This is great! My XR will become a stealth model. When people ask if I have the new SE, I will be able to say, with some pride, "No--this is much older, and much less powerful!".
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Apple Has Not Finalized Details for iPhone SE 4 Display, 5.7" to 6.1" OLED and LCD Screens Under Consideration
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That’s wrong. Those are entirely different markets.
The SE should be bigger because it’s more popular and cheaper to produce.
I agree and GrumpyMom rocks
12/23 mini as a base for new SE would be perfect, 11 would be great (dual cameras!), XR would be kind of as expected. Whatever they do, I hope they choose to keep the price in check, because that's the main point of SE. OLED is nice, but certainly not needed, especially if it means higher price. Currently SE costs 100 eur more in my country than 6 years ago, when I bought mine 1st gen, which is getting pretty expensive for such an old looking design, which is even missing many of the features that have become standard these days (like wide camera and night mode).
Why surely be? I realize there were price increases overseas due to the stronger USD but the U.S. price of the SE only increased $30 between 2016 and 2022 ($399 to $429). I think Apple would look to keep the SE 4 price still under $500.
My apologies, I was thinking of European prices. The increase in prices was much higher here; it's insane.
Ok some fair points. Tech journos can be annoying with always wanting the ‘new’:
The iPhone 14 got less than glowing reviews because it was ‘boring’ despite it being the best version ever of the default iPhone.
I guess my axe to grind is that no matter how apple markets it as great value, using the iPhone 6 still as a basis for the SE in 2022 was a step too far.
The XR body would’ve been more credible IMHO - and that’s still 4 years old (or 3.5 years back in March).
You don’t agree with me though - which is fair enough - so we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
Only Apple knows the true sales figures and whether it’s a success according to their KPIs.l so we could argue the point of whether the SE 2022 is a success or not.
But just compare the iPhone SE 2022 with android phones at the same price points. The SE just doesn’t feel modern in the same way as most of these phones do.
Although I read in another post here that the SE is favoured by corporations, hospitals etc as work phones as it’s so dependable for not that much money. I get that.
In the end, If I knew a private individual in the market for the SE and they wanted a modern iPhone I’d advise them to either get a:
- reconditioned phone 12 (or 12 mini)
- or if they aren’t wedded to the iPhone and use gmail, the pixel 6a is a way better choice IMHO.
But not to be suckered by one of the most profitable companies in the world who are still selling products with chassis from 5+ years ago, just to meet various price / profitability targets.
It doesn’t bode well for Apple that they’re starting to leave ‘old’ looking products hanging around in their price list - it just makes them look money grabbing.
Hi there, I get PWM sometimes - but I only find that this is a problem when the iphone OLED screen is on very high brightness with the auto brightness turned off (as they do on the display models in the Apple Store).
So give that a try maybe? Else if you have, I just think that there’s a problem with many of us and the way that OLED screens refresh themselves that irritates the eye.
SE iPhone consumers are not spec but price conscious. They need larger screen real estate(current round touchid and 4.7" out, 5.7" in) in a smaller frame. If Apple comes out with SE4 with the same design as SE3 with just internal updates then consider SE4 is DOA. Apple have to make drastic changes to SE4 design to keep it alive. Changes like edge-to-edge screen, move touchid to power button or faceid, keep price low as possible. Apple should make sure every iPhone liking users to stay within Apple echo system.
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I still wonder will the iPhone SE 4 be essentially an iPhone 13 Mini but with Touch ID on an enlarged power button, a single front selfie camera on a small cutout, and a single sensor rear camera?
The big points missing are:- there is a large chunk of the market that wants an iPhone, doesn't want to use Android, happy to use a smaller phone if it does what they want it for, doesn't need the latest and greatest (but would want their phone to be fast and updated with software).
My parents are a prime example. They could care less what a phone looks like - as long it's an iPhone (because it just works), takes photos and works for messages. They like touch ID because it's what they know. The SE does what they want and need.
And then there is me, who cannot use any OLED phone due to PWM, currently stuck on a 7 Plus. An SE is my only upgrade path to keep LCD (currently) and to stay with iOS. I will happily take an SE 8 Plus, SE X, SE 12 Mini, SE 12 etc - as long as it with LCD.
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The iPhone X had a 5.8" oled screen, this SE could have an LCD screen so with bigger bezels it could be 5.7" even with the iPhone X body
Oh I’ve tried all sorts of settings and remedies. It’s unfortunately very tricky. I have immediate discomfort with some iPhone OLED displays. I have the 14 Pro Max. I don’t have eye strain with it. And I can use it for an hour or so to do emails just fine. But regular daily use and web surfing mess up my nervous system in more subtle ways. I start to get vertigo and problems with coordination.
These days I switch between my iPhone 11 and my 14 Pro Max. I’m fortunate to have those options.
History is a great predictor of the future. All three iPhone SE models to date have been based upon previous phones, to keep the R&D costs low. I would expect the same to be true in the future. The most likely candidates would be iPhone X, iPhone XR and iPhone 12/13 mini. The XR has been out of production long enough that any 'new' phone based upon it wouldn't compete with any existing phones, and it only has 1 camera, again consistent with the previous phones. I expect the 5.7" screen, a size that has never been used in any phones to date is a red herring. I look forward to an iPhone SE 4 in the spring of 2024 that's based upon the iPhone XR.
Apple has yet to finalize the display size for its planned 2024 iPhone SE 4, display analyst Ross Young said in a tweet today that was shared with Super Followers. Apple is mulling a number of decisions related to the size of the display and the display material.
The company is said to be considering 6.1-inch OLED displays from two suppliers, as well as 5.7 to 6.1-inch LCDs from two suppliers. Given this information, it is as of yet unclear whether Apple will go with a 5.7-inch display or a 6.1-inch display, and whether that display will use OLED technology or LCD technology.
An OLED display would be more expensive, with the current iPhone SE model using an LCD display with thick bezels and a Touch ID Home button. Apple's flagship iPhone lineup is equipped with OLED panels, with all models using OLED since the iPhone 12.
It is possible that OLED panels have come down in price enough for Apple to use them for the low-cost iPhone SE, especially as it is not set to launch for another two years.
Both the 5.7 and 6.1-inch display sizes have been rumored in the past, including from Young himself. That Apple has not yet made a final decision explains why we continue to hear about two different panel sizes.
Regardless of whether Apple goes with a 5.7-inch display or a 6.1-inch display, Young believes the iPhone SE 4 will feature an all-display design with a notch, but it is not yet known if Apple will introduce Face ID or stick with Touch ID, and rumors vary on this point.
Article Link: Apple Has Not Finalized Details for iPhone SE 4 Display, 5.7" to 6.1" OLED and LCD Screens Under Consideration
It would require new parts. They probably won’t use steel either. Historically they haven’t done that for the SE.
Agreed! Just use the 13 mini body for the SE. They've got the parts. Perfect size for a phone. I'll use the 48-inch iPad or whatever they come out with next for my large media consumption.
Those are all fair enough points.
I experience PWM often too and wasn't able to get the X even if I wanted to because of that.
I am convinced though that Apple has been tweaking its OLED screens since then as I don't have an issue with the 13 onwards.
And I get your comment about the new SE not having OLED.
Personally, I don't think it will (even though I loved the X and always wanted one) as Apple will want to push people to the higher priced phones for the nicer screens.
After all, if the SE is aimed at people who are happy enough with a decent enough screen and value Applecare+ or ad-hoc 3rd party repairs being relatively cheap, LCD is the way to go.
And yes, fair point about not needing a phone without all of the bells and whistles.
I am a scarred veteran of many a tech support call with my parents, so I can well understand that there's a sizeable amount of the population who just want the familiar interface of the Home Button.
But... I have a hard time imagining that such audience needs or cares about 5G and the A13 is probably more than adequate to run anything on the SE 2020 still.
I mean the iPad 9th gen is still on sale and that uses the A13.
So even though I agree with you on many of these points, the SE 2022 still feels like it kept the iPhone 6 chassis around too long.
Better would've been to repurpose the XR as the 'new' SE with 5g and to have kept the SE 2020 around a bit longer at a lower price point.
i.e. similar to how the iPad is now with the 10th and 9th gen still on Apple's price list.
I used to use my mac for media consumption at home till I bought a new one whose display caused eye strain. There's very little now in Apple's lineup where the display doesn't cause eye strain for me. The SE is the only phone. Even iPads aren't very comfortable even though they are LCD. So right now my main media consumption device has become my phone. In the past I was a huge believer in small phones. I still am. But I could use a bigger phone that doesn't cause eye strain just because of my current predicament. Or until Apple learns how to make their displays more friendly to sensitive users. They could just copy Windows in that regard.
Are you saying you're not favor of the iPhone 6SSSSS being the small-sized option?
I agree. With all the 6-inch plus options, there needs to be a phone for people who want something small. Plus, the SE4 being 2 years away it would be the perfect time to release a 5.4-inch phone cause the 12 and the 13 minis would be offmarket.
A new 5.8" (why does the article say 5.7"?) would be an instant buy for me and I'm a fan of the mini.
But give the 5.8" the iPhone 12 treatment by giving it a cleaner, lighter design than the X/XS. Same as the 6.1" 12 was vs the 11. Ditch the heaviness and rounded sides.
But give the 5.8" the iPhone 12 treatment by giving it a cleaner, lighter design than the X/XS. Same as the 6.1" 12 was vs the 11. Ditch the heaviness and rounded sides.
Wish they’d stop telling us what we want and instead ask. My 13 mini had to be sent in for repairs so I’m forced to use a 6.1 XR and this thing feels like crap. I don’t like having to use two hands. The X was great at 5.8. Slim the bezels and keep the 5.8 or give me a mini 15!
Apple has yet to finalize the display size for its planned 2024 iPhone SE 4, display analyst Ross Young said in a tweet today that was shared with Super Followers. Apple is mulling a number of decisions related to the size of the display and the display material.
The company is said to be considering 6.1-inch OLED displays from two suppliers, as well as 5.7 to 6.1-inch LCDs from two suppliers. Given this information, it is as of yet unclear whether Apple will go with a 5.7-inch display or a 6.1-inch display, and whether that display will use OLED technology or LCD technology.
An OLED display would be more expensive, with the current iPhone SE model using an LCD display with thick bezels and a Touch ID Home button. Apple's flagship iPhone lineup is equipped with OLED panels, with all models using OLED since the iPhone 12.
It is possible that OLED panels have come down in price enough for Apple to use them for the low-cost iPhone SE, especially as it is not set to launch for another two years.
Both the 5.7 and 6.1-inch display sizes have been rumored in the past, including from Young himself. That Apple has not yet made a final decision explains why we continue to hear about two different panel sizes.
Regardless of whether Apple goes with a 5.7-inch display or a 6.1-inch display, Young believes the iPhone SE 4 will feature an all-display design with a notch, but it is not yet known if Apple will introduce Face ID or stick with Touch ID, and rumors vary on this point.
Article Link: Apple Has Not Finalized Details for iPhone SE 4 Display, 5.7" to 6.1" OLED and LCD Screens Under Consideration