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Spotify is a service.

its available everywhere on all platforms, they don't hold the rights to stream ALL music.

You don't understand what a gatekeeper is do you?

Europeans choose Spotify over Apple Music because they prefer it.

Stop this USA being bullied chat 😂
Spotify absolutely meets all the pre-requisites listed in the law to be a gatekeeper except the E.U. intentionally excluded music streaming as a service (they did include video streaming though). Wonder why?
 
I’m saying the EU is a joke.
Are you a citizen in an EU country? EU is certainly not a joke but like any governmental structure is not perfect. There is criticism of EU in all countries but usually regarding bigger issues like democratic processes, immigration, sustainable development, clean energy, and the surrounding world. Still since Brexit, not even the right and left wings in my country want us to leave EU anymore so EU must be doing something right.

iOS integration comes very far down the list compared to these societal challenges.
 
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They don’t have to leave the market, just announce that they would by some date in the future due to the oppressive nature of the EC. The blowback that would cause for the EC would quickly have them reverse their nonsense. No consumer is asking for this but they sure want their Apple devices to work.
You mean Europe that isn't scared of bullying over green bubbles? buys android and doesn't care?

Dream on if you think most people will care if they pull out, Pixel, Galaxy, one plus, nothing etc watch China bring their A game.

The hit to profits would end Tims reign.
 
Tell me you don't understand the DMA without telling me you don't understand DMA..

The DMA is about monopolist gatekeepers, not companies in general who have the biggest share in their market...
Tell me you don’t understand the DMA without telling me you don’t understand the DMA.

The DMA is about busting Apple using revenue as the metric.
 
Maybe it's time for you to buy something else then, because your self-interest is more important for you than Apple's.
I’d love to. And Apple wants to sell me that product. Unfortunately the EU in their arrogance has decided they know better and are taking away my choice.

It’s simple. If I want to buy it, and Apple wants to sell it to me, the EU should butt out.
 
I love these EU threads, its just filled to the brim with Americans having a stroke over an American company being told off by europeans 🤣

I said it before and ill say it again.

It is not USA vs Europe, it IS trillion dollar Apple having to comply with European laws just like they do in china.

Get. over. it.

They only care about profit, not you or the flag, PROFIT.

It's targeting harassments. There are at least 5 other companies on this planet that have a worse walled garden then Apple. [Sony, Google, Amazon, Meta]. I don't see the EU going after Sony, or Meta.

When it comes to smartphones, the EU doesn't like that no one other then Apple can make iOS, make iPhones. They want Samsung, OnePlus, Huawei to manufacture iPhones and have their own iOS software.

Apple gave them side-load = Not happy
Apple gave them USB-C = Not happy
Apple gave them RCS = Not happy

EU demands more = Apple says "". It's time Apple reminded the world who the real boss is.

Apple is a trillion dollar company because they deserved it. The EARNED the right. The entire tech existence is because of Apple and MSFT. Without them, none of this would exist.
 
I really love how people claim that users have a choice in phone, so there's no reason for the EU to force this.

Well the reality is that the reverse is true -- Apple has a choice in where they sell it. If they want to have draconian oversight and restrictions into their APIs and remove any level of extensibility in a true open market, they can choose to not sell product in the EU.

As a "gatekeeper" product, Apple effectively does business in the EU and must therefore adhere to EU sales rules. By creating products that effectively only interact with themselves they create restrictions, no matter how we really want to slice it.

For example, if Apple wanted to sell phones in a region where the radio frequencies were different, they would also have to adhere to those regional restrictions, not the other way around. Pretty arrogant to even remotely think otherwise.

As much as I want to defend both Apple AND the EU, only one of those two entities is thinking on behalf of all users, not just Apple, and has nothing to do with finances for the EU. And that point shouldn't be lost on people. Like, literally Apple would've kept using Lightning cables if it wasn't for the EU, and that was absolutely, 100% a purist money grab on behalf of Apple.
 
So how do you rationalise the US DOJ antitrust lawsuit in your head? Or the direction Japan is heading?
I can't rationalize the US DOJ antitrust lawsuit. I think it is BS. I'm not sure exactly what you are referring to in Japan, but I think you are talking about them moving to regulate the iOS App Store similar the EU measures. If that is the what you are referring to then I feel the same way about it as I do the EU actions, I think it is legislative overreach.

I think governmental authority should be used sparingly and only when there is clear, demonstratable, and significant harm being done to individuals and/or organizations. I am not someone that thinks there is no appropriate place for regulation or legislation. But I think in an instance where there is no lack of information about how a product and/or platform works then consumer should use their buying power to influence design decisions, not governmental authority.
 
RCS is such a great feature, the most important one for ios18. thank you EU! where's the removable batteries!?? :D
 
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How is spotify prohibiting other streaming services to integrate with iOS / android?
Spotify prohibits users from interoperating with non-Spotify services.

Spotify should be required to let users easily and freely export their playlists and data to competitors.

Spotify should be forced to pay higher revenue to musicians for each stream.

Spotify should be forced to open up its App to competing music devices using standard APIs not private Spotify specific ones.

Treat Spotify exactly how the EU treats other Gatekeepers.
 
Spotify absolutely meets all the pre-requisites listed in the law to be a gatekeeper except the E.U. intentionally excluded music streaming as a service (they did include video streaming though). Wonder why?

Again, this is nonsense.

Conveniently ignores that Spotify and music streaming generally is also drawing scrutiny from the EU.

 
As much as I want to defend both Apple AND the EU, only one of those two entities is thinking on behalf of all users, not just Apple, and has nothing to do with finances for the EU. And that point shouldn't be lost on people. Like, literally Apple would've kept using Lightning cables if it wasn't for the EU, and that was absolutely, 100% a purist money grab on behalf of Apple.
This is such a bad argument. Apple was CLEARLY moving to USB-C. Maybe not as fast enough as you want, but they were. At most, the EU got it put in place a few years early. And now we are stuck with USB-C for all eternity because of the EU. There will never be a better charger. Thank God they didn't do this when micro-usb was the primary charger.
 
They don’t have to leave the market, just announce that they would by some date in the future due to the oppressive nature of the EC. The blowback that would cause for the EC would quickly have them reverse their nonsense. No consumer is asking for this but they sure want their Apple devices to work.
@oppressive nature of the EC

huh? you're assuming apple is the only brand on this market, and what's more worrying is that you're assuming unfair business practices should be allowed?

There's not gonna be any blowback other than angry Apple fanboys complaining online, the rest of the world will move on.
 
Again, this is nonsense.

Conveniently ignores that Spotify and music streaming generally is also drawing scrutiny from the EU.

Spotify makes more revenue and has more users in the EU than the App Store. How on earth is this nonsense?
 
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