer that you get genuine parts from Apple resellers. Certainly debatable. But not enough in my view to create these new rules the EU has now.
Again EU don’t care about a standard
So why are we standardizing on USB-C? And truth be told, we very well may have gotten USB-C anyway since the new chip as a controller for it.
, opening up the AppStore isn’t about standards. Apple can still go their own way but not harm the market. If Apple or google wins isn’t important.
But, this is already settled mate. How many folks in the EU actually side-load? When Android is the most popular mobile OS and you have a vast assortment of devices to choose from at all different price points from all over the world (China). MOST don't do it. This is a solution looking for a problem, and will just end up creating one in the end.
Yet they are the only ones producing the (EUV) photolithography machines that are required to manufacture the most advanced chips. Without it Intel wouldn’t Be able to make their advanced chips.

And their DUV lithography machines( the last generation ) are also world heading. Thera a reason why Intel buys from them and no American companies exist in the sector.

Apple designs their own chips in accordance the license allows them to.

Well, clearly this isn't easy to do otherwise others would. They are the best at it, and as long as they haven't forced out any competition. They should be free to continue doing what they do. Would any of the chip (let's call them designers for sake of argument) be where they are without ASML? Maybe not. Maybe you still only have Intel and we are all stuck on 14nm. Or someone else comes up with a clever way to get the job done.
We still need all the players to make this work, not just one part. They are all big parts.
 
Steam is signed but as Identified Developer App:

Code:
% codesign --display -vv /Applications/Steam.app
Executable=/Applications/Steam.app/Contents/MacOS/steam_osx
Identifier=com.valvesoftware.steam
Format=app bundle with Mach-O thin (x86_64)
CodeDirectory v=20500 size=33475 flags=0x10000(runtime) hashes=1037+5 location=embedded
Signature size=9086
Authority=Developer ID Application: Valve Corporation (MXGJJ98X76)
Authority=Developer ID Certification Authority
Authority=Apple Root CA
Timestamp=23 Mar 2022 at 01:41:14
Notarization Ticket=stapled
Info.plist entries=18
TeamIdentifier=MXGJJ98X76
Runtime Version=11.1.0
Sealed Resources version=2 rules=13 files=35
Internal requirements count=1 size=180

Compare to a Mac App Store signed App:

Code:
% codesign --display -vv /Applications/NordVPN.app
Executable=/Applications/NordVPN.app/Contents/MacOS/NordVPN
Identifier=com.nordvpn.NordVPN
Format=app bundle with Mach-O universal (x86_64 arm64)
CodeDirectory v=20500 size=127423 flags=0x10000(runtime) hashes=3971+7 location=embedded
Signature size=4797
Authority=Apple Mac OS Application Signing
Authority=Apple Worldwide Developer Relations Certification Authority
Authority=Apple Root CA
Info.plist entries=34
TeamIdentifier=W5W395V82Y
Runtime Version=13.3.0
Sealed Resources version=2 rules=13 files=1642
Internal requirements count=1 size=220

In the MacOS settings the default is only to allow Mac App Store Apps, with the option to also allow Identified Developer Apps. The ability to run unsigned apps is not available in the Settings GUI.

I think running Apps without validation altogether is still possible by completely disabling Gatekeeper through the command-line, but it's very unlikely to be necessary in most use-case scenarios as most third-party applications from outside the Mac App Store are still signed by the developer.
Hmm must have changed since I last used a Mac after I sold my 2012 rMBP in 2019.

Then you could se all three 🤔 and still to right click to be able to run it the first time.
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1) Do you believe every article you read? Really? Or only when it suits your personal narrative?
2) Apple have never claimed the App Store is 100% secure

But...they did though...many times in their speeches on why they can't allow sideloading and in their hilariously bad PDF they sent to Brussels to try to convince them not to pass the DMA


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Again: their words, not mine
 
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