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External storage on my home network shared to all computers. External options guys.

Well that sounds pretty cool, and obviously works for you, but I look on my laptop as a portable device, and I want to carry a decent amount of stuff around on it (videos, pictures), and 256GB is just not enough. I *think* 500GB would be!
 
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Guys, if you need an optical drive buy te MBP. There still will be redesigned MBP's with the optical drive for a while and MBA's including 15" for the ultraportable form factor. Apple will NOT give up the customers wanting the optical drives.
 
Not while it has faster and more reliable bandwidth than WiFi does.
They are not ditching the Ethernet port for WiFi, they are ditching it for a TB-Ethernet adaptor. The question is not whether WiFi is good enough to replace Ethernet, the question is whether a thinner design (and less weight due to the thinner design) is worth the hassle of an Ethernet adaptor (that only a subset of the purchasers demographics would experience, most people do not have Ethernet at home).
 
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Yay! The next generation of MacBooks is coming!

11" MacBook Air
13" MacBook Air
15" Ultrathin MacBook Pro
17" Ultrathin MacBook Pro

Bye bye OD!

this is how it will be,

bye OD, and bye HD, hello SSD


those skeptical of the power and performance of the macbook airs,

the sandy bridge CPUs in the 13inch macbook airs are fast enough for any human, any real lifer performance needs. 3D graphics will not be abundant on ultra thin notebooks, but only gamers like me need that, professionals will have plenty of GPU power though
 
They are not ditching the Ethernet port for WiFi, they are ditching it for a TB-Ethernet adaptor. The question is not whether WiFi is good enough to replace Ethernet, the question is whether a thinner design (and less weight due to the thinner design) is worth the hassle of an Ethernet adaptor (that only a subset of the purchasers demographics would experience, most people do not have Ethernet at home).

Wrong, pretty much every ISP will give you a router as in a device with built in modem and wireless and ETHERNET ports.
Call up your ISP for support cause you can't browse they will tell you to test with ethernet, have no ethernet port then tough, get one.
WiFi is NOT good enough to replace 10/100 or Gig e ports, it never will be, plugging a cable in is always a hell of a lot more reliable and secure then any wireless system.
I support wireless, it's great tech but I also would like an ethernet port too thanks.
 
So, taking this hypothetical situation STILL further, all my fonts, all my files, all my CD-based music... I'm somehow supposed to download that lot out of thin air, am I? Regardless as to whether an external drive can be bought for $30 or not, I see it as an (albeit for only those who need it) Apple tax - I'm being forced to buy it. There are Mac-heads on here who wouldn't DREAM of putting a cheap non-Apple SuperDrive alternative (although that's up to them) on their beloved machines - so it's going to cost someone in that situation even more...
You're not being forced to do anything. You have a choice—Is it worth purchasing a $30 external optical drive in order to continue using thousands of dollars of software?

You've obviously never been truly "forced" to do anything if this is how you define the word.
 
Well that sounds pretty cool, and obviously works for you, but I look on my laptop as a portable device, and I want to carry a decent amount of stuff around on it (videos, pictures), and 256GB is just not enough. I *think* 500GB would be!

My laptop is portable. You need to ask yourself why you think you need to drag around that many pictures and videos. The answer is that you probably don't. I know I'd rather have my 1TB of anime safe at home on a RAID array than sitting on my laptop in a bag that can get lost, stolen or damaged while I'm out and about. I just bring what I need.
 
As an engineering student and person who travels over seas and has a whole collection of old cds, i enjoy having an optical drive, especially when i am over seas and do not have access to wireless internet or any internet for that matter.

In regards to the separate optical drive that i can purchase from Apple, I shouldn't have to spend an extra $100. When I pay $1200 for a computer, I expect it to have the basics (including hardware) that laptops have always had.
Always? Like back in the Bible?
 
So the 600 DVDs I gave a fortune to the Hollywood studios for are now to be trashed and I should buy the content all over again and download it, and this is all for my benefit?
You mean that I should have trashed my expensive DVI external display when Apple switched to mDP? This might be news to you, but you can buy accessories for your Mac.

its illegal to rip copy protected dvds tho ...
Can you cite me one court case where somebody has been convicted for this?
And how do explain that it is legal to sell software that rips DVDs (RipIt, MacX DVD Ripper Pro, etc.)?

And if you are morally opposed to ripping DVDs, carrying around, eg, three DVDs + laptop with an internal optical drive compared to carrying around three DVDs + laptop without an ODD + an external ODD is not that much of a difference.
 
In and of itself, I'm all about a thinner (and lighter) 15 and 17 design. I just hope it doesn't come with too many compromises. As a Macbook "Pro" it will still need to be a powerful and capable computer. Can't be too skimpy on storage either, even if it has a fast SSD. I would want something with connectivity too, with enough USB and firewire ports, etc. Yes I know that in theory thunderbolt can give you those ports... but I still want real ports. I have yet to see thunderbolt to usb or firewire adapters... and while I'm sure they'll be out someday... someday is not today! Especially if these new laptops are really coming out before Christmas... which would be awesome...

Not sure how I feel about the lack of optical drive though. I do use them, sometimes, partly for installs, but mostly for music production related tasks. I don't mind, in an of itself, using an external superdrive... I just don't like having to pay extra for something like that. Especially not with the expensive price of macs... Maybe if they included one for free! (other companies have done that before, with ultraportable laptops).

But, like anything technologically related, we'll have to see what happens, and we'll have to see exactly what changes, improvements, and trade-offs have been made. I'm still generally excited at the possibilities...
 
I think there are still some people who want the ability to watch DVDs on their laptop. I do this on my six year old MacBook on rare occasion.

I have ripped all my DVD's to my hard drive. I can watch them any time I wish. There is a lot of speculation that the movie studios will soon be delivering movies on USB sticks or downloads only, and they themselves will kill the DVD market.
 
My laptop is portable. You need to ask yourself why you think you need to drag around that many pictures and videos. The answer is that you probably don't. I know I'd rather have my 1TB of anime safe at home on a RAID array than sitting on my laptop in a bag that can get lost, stolen or damaged while I'm out and about. I just bring what I need.
I rather have them save sitting at home in multiple backups AND with me compared to only have them save sitting at home.
 
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Same I have a 15" Mbp but if they make a 17" I will not buy any computer equip for a year just to buy one I love big screens
 
And how do explain that it is legal to sell software that rips DVDs (RipIt, MacX DVD Ripper Pro, etc.)?
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well all this software u just mentioned is forbidden to be sold here starting with good old "anydvd & clone dvd*



I have ripped all my DVD's to my hard drive. I can watch them any time I wish. There is a lot of speculation that the movie studios will soon be delivering movies on USB sticks or downloads only, and they themselves will kill the DVD market.

Blu-Ray <3 ... duh. if i wanted a "file" i would just "download" it and even more to hell with DRM protection on it... but i want the case, cover, multilanguage, special features and all.
 
I personally wouldn't mind loosing the optical drive .. but I would miss the disk space on a SSD only solution (especially since the 256GB is crazy expensive still, so a fair comparison would be the 500GB Pro standard now against the 64GB standard in the Air).

T.
 
So Steve is the only one who is capable of deciding what you want or need? If you had four or five choices you wouldn't be able to make a choice you were happy with?
If a customer has two choices, they walk away from the purchase feeling reasonably certain that they made the right choice. They're happy.

If a customer has 20 choices, they walk away from the purchase thinking that they could have done better. Even if they're satisfied with the purchase, they still feel like they could have made a better choice. They eventually blame the retailer for their poor experience.

This isn't just me saying this. There's tons of research to back it up.

And, yes, in terms of what you "want or need" from a computer, Apple is much more capable of deciding that than you are. If Apple let their customers decide what they should build, we'd be talking about the new MacBook Xtreme 2000 laptop that has a 32" screen, betamax, VHS, DVD, 16mm film, zip drive, floppy drive, cotton candy maker, phaser and cassette deck.

Most people have no idea what they want.
 
My laptop is portable. You need to ask yourself why you think you need to drag around that many pictures and videos. The answer is that you probably don't.

I do. Have you ever done anything media intensive like video editing of larger projects or do you have any idea what is involved in that process? The answer is that you probably don't.
 
People forget that one need an Ethernet port to setup a wireless router. What happens if you get a new router or something happens to your present routers firmware. My router does not broadcast its ID and at times its easier to just hardwire when the wifi does not see or drops its connection. Besides everyone does not have wifi. A laptop can connect with WWAN or ethernet as well, people here are being short-sighted.
imum at best.
Since 2008, the Airs shipped without an Ethernet port (but with an optional adaptor). But since shipping without Etherent is so short-sighted, hardly anyone must have bought these computers.

And btw, with iOS 5 you will be able to setup an Apple Airport WiFi router with an iOS device (which at last count did not sport Ethernet ports).
 
Apple's profits are a direct reflection of their customer satisfaction.

In combination with Apple's commercial savvy (setting price points, release schedule, production efficiency). Though one could argue that a clear product structure with well separated price points and 'longish' product cycles (don't my purchase 'obsolete' too often) are contributing to customer satisfaction.

MBA line-up: 11", 13", 15."

MBP line-up: 13", 15" 17." (A little thicker due to dedicated GPU).
You mean the 'dedicated GPU' Intel HD3000 in the 13" MBP?
 
I've been limping along on an ASUS lappy for a few years now waiting to jump to a Macbook Pro, I was all set to jump this last refresh but it turned out to be such a minor change and there were heat issues and some rev. 1 type problems from the new chips. This refresh I have to make a move to a new laptop, but I am concerned. I actually need the horsepower and an optical drive of a professional machine, I actually use it for professional work.

All I want is that black slick/sleek Macbook that was rumored and some pics shown online before the last refresh. It was slim enough, it retained all of the look, feel, and sturdiness I needed and an OD. Apple has been really pushing their move to make everything essentially consumer-grade and for home/student and I just don't see the point! That is why there were two lines, consumer and pro. Crippling the pro side continually just makes no sense to me. Make them professional, make them the showpiece and make them expensive (even moreso) I don't care, just make it truly pro hardware.

Very little of what I do can be done in a simplified "app" many programs I use are extremely large and would take days to download even at high speeds. I don't want to have to have a second computer to share an optical drive or when on the road, and I don't want to carry an external one because that defeats the purpose. Leave the apps and consumer stuff to the consumers.
 
I want 15" but not the expensive Pro model. I am ok with MacBook Air spec but I want bigger screen. Keep the 15" Pro as a pro. Make new 15" for normal user.
 
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Hypothetical situation. I've bought a new MacBookProAir or whatever it's going to be called without an optical drive. I don't want to shell out for an external DVD drive and the reason I bought it in the first place is because my current MacBook Pro has died. On my shelf are boxed copies of Quark Xpress 8, CS5 and Microsoft Office. Are Apple making me HAVE to buy an external drive as well as my shiny, new, EXPENSIVE laptop just because I have software I can't download..?
Hypothetical situation: Apple increases the prices by $50 when they release the next version of their MBPs. You current MBP has just died. This $50 increase put them outside your planned budget. What do you do?

1) Go sulking in a corner.
2) Find the extra $50 and bite the bullet.
3) Getter a lower model or get a used MB(P).

From your post it seems, (1) is your likely reaction.

In regards to the separate optical drive that i can purchase from Apple, I shouldn't have to spend an extra $100. When I pay $1200 for a computer, I expect it to have the basics (including hardware) that laptops have always had.
Apple lowered the price of the entry-level Mac mini by $100 when they released the ODD-less version. What you are saying is that Apple should not force you to make a decision between getting the ODD (and spending the money on it) and not getting it. Having to make decisions adds friction, not having to make them is more pleasant.

You see, if Apple offered the this laptop for $1100 instead (with the $100 ODD add-on) you would equally complain. You don't mind the total price, you mind having to make a decision (and you somehow irrationally base that decision on Apple's price for an ODD not on a third-party one).
 
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