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No, but you have to admit, the event feels reactionary rather than planned.

I'd politely disagree; I think they're planning something jolly special.

However, time will be the judge on that -- we'll know by the end of the week!
 
For me it wasn't about patience, my requirements are a laptop with 32GB RAM. Apple don't make this. As a company I don't trust them any longer to provide updates in line with the rest of the industry and I simply will not pay over the odds any longer for dated technology.

Not doubting your needs, but curious what application sets you are running on a laptop, which require 32gb of RAM. :eek:
 
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Nope, you got that wrong, people assume that Apple is so busy making money with a great iPhone that they could care less about the mundane and pro users/products and helped Apple survive during the lean years and will, if Apple lets them, help them out again in the future. Success changes focus and focus changes often breed long term failure. The iPhone is a once is a lifetime product success, to think that Apple is going to continue to hit product success like that is not reality. To forget about your core users and core products because you have a bunch of new popular users is just not wise when you don't have to. And Apple has the money and people that it should not have too. Instead it is investing billions in Uber China. Why?Because it could care less about mundane/pro users. This just goes to Apple's real DNA, which was insanely great products and is now insanely great money.

Now, no product gets introduced without the Jonny Ive touch. This is ruining the computer line and limiting the frequency of new computer products. We don't need slimmer, lighters, single port computers no matter how awesome they look in the television ad.

Perfectly stated.
 
Even if the MacBooks refresh and they're great, I still don't trust them.
I went balls deep into the 2012 Retina MacBook Pro and look where that got me. Invested into a system that got a marginal VRAM bump the next year, thankfully a CPU refresh. Then 2014 came around... Then 2015 came around...
What was my reward for investing into their eco system? Tim Cook telling me I can get my work done with a damn iPad.
No Tim. No I can't.
My job is literally to build applications for the iPad, and now I can't do it as well because I'm on inferior technology.
What's next? We invest heavily into this generation of MacBook Pro's, maybe get one very mild subtle GPU upgrade next year and be stuck on Skylake CPU's for four years?
We should not be rewarding this type of treatment from a manufacturer we are supposed to trust.
I don't want to use a stupid iPad for my work. I want a discrete GPU, and a powerful processor, and a MagSafe port, and ThunderBolt, and HDMI, and USB 3.0 ports.
I'm not gonna drive around and tell Patriot, SanDisk, Corsair and all my accessory manufacturers to build USB C now or I'm leaving. I have a keyboard. I like it. I don't want to replace it. It's better than any of your keyboards. It uses USB 3.0. I don't want to put it on a stupid dongle. My mouse? It's better than any of your mice. It uses USB 3.0. I don't want to put it on a stupid dongle.
I was going to buy a Thunderbolt display. I don't want to connect it to a stupid dongle. So now I will not buy a Thunderbolt display.
I, and apparently millions of other people, are speaking with our wallets. We're telling you nothing but USB C ports are stupid. Lighter and thinner is stupid at this extreme. Taking away discrete graphics from your 15" macbook unless we spend another $500 is stupid. Making the MacBook PRO more like the neutered, gimmicky, Starbucks Macbook 12" is stupid, getting rid of the MacBook Air is stupid, removing the headphone jack is stupid. You're not being courageous, you're being stupid. And stupid people lose money and that's exactly what happened to you this year. You lost money compared to last year.

The money is in the iphone. You say you don't like Tim ignoring Macs but you yourself make iOS apps instead of Mac apps. Is that because that is where you can make money?
 
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Even if the MacBooks refresh and they're great, I still don't trust them.
I went balls deep into the 2012 Retina MacBook Pro and look where that got me.
You are most definitely using it wrong, you're supposed to just look at the screen and type on the keyboard. The kind of use you're putting it to is almost certainly not covered by warranty, and sounds rather painful.
 
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Sooner or later, not innovating anything new and putting out just an updated itterations of old products, will show on your revenue stream. Tim Cook needs to go before he drives whole company back into the pit that Steve Jobs got it out of. I still dont understand why so many people support Tim Cook, the man is no visionairy or a leader, he's a logistics wizard with a mouth full of "magical" and "groundbreaking" words that enabled him to remain at his position for such a long time.
Amen.
 
No company can keep climbing up the ladder, on and on.

At some point things "level off", with sales undulating, rising and falling like the waves at sea.

Apple is a stupendously successful company, but they can't keep growing at a steady pace forever.

There are only so many potential customers to whom to sell.

There might be only so many insanely great products that can be introduced.

Their withdrawal from "the car" development was telling...
 
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Responses sarcastically mocking what they perceive as inevitable "Apple is doomed/in trouble" posts to this article are as much, if not more, clichéd than the posts they hope to shame.

I'm sure Apple will return to growth next year. But there's a clear reason why revenues are down this year: long gaps between product updates and no new iPhone redesign.
Why are people focused on the superficial and not the big internal changes in the iPhone 7?
 
Even if the MacBooks refresh and they're great, I still don't trust them.
I went balls deep into the 2012 Retina MacBook Pro and look where that got me. Invested into a system that got a marginal VRAM bump the next year, thankfully a CPU refresh. Then 2014 came around... Then 2015 came around...
What was my reward for investing into their eco system? Tim Cook telling me I can get my work done with a damn iPad.
No Tim. No I can't.
My job is literally to build applications for the iPad, and now I can't do it as well because I'm on inferior technology.
What's next? We invest heavily into this generation of MacBook Pro's, maybe get one very mild subtle GPU upgrade next year and be stuck on Skylake CPU's for four years?
We should not be rewarding this type of treatment from a manufacturer we are supposed to trust.
I don't want to use a stupid iPad for my work. I want a discrete GPU, and a powerful processor, and a MagSafe port, and ThunderBolt, and HDMI, and USB 3.0 ports.
I'm not gonna drive around and tell Patriot, SanDisk, Corsair and all my accessory manufacturers to build USB C now or I'm leaving. I have a keyboard. I like it. I don't want to replace it. It's better than any of your keyboards. It uses USB 3.0. I don't want to put it on a stupid dongle. My mouse? It's better than any of your mice. It uses USB 3.0. I don't want to put it on a stupid dongle.
I was going to buy a Thunderbolt display. I don't want to connect it to a stupid dongle. So now I will not buy a Thunderbolt display.
I, and apparently millions of other people, are speaking with our wallets. We're telling you nothing but USB C ports are stupid. Lighter and thinner is stupid at this extreme. Taking away discrete graphics from your 15" macbook unless we spend another $500 is stupid. Making the MacBook PRO more like the neutered, gimmicky, Starbucks Macbook 12" is stupid, getting rid of the MacBook Air is stupid, removing the headphone jack is stupid. You're not being courageous, you're being stupid. And stupid people lose money and that's exactly what happened to you this year. You lost money compared to last year.

I want to get this post tattooed on my arm.
 
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Exactly... they'll only report $45 billion in revenue and $9 billion in profit for the quarter.

How will they survive? :)

Look... I know corporations are all about growth. But no company can have growth forever.

It's crazy to expect Apple to.

Apples margins come form their hardware, not their services. Now that the mobile market has saturated, phones are kind of peaking as far as technology goes, and with the additional fact that people are now paying for the whole phone rather than it being hidden in a subsidized fee that they pay the carrier, consumers are holding onto their phones longer. Thats bad for Apple.

So while they aren't losing money, their profits are going down and they have nothing that can stop it or take its place. Macs make up a small part of their profits, even at their peak. So, acting like this isn't a big deal is ignorant to how apple makes it's money and what the market is telling them with their numbers.
 
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Now it makes sense that they changed dates for these results and the Mac event. If the results are going to be bad, it makes sense that you explain your new products after delivering the bad results.

Anyway, these bad results are an almost a direct consequence of ignoring the professional user. Most Apple customers I know, chose Apple just because Apple = high professional reputation. You neglect the professional user, you lose your reputation, your new userbase are teenagers buying iOS gadgets, you lose money. That's the Apple direction these years.
 
For me it wasn't about patience, my requirements are a laptop with 32GB RAM. Apple don't make this. As a company I don't trust them any longer to provide updates in line with the rest of the industry and I simply will not pay over the odds any longer for dated technology.
That's reasonable, I think the new updates might support 32GB but who knows.
 
I have been accused in this forum of being "negative" and a "hater" just because I kind of saw this coming, by looking at their product line and refresh cycles.

In no way this means that Apple is doomed or things are going south, but it means: "adapt, better refresh cycles, better and innovative product lines, listen to your customers, look at what the other are doing and do better... in short, go back to basics"
 
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