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Just bought a Samsung Galaxy S4 that had been used once. Perfect condition.

The equivalent iPhone 5C is £225 more expensive than what I paid.


You have the answer and Cook doesn't even understand the question.
 
If they made the 5c to the same spec as the 5s but kept the plastic coloured back and charged say £50 less then people would have probably went for it.

But making a iPhone 5 with a plastic back just ain't good enough.:(
 
Still love my 5C and although my personal observations don't qualify as real world adoption, I have seen them everywhere here in the UK. I'm yet to lay my eyes on a 5S in the wild. Although I guess they are harder to spot.
 
Eh, I think this isn't necessarily by design, but not a problem for Apple. They gave the "analysts" and "pundits" what they wanted -- a low cost iPhone -- and the consumers aren't buying it. Now Tim and Co. can turn around and say, "See? It didn't work. Now let us get back to doing what we do best -- hyper focusing on a single product."

lol - A low cost phone. You are funny.

More like a slightly less expensive phone that was obviously very inferior to the slightly more expensive phone.

Sure, there is a subset of users who fit the 5c better than the 5s, and that's great for them. But on an even playing field, an earlier poster put it perfectly - people aren't idiots.
 
Sure, there is a subset of users who fit the 5c better than the 5s, and that's great for them. But on an even playing field, an earlier poster put it perfectly - people aren't idiots.

You're implying that Apple was trying to fool people into buying the 5C, which is, just, you know, idiotic.
 
But isn't Apple allowed to have experiments that fail? There's enormous pressure for them to make every product a bestselling runaway success, and I think it's good that they took some freedom to design something different. Now, they may have done it for the wrong reasons (pressure from the board for a lower-cost phone, etc.) but I think we should give Apple a bit more breathing room. We still get our 5s, let's give them the freedom to experiment and create the 5c is they want.

Absolutely. 100% correct. The second the price was announced, objectively thinking folks immediately knew it was a failed experiment, from the consumer POV.

The problem is that it is NOT a failure from a revenue POV, because Apple pushed people into purchasing the higher priced 5s.

The annoying part is the fanbois here still crowing that this is some master victory for Apple. The only way this is a victory is by giving the consumer a poor alternative to the most expensive phone. The fanbois cheers are in direct opposition to a consumer benefit, which rubs folks the wrong way.
 
I still prefer the black "Darth" iPhone 5. It's three parts iPhone to one part evil. I've used a rugged case on mine on account of paint-gate and it's still perfect.

Slate was definitely the goth choice of phone. Space grey looks "blah" in my opinion. Give me black or give me Android (I.e. death)!
 
5C stands for COLOR, not CHEAP. Analysts keep getting this wrong.

You're implying that Apple was trying to fool people into buying the 5C, which is, just, you know, idiotic.

Well, not "fool people" but it's a poor value proposition. The only way the 5c differentiates from the 5 is the plastic build and colorful shell options. And a minor price drop. The 5s differentiates from the 5 with the faster 64-bit processor, Touch ID sensor, better camera, etc., etc..

So which would you prefer? Colourful plastic shell but same old hardware with a little bit of cash savings, or brand new hardware with a pile of other features? Obviously people are choosing the 5S.
 
I think the 5c's problem is twofold: the price, and the hideous colors done with the black face. Here's a mockup I did of something simple to correct the latter:

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Gimme that blue one. They all appeal to my aesthetic. I feel somewhat sexist stating the current colors are just too feminine. But to me they are. I have no issue with the 5C being made of plastic. It's the colors.

As the majority have noted, the 5C has a price point that is not conducive to moving product from shelves.
 
You're implying that Apple was trying to fool people into buying the 5C, which is, just, you know, idiotic.

No, not fooling. It's just that the pricing was such that the choice, on an even playing field, is pathetically obvious. Not so much fooling, as it was insulting the intelligence of consumers.

AGAIN - there is a subset of consumers, who fit the 5c better than the 5s. Super for them.
 
The real question here: How does his data compare to adoption rates of the 5 and 4S last year?

I seem to remember Apple cutting production of he 4S around this time last year as "customers preferred the 5".

The 5c isn't a failure if it follows (or improves upon) their middle-tier offering of last cycle...which was the 4S.
 
The iPhone 5 still looks like it's a more expensive product than the 5C. Even though the 5C is very well made and doesn't feel cheap and nasty, plastic is perceived to be a lower quality material than the aluminium and glass used for the case of the 5 and 5S.

You said the operative word: perceived. I read all the 5C reviews from tech sites to owners on the iPhone forum. I haven't found many, if any, that complained about build quality or cheap material. Were the plastic 3G and 3GS perceived to be lower quality? I played around with a 5C at an Apple store and it felt better to me than the 3GS ever did.

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I think the 5c's problem is twofold: the price, and the hideous colors done with the black face. Here's a mockup I did of something simple to correct the latter:

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Sorry but that green and yellow is hideous to me.
 
Wrong marketing decision: Apple should hace kept the 5 with reduced pricing by $150. They did it right with ipad mini ret. It blows away competitions. They also should study Chinese culture more. A person there could sell 1 kidney to buy an ipad.
 
Iphone 5c is in position ladt years iphone 4s and according to known numbers it is selling better than last years ip 4s, so about what failure are you talking? It just took place of ip 5 - with same specs (little better front camera and battery). I bet apple was not planning to sell ip 5c equally to ip5s. Please, wake up
 
Eh, I think this isn't necessarily by design, but not a problem for Apple. They gave the "analysts" and "pundits" what they wanted -- a low cost iPhone -- and the consumers aren't buying it. Now Tim and Co. can turn around and say, "See? It didn't work. Now let us get back to doing what we do best -- hyper focusing on a single product."


No they did not give people what they wanted a low cost iPhone.

they made a High priced low cost iPhone so closely priced to the new model that for the XXX different you may as well get the better one.

It's almost as if they did this deliberately and priced them so close this would happen.
 
No, not fooling. It's just that the pricing was such that the choice, on an even playing field, is pathetically obvious. Not so much fooling, as it was insulting the intelligence of consumers.

AGAIN - there is a subset of consumers, who fit the 5c better than the 5s. Super for them.

You sound offended. I don't get it. The 5C appeals to a number of consumers, i.e. those that don't care about the flashy new specs that they would hardly notice anyway, and that might like the color options. I think you're being highly offensive to that subset of consumers.
 
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