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Apple Fined Another €5 Million Over Dating Apps as Dutch Regulators Say Apple Has 'Refused to Put Forward Any Serious Proposals'

Wildkraut said:
When did I call anybody a liar?

Yes, he left Apple 2017(you are NOT a liar!11!eleven11!), but the real reason is "mysteriously unknown", surely it wasn't just for money or extra because of Tesla, and later he leaves the Swift Core Team(calling it toxic) that mainly consists of Apple employees.

Cough, cough, sum up, that says it all.

Apple and it's environment is so toxic, it's not the first time this comes to light.
Their overall behavior which is slowly coming to light lately just completes the whole image of Evil Apple.

Apple treats their customers bad, Apple treats their employees bad, Apple treats the developers bad.
They walk over dead bodies, and think they are above the law.
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Sounds like you are trying to make up facts to fit your predetermined conclusion.

Your sequence of events doesn't even make sense. You are trying to imply that he left Apple in 2017 because it was toxic. And yet he spent five more years working for free for an Apple project that he considered toxic. Really?!?
 
BaldiMac said:
You are trying to imply that he left Apple in 2017 because it was toxic. And yet he spent five more years working for free for an Apple project that he considered toxic. Really?!?
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Yep, it's sometimes hard to leave your baby(in his case Swift) behind, but after a certain point you have to accept that it makes no more sense.
 
My hypothesis is that Apple is going to announce some changes at their upcoming Spring event rumored to be on March 8, and wants to delay any discussion about the App Store until then, even if it means paying a fine to the ACM every week until then.

If this were not the case, Apple most likely would have announced a solution as soon as they possibly could to avoid further legal action. Apple's lawyers are very likely to be cognizant of the potential negative side effects of delaying a response.
 
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turbineseaplane said:
Those of you that think this is just a "Dutch issue" apparently don't realize that this is likely to end up as a full EU issue.

Apple is pissing into the wind here
They are going to get hosed on

And it will be all their own fault.
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Yep, sadly Russia is taking a bit of resources, this might get delayed a bit.
 
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4jasontv said:
Double check my math, cause I did it in my head… but isn’t this basically: if you had $35k in the bank and the government threatened you with a 1/5th of a penny fine?
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Correct, Apple will just chalk this shakedown up as a cost of doing business in NL. The “regulator” gets to make it look like they‘re doing something useful to this ”evil” US tech giant. Win-win.
 
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AppliedMicro said:
Yes, please!

Provide only more ammunition to regulators' and legislators' that they're abusing their gatekeeping power and monopoly power for iPhone app distribution by banning multimillion dollar/user apps from their store as they please.
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Do stores in the EU have to sell everything? I do mean that very much how it is stated. Do stores have to sell everything? If they do, then this is very illegal for Apple to ban (if they wanted to) Dating Apps. Since they are required to sell everything that can be in the Appstore. But, if that is not true. Then Apple can certainly ban the apps and self regulate what Apps they allow or disallow in their store.

If the Nethernlands are being so specific that they require Apple to allow 3rd party payments in "just" the dating apps. And it is within Apple's rights to just ban the apps going forward. There is nothing wrong with them doing so.

If the EU/Nethernlands want to take action against Apple if they did so. They would have to come up with some other BS law.
AppliedMicro said:
(Bracing myself for the incoming "They created the platform and should be able to do as they please" posts).
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Yes.
AppliedMicro said:
The Netherlands have a population of only 17 million.
And online dating apps is only one among many categories of apps.
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But they only picked Dating Apps for this new rule for Apple to follow. Just proves my point that these countries are run by idiots.
 
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Apple spends YEARS building and refining the app store and ecosystem.

And they're expected to propose significant changes in the course of a week? Unreasonable and a greedy cash grab. The deadlines should be months apart, as that's how long it can take to design, test and document different approaches. That doesn't even include development work.
 
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I7guy said:
So having a separate app for outside purchasing is not good enough?
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To answer ghe question: no, it’s not. The ACM said so.

There‘s no need at all to require new apps. Apple is just coming and making up more and more new „fees“, „requirements“, hoops to jump through, every time.

Do they have to? No. Compliance would be very simple.
Then again, they want to make it as hard and expensive for these developers as they can (at least below their 30% commission threshold) - cause it serves their bottom line.
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They own the land, grass and mountains all legally.
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Yes.

And once one or two big corporations own too much land, they’ll be using that power and share of the land. And as counteraction people, regulators and legislators will call for regulation, if not breaking them up.
 
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If governments couldn’t be paid off, I wouldn’t be so wary. But having a government rush a decision, forcing a company to change its policies is very unorthodox. What other changes will governments force Apple to do, swayed by lobbyist or corrupt officials with other stocks and interests. Apple made the platform, it’s asking for a percentage. Grocery stores, other platforms that sell games, people who rent out houses ask for payment for what they establish.
 
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coolfactor said:
And they're expected to propose significant changes in the course of a week? Unreasonable and a greedy cash grab.
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They‘re free to allow outside transactions any time. Very simple.
Epic proved with Fortnite that there‘s no great technical hurdle.

Apple are just making up new rules and commissions at every twist and turn in attempts to skirt the ruling.
 
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