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I never really understood why people want an ipad (other than image) its a big ipod touch. It can't replace a laptop, it wont obviously replace an ipod....whats the point of it?

The iPad has no point.

It is simply a way to get folks to turn loose of money in order to boost APPL.

It is such a pointless item, however...that every other company is scrambling to release some facsimile.

Oh yeah... I'm not giving mine up....:)
 
That is true. Froyo is not designed for tablet, Google said so itself. Wait until 3.0 comes out.

As for the 2.3% marketshare for Android tablets, it feels just like fall of 2009 when Android falls had something like 5% of smartphone market share. Fast forward one year and it exploded to 44%. So don't count out Android tablets; the real battle hasn't even begun yet.

Thank you for correctly noting that current Android versions are not meant for tablets according to Google. Amazing how many people do not know this. And you are right that a year from now the Android tablet market will be much better than it is now. But I don't see the connection between smartphones and tablets as analogy for the following reasons:

1. iPhones and Android phones are the same price, more or less, with subsidizing. That is not true of iPad and Android tablets so far. Right now they have to create smaller screens and charge slightly more just to compete. Apple has the ability to create a premium product for a reasonable price point that no one else can touch. Until that changes, iPad will be the choice.

2. Did you notice the news today about netbooks running Chrome OS coming out later this month? Google's future is Chrome, not Android. Google wants you to be on the Web where they show you ads. Android is their starter kit, as it were, while they got Chrome going, but Chrome is the future. A year from now all the buzz will be around Chrome, not Android. Things change fast in this industry and I think most Android supporters are going to be surprised how quickly Google shifts gears on them.
 
I never really understood why people want an iPod touch. It's just a small iPad or an iPhone without the phone. It can't be used as a phone and obviously won't replace an iPad....what's the point of it? ;)

LOL, I understood why posted this, it was to make a point against that nonsense post from someone else, but you're slightly wrong about the iPod Touch, I certainly use it daily as a Skype phone. I have a paid for Skype account with a phone number for incoming and outgoing calls. Yeah, it requires wifi but I make a lot of business calls on it. :)
 
I think the big impediment right now is the lack of name recognition for any slate other than the iPad. Maybe the RIM Playbook is more familiar to the business crowd. But certainly the average person wouldn't know what the Samsung Galaxy Tab is to respond as wanting one in a survey. We'll have to see how things change once they are all released and the marketing campaigns really start.

I think there is also risk that some of the other players are going to confuse customers by releasing all kinds of models of tablets. Apple basically has just one model of the iPad. Whether or not you want 3G tacked on, and how much storage you want, are all just options surrounding the one model. Other companies seem to be coming out with up to a half-dozen different models, in different sizes, with different features. Yes, choice is good, but it's going to cause confusion. ("What do you mean it won't run on my Android tablet? It runs on his... oh, because he has a 7" screen and mine only has a 5"... "oh, it's because he's got a WinMo tablet, mine's Android.. even though both our tablets are from the same company...")
 
Most folks haven't seen any of these other Tablets yet, so when asked, it's not surprising they say they're more likely to buy an iPad.

The iPad is an incredibly useful computer, in many ways, the first serious step forward in human computer interfaces since Xerox developed the Mouse/Window/Pointer paradigm 30+ years ago.

I'm looking forward to serious competition in this market. This first batch of competing devices isn't quite there yet, but I expect we'll see more action late next year as the second round of tablets face off against the older iPad 2.
 
LOL, I understood why posted this, it was to make a point against that nonsense post from someone else, but you're slightly wrong about the iPod Touch, I certainly use it daily as a Skype phone. I have a paid for Skype account with a phone number for incoming and outgoing calls. Yeah, it requires wifi but I make a lot of business calls on it. :)

:)
I was aware of the Skype functionality when I wrote that, but employed some "artistic license" to make a point. ;)

(In case anyone is confused, I'm not having a go at the iPod touch, which I think is a wonderful device!)
 
Very true and from what I've seen... Android is no palm, I'm a loyal apple consumer but I've been keeping my eye on android. If I was to buy a tablet it would be based on android O.S. If apple did not make a major refresh.

One thing you can count on from Apple is a major refresh. By this time next year iOS 4.2 will already be well in hand, and the next version (or even multiple versions) of the iPad will be on the market. Mac OS X Lion will be out and creating a universe where all these devices just work great together.

You'll get your major refresh. Just wait. Remember what the 2001 iPod looked like? Compare it to today's iPod touch. That's what's in store for us in this decade of the tablet.
 
Playbook numbers biggest surprise

The biggest surprise for me was the #2 choice was a RIM playbook.

I would think the Samsung Galaxy Tab with tons of press, and reviews saying it is the best Android tablet, would have won the day.

The RIM playbook is pure "me too" desperation, They won't even be offering a Native SDK, it's SDK is for cross platform tool AIR, which means pretty much every Air developer will be clicking the Android target output as well, so Android will have a Superset of RIM apps.
 
I remember the time when the Mac had almost 100% market share in the 'computers with a graphical user interface' niche. Then came Windows, and we all know where that put the Mac. And now comes Android.

Apple should be smart about this and license iOS to other tablet manufacturers. But then again, somebody in Cupertino has a huge ego and will never do it.
 
I never really understood why people want an ipad (other than image) its a big ipod touch. It can't replace a laptop, it wont obviously replace an ipod....whats the point of it?

Bigger screens and higher resolutions allow for other ways to use devices. The iPad is indeed a bigger iPod Touch, but due to its bigger screen it allows for another kind of applications and particularly much more usability throughout these apps.

Applications like Pulse for example are available for both the iPod Touch and the iPad, but I much prefer the iPad version because it allows for faster navigation and easier reading.

In the end I would be one of those people that is somewhat unsatisfied by the iPad though. A device like that doesn't work without decent multitasking, for which we've been waiting for months now. I'm pretty disappointed about the lack of support for populair video formats like H.264 in an MKV container. And I had expected VLC to be able to atleast show a 720P in said format.
The browsing experience is slow and doesn't allow for easy use of multiple tabs.
 
I never really understood why people want an ipad (other than image) its a big ipod touch. It can't replace a laptop, it wont obviously replace an ipod....whats the point of it?

It's very simple. People are enjoying and preferring using the iPad over any other computing device including desktops, laptops, and smartphones for the majority of things they have traditionally used those devices for.

Most people already have traditional computers so it doesn't have to be able to do everything. It just has to be overall better at doing the things people have traditionally spent the majority of their time using their computer doing. And that is where it has won over consumers. And when I say better I mean when you want to do something and you own an ipad, desktop, and laptop and all 3 are able to do what you want to do, which one do you actually reach for? Which one do you prefer to use? Increasingly, people are finding the answer is the iPad. Just look at all the stories and posts of people saying how less they use their desktop or laptop now that they own the iPad. The other 10-20% of things they can't do on the iPad is what they (perhaps grudgingly) use their traditional computers for.
 
I never really understood why people want an ipad (other than image) its a big ipod touch. It can't replace a laptop, it wont obviously replace an ipod....whats the point of it?

Replaced my laptop here. My guess; you don't own one, and don't have enough time with one to make a credible "blanket" statement. It may not serve the needs of all laptop users, certainly, but it is a fact that it does for many. Therefore, defacto, your statement is incorrect.
 
In the end I would be one of those people that is somewhat unsatisfied by the iPad though. A device like that doesn't work without decent multitasking, for which we've been waiting for months now. I'm pretty disappointed about the lack of support for populair video formats like H.264 in an MKV container. And I had expected VLC to be able to atleast show a 720P in said format.
The browsing experience is slow and doesn't allow for easy use of multiple tabs.

Video is best enjoyed as a streaming experience on the iPad. For tabbed, ad-free browsing Atomic fits the bill.
 
I love my iPad but this statistic is cotton candy. Sweet to the taste but disappears quickly.

What I mean is - it's pretty meaningless. What's the competition at this point. Right now - pretty much the only TABLET computer is the iPad. Of course they're going to have dominant marketshare.

I have 100 percent of the marketshare for users named SamCraig here. Means nothing.

I look forward to seeing the pie chart a year from now.
 
I remember the time when the Mac had almost 100% market share in the 'computers with a graphical user interface' niche. Then came Windows, and we all know where that put the Mac. And now comes Android.

Apple should be smart about this and license iOS to other tablet manufacturers. But then again, somebody in Cupertino has a huge ego and will never do it.

You need to read this.

http://daringfireball.net/2004/08/parlay

You're a bit mistaken about the way things happened.
 
I love my iPad but this statistic is cotton candy. Sweet to the taste but disappears quickly.

What I mean is - it's pretty meaningless. What's the competition at this point. Right now - pretty much the only TABLET computer is the iPad. Of course they're going to have dominant marketshare.

Microsoft would disagree with you. They've been selling tablet PCs for a decade now.
 
The tablet market is in its infancy, manufacturers didn't understand what the customer wanted. The iPad was the first to bring something that the user wanted or identified with. Apple's marketing also played a large part in convincing people that they need an iPad.

Its a good start for Apple but I don't expect them to hang on to their lead, in light of the many Android devices that will be released in the next couple of years ( not forgetting BlackBerry too !) .

A iPad will be a lot more attractive IMO when Apple a camera on it for video conferencing.
 
1. iPhones and Android phones are the same price, more or less, with subsidizing. That is not true of iPad and Android tablets so far. Right now they have to create smaller screens and charge slightly more just to compete. Apple has the ability to create a premium product for a reasonable price point that no one else can touch. Until that changes, iPad will be the choice.

2. Did you notice the news today about netbooks running Chrome OS coming out later this month? Google's future is Chrome, not Android. Google wants you to be on the Web where they show you ads. Android is their starter kit, as it were, while they got Chrome going, but Chrome is the future. A year from now all the buzz will be around Chrome, not Android. Things change fast in this industry and I think most Android supporters are going to be surprised how quickly Google shifts gears on them.


It actually bewilders me that the basic Galaxy Tab model is $100 more expensive than the basic iPad model. What is Samsung thinking? $400 with a 2 year contract? This is just ridiculous. :rolleyes:

As for the future google OS, it seems Android will merge with Chrome eventually. I doubt Andoird will be phased out anytime soon. Wasn't there an article last week that Android was the best purchase Google ever made? ;)
 
Of course Android tablets are only just now being released in the wild, so of course their market share is tiny. But just wait until next quarter when of necessity their market share will rise while, also of necessity, iPad market share will fall. That will bring everyone out of the woodwork to yell incessantly how Android is "catching up to iPad!"
I would agree with you--except for one point: The first chart asked people what they would buy, not what they did buy. This means that, at least for now, relatively few people have any interest in anything but an iPad, despite the several different tabs now- or soon-to-be offered.

I never really understood why people want an ipad (other than image) its a big ipod touch. It can't replace a laptop, it wont obviously replace an ipod....whats the point of it?
According to some, it has already replaced the iPod Touch and even laptop use is down as the iPad is able to do most of what they used that laptop for. That said, it means that laptops may not be as necessary for many and their users can buy a less-expensive desktop for home use, supplemented by the iPad or other tablet. Many laptops are purchased today because the buyer wants both a desktop machine and a mobile machine, but can't really afford both. They get better maintainability and reliability with the desktop at a lower up-front cost with easier mobility using a tablet.

In my business, I've seen others use them for typing quick notes during meetings, sending emails, referring to minutes, agendas, etc;. The larger screen makes it easier for doing productivity work (no thumb typing). Certainly not a replacement for a laptop, but there are some uses.
And you're just seeing the tip of the iceburg. Considering its ability to offer data input to a database such as customer lists, library catalogs and similar purposes, the ipad can be a better choice than single-purpose devices (inventory management) or notebook/netbook devices (mobility/single-hand usability). If you need to sit down and do extensive typing, a bluetooth keyboard or even hard-wired (USB or Apple 30-pin connector) lets you use a full-sized keyboard as compared to netbooks or smaller notebooks while still being lighter and more mobile when you're on the go. You don't really need a full-time keyboard attached when the touchscreen lets you make quick notes and updates.
 
I love my iPad but this statistic is cotton candy. Sweet to the taste but disappears quickly.

What I mean is - it's pretty meaningless. What's the competition at this point. Right now - pretty much the only TABLET computer is the iPad. Of course they're going to have dominant marketshare.

I have 100 percent of the marketshare for users named SamCraig here. Means nothing.

I look forward to seeing the pie chart a year from now.

What's completely flawed about your argument is that you somehow forgot that the iPad is the competition for the "other" existing tablets and in fact the iPad is the last to come to the market so if those "other" tablets couldn't make it in the first place you can forget about them stealing much of the iPad's market unless they steal the iPad's functionality and at that point they'll be nothing more than a worthless clone that's "LIKE" an iPad.
 
I remember the time when the Mac had almost 100% market share in the 'computers with a graphical user interface' niche. Then came Windows, and we all know where that put the Mac. And now comes Android.

Apple should be smart about this and license iOS to other tablet manufacturers. But then again, somebody in Cupertino has a huge ego and will never do it.

You dont get it. Apple isn't really a software company. They make software simply to support and improve their hardware. They have always been about the hardware. Today, as always, Apple still sells far more computers than Microsoft. Oh, and their market cap and profits are also higher. People will buy the iPad for the "Apple experience". Putting their OS on an HP product would give buyers a hardware alternative to that experience.
 
The biggest surprise for me was the #2 choice was a RIM playbook.

I would think the Samsung Galaxy Tab with tons of press, and reviews saying it is the best Android tablet, would have won the day.

The RIM playbook is pure "me too" desperation, They won't even be offering a Native SDK, it's SDK is for cross platform tool AIR, which means pretty much every Air developer will be clicking the Android target output as well, so Android will have a Superset of RIM apps.

well you have to remember The Tab only just really hit the market and still only has limited number of outlets but the press seems to like it. For the most part I find this article worthless and only something the fanboys will scream about. It is worthless because most of those other tablets just hit the market and still have VERY VERY limited places you can buy them from.

As for the Playbook. I would except to see the SDK later on it and RIM more than likely has not had the time to write it yet. It is not like the SDK's for there phones and the OS for their phones. Those they have most of the stuff already done for each phone and just have to load in a few things.
The playbook is using a very different CPU architecture and a radical different OS. Playbook from what I have been reading looks like the directly RIM is going to go with their phones and the phones OS. Just it is going to take a little longer before they are able to make that transition. Remember RIM does enterprise business first and in the enterprise and business world thing change a lot slower. RIM just can not make as radical changes as consumer products.
 
I remember the time when the Mac had almost 100% market share in the 'computers with a graphical user interface' niche. Then came Windows, and we all know where that put the Mac. And now comes Android.

Apple should be smart about this and license iOS to other tablet manufacturers. But then again, somebody in Cupertino has a huge ego and will never do it.

So during that time did the Mac have a $20 Billion dollar revenue quarter and was it the world's second largest company by market value? I don't think so. I guess the guy in Cupertino with the "huge ego" must know what he's doing. As a matter of fact, one of the first things he did when he returned was to stop licensing their OS to 3rd parties. I think I trust his business decisions over yours.
 
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