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Have you ever used a Samsung Galaxy S2? In case you do, don't be surprised when you sell your iPhone and switch to the Galaxy -- I did. Not only the hardware of the Galaxy is superior to Apple's hardware, the software is also better in every aspect - and unlike iOS, Android does NOT try to restrict the user whenever and wherever possible.

Apple has lost the leadership and no longer has the better products; iOS 5 and iCloud are "me too" designs that basically only implement features that Android has had for a long time now. Since being good is not sufficient when somebody else is better, Apple is now trying pathetic legal games to regain the pole position.

Tell me when you can swipe a screen without a lag and I'll read your comment again.
 
Where did I make a claim, big guy? All I did was doubt your claim.

Edit: here - I'll back up the other guy's claim: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_inn-economy-innovation

US is #1. UK is 4 and Australia 5.

Nice stats but what does Unitless scale even mean?
They do look pretty but not sure they show much of substance.
At best they show "most recent" although the base report is 2001-2002 and a lot has happen economically since then.

They seem to ignore Countries with a vast history of innovation as well. I'm assuming Japan would move much much higher than 12 if it was expended to 100+ year time frame.
 
Nice stats but what does Unitless scale even mean?
They do look pretty but not sure they show much of substance.
At best they show "most recent" although the base report is 2001-2002 and a lot has happen economically since then.

They seem to ignore Countries with a vast history of innovation as well. I'm assuming Japan would move much much higher than 12 if it was expended to 100+ year time frame.

Yes since 2001-2002 apple and google and Twitter and Facebook and intel and AMD have done a lot of innovating. I guess England has ARM. And you guys have nice koalas. :)

Point is, I simply doubt that guy's claims about UK and Australia.
 
Hmm ... a mildy humorous observation

Remember when Apple was still the "young fledgling," "underdog" company?

Fortune 500
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Yadda Yadda
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And now this?
 
Samsung makes cheap crap. The vibrant was the worst phone ever. Al they do is copy apple and then make a POS.

How come Samsung's product are a cheap crap? They use the same components as iPhone (well, Samsung produces most of them anyways) the biggest difference being the display. And we all know that SAMOLED is more expensive than LCD.

It is somewhat amusing to see people gloating about Apple getting their hands on Nortel's patents. I doubt those are really that good for two reasons:
* have you ever heard about Nortel before? Probably not. Then why do you think that their innovations were that good?
* if their innovations were that good, why did they go bankrupt?

Most likely, this patent sale is not going to change that much in a grand scheme of things.

Tell me when you can swipe a screen without a lag and I'll read your comment again.
Well, I do not personally own S2 but by all accounts (anecdotal and official reviews) Galaxy S2 is the fastest phone on the planet right now (and definitely much faster than iPhone 4). And while it has some quirks (just like every other phone), lag is not one of them.
 
And, he [Cringely] recently said Apple's North Carolina Data Center was mostly empty. This was after the keynote when Jobs showed photos of the inside and said it was complete.

What Jobs actually said was something like "Now witness the firepower of this armed and fully operatonal battle station!"

Cringely hasn't witnessed the fire power since his home planet of ignoramus has not been blown up and unfortunately he continues to blog. :rolleyes:
 
Yes since 2001-2002 apple and google and Twitter and Facebook and intel and AMD have done a lot of innovating. I guess England has ARM. And you guys have nice koalas. :)

Point is, I simply doubt that guy's claims about UK and Australia.

Didn't you hear Wifi was ours to start with?
It's not all cute furry killer animals around here.

Oh worth noting some very interesting chunks of Google ie. the earth team are in oz. As well, as AMD and intel research teams. Then again there are lots of them all over the world.

Still doesn't answer the question of what your stats report?
 
As far as I know only 1 more version of Android for phones. Honeycomb is not for phones.

I agree releasing with Fryo at this point is not really acceptable. A reasonable time frame from release of Android to it being updated for the phones in my book is 3 months. That is enough time for the manufactures to get all there crap installed on the phone. They do not have to change the radio stuff so it not like AT&T and others should have any real say in it.

It should not matter what OS the phone is shipped with. The phone should upgrade to the latest OS the moment it is plugged into a computer connected to the internet.

It's interesting to me how rapidly Apple has advanced in the phone business.

Four years ago it entered what was called the upper part of the phone market with aspirations of capturing 5%. They had no patents relating to phones per sec. just some UI patents.

Within that first year Apple became the phone to own, and they were only on one network in one country. Now, Apple is greater then 5% worldwide, and a third of the USA market for smart phones. The iPhone 4 and 3GS are the number one and two selling phones, and now Apple owns a portfolio of important communications patents other manufacturers would love to have.

I cannot think of a similar market that has been so rapidly transformed by a new player as the smart phone market. Maybe the tablet market, but nothing else comes to mind.

iPod, iPad, Google search.

Why does it make sense for them to have patents for LTE/4G? They aren't a carrier. Are they going to build a 4G network that only Apple devices can use? (That would be in character for them, wouldn't it...?) Or are they just going to sit on them and extract fees for their use, just because they can, and it increases their power in the business? (Oh, right, that's how business works...)

I know I'm skeptical that having these patents in Apple's hands will be a good thing for consumers. Especially given their track record in terms of working with other companies, or the rates they offer their developers and content providers.

I'm still not convinced that our patent system does more good than harm.

If you don't have access to the patents, you can't make a phone.
 
What Jobs actually said was something like "Now witness the firepower of this armed and fully operatonal battle station!"

Cringely hasn't witnessed the fire power since his home planet of ignoramus has not been blown up and unfortunately he continues to blog. :rolleyes:

Does it really matter whether this site is full or empty? With iCloud, Apple is probably doomed from the start anyways. It's just not their forte. To run this thing, they have to use somebody else's hardware (rumored to be HP) and software (rumored to be Microsoft). The problem is that Apple just can not cooperate with anybody on a large scale. I have an impression that they are actually universally hated in the industry and no, money can not buy everything.
 
Yes since 2001-2002 apple and google and Twitter and Facebook and intel and AMD have done a lot of innovating. I guess England has ARM. And you guys have nice koalas. :)

Point is, I simply doubt that guy's claims about UK and Australia.

Can't we just write this up as the pointless exaggeration that this is?

I just doubt any "innovation" statistics in general, especially if they're based around patent output. Culture around patents and laws will affect the statistics in a way the statistics wont show or account for.

EG: New Zealand now has a 0% output for software patents. Why? We banned them in 2010. Australia has well defined laws compared to the USA over what is patentable and what isn't. Most of the stuff that flies in America won't fly in Australia.
 
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Meanwhile, the largest contributor of the consortium was said to be Apple who put up $2 billion "for outright ownership of Nortel's Long Term Evolution (4G) patents as well as another package of patents supposedly intended to hobble Android."
Competition drives innovation, so this is not good news whether or not you buy into Android (I don't).
 
This is great news for consumers. It was important our team kept those patents out of Google's hands. Well done :apple: for winning again!
 
I'm personally hoping that they are delaying the iPhone four until september so that they can add LTE support & att has time to roll out the service.
Shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted? iPhone4 has been out since last year.
This is great news for consumers. It was important our team kept those patents out of Google's hands. Well done :apple: for winning again!
You need to give your brain a rest, it's showing the strain of all that koolaid. :rolleyes:
 
Hopefully these patents will allow Apple to drive a stake in Android's heart and put an end to their only real competition.
 
Of all the companies on the list and going after the patents the one that I wanted to own them the least was Apple. Reason being is Apple has a long history of not licencing out patents and doing damage long term but it could be after talks with the DOJ Apple could easily already be required to licence them out at a set rate and my guess what it is currently before they were sold and required to do it for who ever request them at that same rate.

Apple would be in exactly the same position as Nokia was in the Nokia vs. Apple case. All the time it was clear that Nokia had to license the patents, but there was disagreement over the terms, and later an agreement on terms that we don't know. The same thing would happen again.

Hopefully these patents will allow Apple to drive a stake in Android's heart and put an end to their only real competition.

Not going to happen. It would be against the law, it would be against reality, and it would be against Apple's company spirit to operate in this way. Obviously since Google bid $4 billion and Apple and others bid $4.5 billion, you can expect that Android manufacturers will be hundreds of millions in license fees. Just as Apple and RIM would have been paying hundreds of millions in license fees if they hadn't won.


Why does it make sense for them to have patents for LTE/4G? They aren't a carrier. Are they going to build a 4G network that only Apple devices can use? (That would be in character for them, wouldn't it...?) Or are they just going to sit on them and extract fees for their use, just because they can, and it increases their power in the business? (Oh, right, that's how business works...)

First, it keeps Apple (and RIM, and Microsoft, and Sony, and EMC) out of the position they found themselves in when Apple was sued by Nokia, only possibly worse. Second, obviously license fees will be paid by anyone using these patents, so a substantial amount of the money will come back. If it is correct that RIM and Ericcson paid $1.1 bn for their share, then it probably means that between them they expect to get about the same money back in saved license fees that they don't have to pay, plus whatever share they get out of license fees paid by others.
 
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Remember when Apple was still the "young fledgling," "underdog" company?

Fortune 500
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Yadda Yadda
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And now this?

"This"? "This" is when they're a) finally making money, b) expanding, c) consolidating their power.

This was the plan all along. That's the whole point. Except the difference with Apple is that they continue to run the operation like a startup. They aren't the biggest company by any means, but look at what they've done over the past decade. Pure efficiency. Apple is still small. But they're doing some amazing things. They aren't the big, lumbering, slow dinosaur that those other guys are.

They are so much better as a company, as an efficient corporate entity, as a mover-and-shaker, than they ever were in the past.

Yes, the Lisa and Macintosh (I'm using the older, longer name) days are over. At some point as the company grows they're going to move beyond them. You can't stay "fledgeling" forever. It's still a business, and a business that is right at the centre of a very volatile environment. Grow, make a ton of money, beat your rivals to the punch, or die.
 
Have you ever used a Samsung Galaxy S2? In case you do, don't be surprised when you sell your iPhone and switch to the Galaxy -- I did. Not only the hardware of the Galaxy is superior to Apple's hardware, the software is also better in every aspect - and unlike iOS, Android does NOT try to restrict the user whenever and wherever possible.

Apple has lost the leadership and no longer has the better products; iOS 5 and iCloud are "me too" designs that basically only implement features that Android has had for a long time now. Since being good is not sufficient when somebody else is better, Apple is now trying pathetic legal games to regain the pole position.


This has to be the funniest thing I read today.

Hardware is about the same but the iPhone is metal not cheap plastic. LCD vs AMOLED has not proven to be better and I believe the iPhone 4 still has the best DPI, I could be wrong on that. Android restricts you just like IOS does unless you believe Android is open. Why do people "root" Android if it's so open?

IOS5 is a "me too" design, then what is Android? The iPhone was the first popular phone that used icons and a touch screen. Android was originally being built to compete with the Blackberry and then they changed it to work like the iPhone. This is one of the reasons why most original Android phones had a trackball.

iCloud is Apples new version of MobileMe. MobileMe worked fine with the iPhone to sync contacts, calendars, etc. Apple just made iCloud free and to compete better with Google. Apple is not playing a game that was Google who played games bidding like kids. Apple is doing what any other company would do with the patents. Also, Apple hasn't done anything with them yet so it's all speculation.

Before you start spewing crap learn your facts.
 
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I find this rumour pretty unlikely to be honest. I don't think Microsoft would be willing to enter into a coalition that would give a significant collection of 4G patents to Apple... That would be... incredibly stupid of them.
 
I'm a fan of Apple, but I think it's pathetic that Apple (or Google) would buy patents to "hobble" their biggest competitor. The iPhone is a better phone because of the competition with Android. I have no problems with them protecting their own intellectual property like they are doing with Samsung and their blatant ripoff of the iPhone. But to buy patents for the sole purpose of hurting the competition is anti-competitive, and wrong IMO.

I do realize that in the end, it's not really Apple's fault and that they are just playing by the rules of the game. If they hadn't ponied up the $2B, then Google would have done the same to "hobble" Apple. So I don't blame Apple entirely, and instead blame the entire environment created by the awful existing system. But in the end, the consumers lose, which sucks.

You make the best point that totally negates your initial point. The patents were up for sale. Someone was going to buy them and it makes total sense for Apple to snag these while they can. If anything, to stop other companies from slowing them down. Now they can control their move to 4G and not be under the thumb of someone else. Obviously, they will have to license the tech too, so it's revenue and less hassle.

A good way to spend some of their extra cash and a smart move.
 
Have you ever used a Samsung Galaxy S2? In case you do, don't be surprised when you sell your iPhone and switch to the Galaxy -- I did. Not only the hardware of the Galaxy is superior to Apple's hardware, the software is also better in every aspect - and unlike iOS, Android does NOT try to restrict the user whenever and wherever possible.

Only the dual core processor of the Galaxy S bests the Apple A4 in the iPhone 4. Otherwise, I would argue that the hardware is better in the iPhone 4. Keeping in mind that iOS runs just fine on the iPhone 4. Also stating that the software is better in every aspect is a matter of your opinion, and should not be stated as fact.
 
I find this rumour pretty unlikely to be honest. I don't think Microsoft would be willing to enter into a coalition that would give a significant collection of 4G patents to Apple... That would be... incredibly stupid of them.


MS will probably have full rights to them. That was probably part of the deal.
 
How come Samsung's product are a cheap crap? They use the same components as iPhone (well, Samsung produces most of them anyways) the biggest difference being the display. And we all know that SAMOLED is more expensive than LCD.

It is somewhat amusing to see people gloating about Apple getting their hands on Nortel's patents. I doubt those are really that good for two reasons:
* have you ever heard about Nortel before? Probably not. Then why do you think that their innovations were that good?
* if their innovations were that good, why did they go bankrupt?

Most likely, this patent sale is not going to change that much in a grand scheme of things.


Well, I do not personally own S2 but by all accounts (anecdotal and official reviews) Galaxy S2 is the fastest phone on the planet right now (and definitely much faster than iPhone 4). And while it has some quirks (just like every other phone), lag is not one of them.

First just because SAMOLED is more expensive than LCD does NOT make it better. What is the DPI on it? Last I knew the iPhone 4 still had the best display, am I wrong?

As for not knowing who NOTEL is, you must be 12 or very young. I'm not trying to be mean but Nortel used to be a very big company. They made a few big mistakes and thats all it took for them to go bellie up.
 
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