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I've got a 1TB drive in my 2011 macbook pro and I LOVE having the space handy. I'll buy a 2TB drive for it when they come out.

My 1TB drive cost me $89. If all apple laptops go to ssd's I''m out. No way would I settle for a 256gig drive at this point, or pay the $1300 or so it cists for a mere 500 gig ssd.
 
Maybe I'm a fool .... but, is it not obvious that these could be new macbooks? Similar screen sizes to the pro-line but much thinner with lower specs? :confused:
 
The reason why i doubt apple would go to integrated SSD's like the air or remove the disk drive on a pro, is because the pro is tailored to a different audience.

The macbook pro is pointed towards professionals, we want the power, and customization is necessary for us to get what we need out of a mac, such as more RAM and etc. If they do go SSD it would probably be in the way of 2.5in drives. They could still remove the disk drive, and focus on slimming it down. But they can not get rid of the 2.5in drive bay because of people who want to upgrade to a faster SSD or a much larger conventional hard drive.

So even if a style refresh is postponed it would be because of the pro still pleasing its core audience.

Although the 13in macbook pro has some competition from the air, they need to do something to it to keep it relevant.
 
What does anyone need an optical drive in 2011 for? USB sticks FTW!

I still do on occasions buy phisical CDs... :rolleyes: I kind of like the idea to own the actual music and import it into iTunes... however a regular windows pc might be able to do the trick :D
 
give me more battery life over a DVD drive any day...

...oh and can we have a "super-thin" Mac Pro too please... one you can rack up horizontally!
 
I'll reserve judgement on such a product until I know more about the video card. It's the only real reason I buy the MBP now.
 
I don't really think you know anything.

Sorry, but this is incorrect. That is a business user or a business traveler, they have entirely different needs than professionals in many fields. I know because I've done the road warrior thing. Thin, light, basic performance, small, all of those things are key. You might put on a presentation, do some web surfing, email, etc. Occasionally something more involved but speed is usually not the focus.
Frankly you just insulted many a professional that has to travel for part of his living. Do you honestly believe that every person on an Airplane with a laptop is a "business traveler" doing light office work?
Professionals from audio, video, graphic design, artists, IT, engineers, etc. have very different needs and demands as well as very specialized programs that require real horsepower and often optical media.
First off you just insulted more people by including professionals (IT and engineers) with artists graphic designers & etc. Beyond that it is pretty clear that professionals do get work done with Apples AIR's. Frankly that was with the old models, with the new ones being twice as fast even more professionals should find the machines acceptable.
I have massive amounts of audio samples/loops/tools on CD as well as design tools and programs that end up being massive. I need hard drive space, SSD is cool for the OS but not for those things. Plus I can be generating massive files as well that also need a home. If I have to lug an external optical drive *and* an external HDD just to function, then there's no point and the system is not professional level.
No it isn't professional level due to your specific needs.

However you mis one point I've been championing here more internal storage not less. Thus the need to get rid if the optical drive.

Look at it this way, I currently carry around with me an external HD because my MBP does not have the internal capacity I need. Rationally that disk would make more sense if it was mounted internally as it would benefit from reliability and a faster connection. Mean while an external CD works fine across USB.

In any event I'd be very happy with a 15" AIR if it offered internal secondary storage expansion. I believe this is very easy to do by removing the optical even in a slimmed down form factor. I don't expect a 15" AIR to be as thin as it's smaller brothers simply from the structural standpoint. There is no reason to eliminate a laptop HD bay and at the same time also support a blade slot or two.
This thread drives me nuts because almost every case the people championing them and this supposed move are people using a MBP for non-professional use or more business-class use. Which is why I still say keep your Airs and Macbooks for home/student/business/travel and leave the Pro line the hell alone and make it for professionals.
Your definition of "Pro" is simply to narrow for Apple to ever target. You think of pro usage as being your usage and simply dismiss all the other usages as no pro. How sweet of you.

Worst is that you seem to discount the possibility that Apple might come up with a pro model that actually attracts more customers.
All of these comments are analogous to telling a professional photographer that they should make do with a consumer-grade Nikon instead of a $7-8k D3X because you can take perfectly good photos of your snowflake's soccer game with a $500 D3000. The logic and thought process escapes me.
What escapes me is that you can't recognize that that Nikon camera is but one leg in Nikons lineup. They have the H series for example that gives up pixels for other capabilities.

Apple giving up the optical drive does not imply that they no longer have a professional laptop. Rather it means they are focused on other perhaps more important needs. One of these needs is performance, something that can be helped by the removal of the optical.
Pro should stay Pro for the actual professionals, not the people that just want a beefier laptop which is what the regular MB line was for.

This is really incredible if you ask me. By your comments it would be impossible fir Apple to ever improve the pro line up. Any change or deletion of old technology would be unacceptable in your narrow view of the world.

The problem here is that if given a free hand I can easily see Apple producing a very advanced or modern laptop for the professional markets. Dropping the optical gives them the volume to do this in. Building hardware for the past would be death for Apple, they just look to the future and make decisions based where they think the industry will be.
 
At least Apple appears to be taking GPUs seriously now.

I'll reserve judgement on such a product until I know more about the video card. It's the only real reason I buy the MBP now.

Well they finally put a respectable one in the Mini so I see that as a positive sign.
 
wizard, you talk a lot but say very little. I *am* a professional and no one is being insulted in any way shape or form. I've done the road warrior gig and know it well, not many are doing seriously intense work while on a plane or on-site for meetings or what have you. Some light work, yes. Occasional heavier work, yes. That's what I said.

Your comments make little sense and aren't worth debating. The Pro line can stay Pro with no problem and without anything needing to be cut. Legacy or unused things of course can be, but not for the sake of a consumer push to apps and app store or to simply go thin like the Airs... that's why we have the Airs. I believe like others, that this will be the new Macbook, not the new MBP. Time will tell.

My needs are not rare or unique. Most professionals require a powerful CPU, ample storage, good battery life, and use of optical media. Y'know like every high-end professional laptop out there... including Apple's. :rolleyes:
 
The MacBook Pros are the most beautiful laptops ever made and should be left intact. The new 15" and 17" products should be marketed as MacBook Air options so that those of us who prefer the optical drive can still have a choice.
 
wether you like it or not, apple is going consumer!!
this is the future of apple, you all know it, and you also know apple never cared about leaving a small part of the market for the bigger one.
so, if you are one of the few people (in apple's eyes) that want a ODD, FW, RJ45, maybe also the express card, well, you'll be disappointed.
but that's not a concern for apple, they will still make LOTS of money, and that's frankly the only thing companies want.

but I just need to beg for a little thing: PLEASE DON'T SOLDER THE RAM!!!

No, this is the future of Apple and they don't care to leave the small part of the market that wants upgradable RAM. Sorry to disappoint, but Apple will still make LOTS of money, and that's frankly the only thing companies want. ;)
 
I still do on occasions buy phisical CDs... :rolleyes: I kind of like the idea to own the actual music and import it into iTunes... however a regular windows pc might be able to do the trick :D
Why do people seemingly equate these two things:
1) I do need an optical drive from time to time
2) I prefer to carry around the weight and bulk of an optical drive all the time to pulling an external one out of a drawer when I need it

And why do people assume that because (2) is true for them, it is true for the majority of people?

I calibrate my monitor maybe once a month. Would I prefer to have the calibrator built-into my laptop? Certainly no. Would some people? Certainly yes. It is not whether a certain feature is (still) needed, it is about whether it is needed 'often enough'. And while everybody can decide for themselves what 'often enough' means, it is pretty hard to define that for the general population. Apple needs to make that decision, they cannot effectively create a modular laptop (that folds together when you remove the optical drive). They can only make informed guesses (they might have some statistics on the usage of ODD) and they can compare the sales of different models, eg, the 13" MBA and the 13" MBP. And yes, this is not a perfect comparison, you can get an SSD $150 cheaper in the Air but is more data than we usually have at out disposal.
 
MBP Refresh

I like the current MBP line they are fast and have the peripherals that I need well one more usb wouldn't hurt. But to make one without an ODD is madness. If they were to just make another MBA that was 15'' I would be fine as long as they kept there current line up of MBP.
 
I've got a 1TB drive in my 2011 macbook pro and I LOVE having the space handy. I'll buy a 2TB drive for it when they come out.

My 1TB drive cost me $89. If all apple laptops go to ssd's I''m out. No way would I settle for a 256gig drive at this point, or pay the $1300 or so it cists for a mere 500 gig ssd.

Enjoy your slower booting and app loading.

Besides, I have two words for you: external HDDs. They're not expensive.
 
Remove the ODD, make it thinner but don't taper it to a point and keep the high power CPU and a higher power GPU and ill be one happy mofo.
 
The point is not whether you need Ethernet, the point is whether an adaptor used in the few occasions when you need it adds more hassle overall than a slimmer and lighter design adds benefits.
Just because I clean my display maybe once per month does not mean I would like it come with built-in screen wipers. (And btw, I simply plug my WiFi base station into the my ISP router's Ethernet port. I have never plugged my computer directly into my ISP's router. Moreover, with iOS 5, you can configure Apple's WiFi base stations without the help of a computer and thus without an Ethernet port.)

Well sorry but a laptop with no ethernet port is still laughable in the 15" and above range, my point was when you call for help and you say I have no ethernet, you will be told tough, get one. Removing the ethernet port for style is ridiculous. And can you plug an iPhone via ethernet into a router then? LOT'S of people still do use ethernet ports on laptops and desktops both in the private and commercial markets, to state anything else or to state the alternatives are good enough is to be incredibly short sighted.

Some will even never use wireless as it is so unsecured and will only trust ethernet. It's still a joke though to think it's perfectly fine to spend the kind of $$$ Apple ask for when it lacks something like an ethernet port that every other laptop with the same size screen would include as standard.

If you need Ethernet then connect the system to the cheap Thunderbolt display that provides Ethernet as well as Firewire and USB ports. Don't worry about your now redundant existing display, it's always nice to spend more money.

Yeah, spending £300 plus (A hell of a lot more for an Apple branded device) just to get an ethernet port makes all the sense in the world, if you have space and want another monitor that is :roll eyes:

In fact it's pretty contradictory to read in this thread to on one hand state everything should be stored in the cloud then on the other hand state the ethernet port should be removed and the computers should only have wireless.
It's basically stating that we should all dump our files onto a system that will give the most slowest speed of access and write that is currently possible with any technology! And then stating it's a good thing??? :confused::confused:
 
Increased choices lead to poorer customer satisfaction. Always. The last thing people need is more choices.

Insert swastika symbol here!!!

Wow so you can in no way have a thin laptop and a more workstation oriented cause everyone is stupid? You can have simple choice, you dont need 3 versions of a 15 inch PC like a lot of companies do but 2 versions wouldnt hurt a damn thing. For proof see below.

90% windows 5-7% macintosh. Seems Gates figured that out and your hero did not. People rather would have choice, Apple will never get any good traction in the market with their rules. Their market cap is most all from iDevices. Choice will burn them over time there as well since competitors catch up.

Negative votes incoming...my heart cant take it. LOL 1 negative vote is my own ;)
 
I woud never buy a laptop without an optical drive, i don't feel we are at the point where they should be totally phased out.

Me neither!

My MBA's optical drive lives in either my wife's or my iMac, depending on which is currently running.

And we've got an external drive just in case we're travelling.

(I think it's been used three times in the year we've had it, for both MBAs we use.)
 
meh thinness is just another excuse to remove specs and make more money (new ipod nano *cough cough*)

You say that like it's a bad thing: another product to fit more customers' preferences.

It's not like the iPod Nano replaced the larger/more capable iPod models, which are still in the product line.
 
Have you ever heard of being on a long bus journey and thinking "oh! i know, I'll stick on a DVD... oh, no, wait, I WONT! BECAUSE I DIDNT WANT TO LUG AROUND A WHOLE OFFICE FULL OF EQUIPMENT JUST TO WATCH A DVD!!!! *hijacks bus, crashes into wall*


yeah....damn straight...

Well put!
 
So what, consensus is 15 and 17" MBA's and no more pros?

Or just thinner MBPs?
 
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