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This is a joke. Technology will continue existing just fine without Apple and Microsoft. If Apple wants to leave the EU, fine, we'll buy OnePlus and Samsung instead.

GREAT! Then buy OnePlus and Samsung and leave Apple and those of us who like Apple alone.

See how the market works? In fact, Samsung already has a much larger marketshare than Apple in the EU.

The market is working as it should.
 
I have no idea what you're taking about with regards to "social consequences."



Apple is not an oligopoly. Apple does not collude with Google or Samsung or Huawei or others. It competes with them. And in the EU, Apple only has about 25% market share. This is a nonsensical argument.



LOL. Good luck with that. "To the barricades!"
Maybe teens and even grown ups bullying each other because of iMessage and the general view that having an iPhone implies you have a higher social status? I mean case manufacturers intentionally develop cases with a cutout around the apple logo...

Apple has multi-billion dollar contracts with the parties mentioned, therefore they're an oligopoly - they will be attacking each other in front of the general public.

Weakening Apple will only be bad for Apple - it will be good for everyone else.
 
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And their uses complain that they don’t get features. Maybe instead of complaining here they should petition their government.
 
Yeah but, at least in some parts of the world this has social consequences, and Apple is intentionally not doing anything because it's profitable for them.

You keep bringing up this market share argument but at the end of the day Apple is part of an oligopoly and it still needs to be regulated. They didn't get to the top by being sweet and nice.

Apple needs to face consequences whenever it's found guilty of something, and yes, it could include them developing software for others (there are precedents of this, by the way, e.g Atari vs Coleco) or opening up their ecosystem.
Everyone now wants to find Apple guilty of being successful. Back in the 90's when Apple was struggling to survive, nobody cared, except those who would criticize Apple for being a failure.
Now everyone wants a piece of a pie they never worked for to build.
 
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Apple is getting what it’s earned. Their AppStore greed has caused a world of hurt on them. Because they wouldn’t let go of their IAP fees, and anti-steering rules, now they have to open up their OS more and more. So so so many commentators warned them that if they kept on their path of AppStore greed that legislation would come and dictate how they run their business.
 
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Margarethe Vestager has single handily set back the EU years by her ridiculous regulations. They should not be stifling innovation. She is regulating what she doesn’t even understand. Thank the maker they are finally realizing this by firing her!
 
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1. The App Store hasn't been designated as a gatekeeper, Apple has.
Ummm...you might want to check that again. The App store HAS been designated a gatekeeper. As has IOS.

3. Your entire argument seems to based on the EU using the Digital Markets Act to attack US companies as some form of protectionism yet this doesn't explain why the same US companies are also facing regulatory action in the US and elsewhere?

Apple is not facing regulator action in the US. They are facing a lawsuit from the DOJ. If you don't understand the difference, perhaps you should read up on it. And, btw, the DOJ will lose the case badly.
 
Ummm...that's exactly what Apple is being asked to do. IF Apple uses any of it's code in a way that benefits Apple over the competition, the DMA seemingly forces Apple to open that code up to any third party that wants it.

No they aren't. Not at all. They may be being asked to provide a public API but that is not open sourcing the entire OS.
 
If EU companies don't like something, they are more than welcome to create a phone that competes with both Samsung and Apple.
This isn't about 'EU companies not liking something'. It's about the EU as a market regulator. Market regulators don't respond to inbalances by launching their own competing products. That would be like saying that the FAA's response to Boeing's non-compliance should be to set up their own aircraft manufacturing company.
 
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Nothing the EU makes sense, their attack on Apple is just money grab, they demand things to be a certain way without making it really work for their citizens. There is an entire disconnect with how the EU is behaving lately and it is worrisome as their aim is not to make it safe but rather unsafe. I don't understand why we need another app store on our device, why we can't have AI, why I can't mirror my iPhone in my MacOS 15... these are odd decisions. It should be up to the customer right to choose. Someone ought to investigate the integrity of the EU and their decisions.

EDIT: Also EU is spending far too much time going after Apple and spending resources on it rather than protecting and ensuring their citizens are safe walking outside at night, that financially they are not going to suffer due to the mass migration etc.
Disagree with just about every point. Maybe though the EU would reimplement allowing Apple to be the anticompetitive bully if their citizens voted them out - that could only happen if AAPL pulls out of the EU market first. I think the EU is doing what is best for consumers. All these people that defend Apple should be AAPL shareholders. Otherwise, AAPL is anticompetitive and not good for consumers. The EU has successfully ensured many small and medium businesses stay in business by stopping massive anticompetitive companies don’t have access to anticompetitive/monopolistic properties.
 
Maybe on this forum but I assure you plenty of US citizens absolutely take the side of the EU in these cases. There is a lot of fanboy rhetoric going on but as with USB-C, this is another great thing.

Please show me your data supporting this assertion. (Hint, you don't have any data supporting this assertion).

Here's my data: Apple customer satisfaction surveys. Look them up.
 
First Monopolies became illegal...
Then Duopolies became illegal
Now Oligopolies is the new trend..
What's next? Anyone with a foot on the market will become illegal?
 
In the case of smartwatches they just have to enable forwarding of notifications and calls that's it.😂
That is not correct because iOS already does that.

Fitbit smartwatches have been able to get notifications and even answer calls on device for years.

So this has to be much deeper than that.
 
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I can't never understand why folks argue against their own interests and stan for megacorps instead

Market ecomonics functions under the idea that you and I can have radically different ideas about what our individual interests are. Your comment suggests that YOUR interest is universal, and that you know better than I do what is in my interest. This is what underlies the idea that Government needs to protect consumers.

But it's a false idea. YOU don't know what my interest is better than I do. And when you try to simply implement YOUR interest in my stead, you're operating as an authoritarian.

You don't know what I want.
 
That is not correct because iOS already does that.

Fitbit smartwatches have been able to get notifications and even answer calls on device for years.

So this has to be much deeper than that.

Indeed. I also get call notifications on my Wahoo Element Bolt. It must a silly Garmin thing why Garmin cannot do it.
 
Please show me your data supporting this assertion. (Hint, you don't have any data supporting this assertion).

Here's my data: Apple customer satisfaction surveys. Look them up.
These surveys don't prove anything, especially since this is not a political cause. They are also liable to being manipulated. This is a non-argument.
 
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And like when did Apple stoped this ?
In Samsung’s case, they switched to a new watchOS that wasn’t compatible not Apple.

I can't never understand why folks argue against their own interests and stan for megacorps instead

People have different opinions on what is in their best interest. We may not agree with them, but their opinion is the same as our opinion in terms of validity.

As for products and services, ultimately Apple charges more for their products in the EU than in the US, and by quite a bit, too. And they offer less functional services of their own while trying to weasel out of the DMA. So I'd argue you're acting in Apple's interests and not yours.

Of course they do complying with AU rules and regulations cost them money and Apple is going to charge the cost of compliant. No one is getting that two year warranty for free. It’s baked in the price of every device every user buys whether or not they use it in the end it’s simply good business sense, and basic economics.

It will be interesting to see what happens when people buy iPhones outside of the EU and then discover that some of the features that work outside the EU may not work in the EU when you set the country location to that area you’ll get the features of that area, no light no doubt, but you won’t get features that aren’t in that area, as I understand how it works now.

In addition, if you bought the phone outside of the US your warranty rights under EU law don’t apply because the seller was not Apple Europe but our location outside of the EU and Apple could reasonably require you to take the phone back to the country of origin.

Apple currently has a worldwide warranty for items that do not plug-in so an iPhone has a worldwide warranty as a Mac, but they only need to honor the one year warranty and not the two year.
 
Maybe though the EU would reimplement allowing Apple to be the anticompetitive bully if their citizens voted them out

EU citizens have the power to vote with their wallets. EU citizens have actually shown that they overwhelmingly prefer Android-based smartphones to iPhone. Apple only holds about 25% marketshare.

How is this not achieving the end you're hoping for already?
 
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