Exactly. Mac sales have doubled or tripled since 2012 when Retina MBPs were introduced.
Phil should change his last name to Shill.
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Apple Has Received More Online Orders for New MacBook Pro Than Any Previous Generation
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Phil should change his last name to Shill.
Schiller's organization is responsible for a lot more than marketing. I'll bet his org has more influence over product specs and pricing than the engineering teams do.
I've used a mid 2010 17" for some time and was eagerly waiting for the new machines. I can get and appreciate all the new features and can even understand that USB-C is the future. But a 16gb limit on a pro machine on this day and age...come on. I rather have more RAM, and thus better performance, than one more hour of battery life. Don't make excuses. Don't blame others, you guys are brilliant and should have come up with a solution.
However, what really, really bothers me, a lot, is the fact that they eliminated the MagSafe connector. I hope someone important at apple reads this. If you purchase a $3,000 machine you want a MagSafe connection. Before MagSafe my daughter tripped over the old cable several times and down went the laptop. It was a major selling point for many years and the reason many of us love apple. Those little things that don't cost anything but make all the difference... but yea, now if I want a (MagSafe like solution, because Apple does not make it any more) I have to pay extra, which brings me to my last point..
Come on guys, you buy a laptop for freedom and having a longer cable is definitely convenient. Think Starbucks... Now, how cheap do you have to be not to include the extension cord when it has been on the box on every laptop model of every price point since forever. Come on, we are paying upwards of $3,000 to $4,000 for a machine and you cannot include an extension cable that costs you less than $1.00. I find this simply insulting and that says a lot about the new direction at Apple. Any excuse about dongles gets defeated by this. You just want to make more money and cables and dongles have huge profit margins. Plain and simple. What do you think we are stupid...? Then stop treating us as if we are. Steve would never have done this...
However, what really, really bothers me, a lot, is the fact that they eliminated the MagSafe connector. I hope someone important at apple reads this. If you purchase a $3,000 machine you want a MagSafe connection. Before MagSafe my daughter tripped over the old cable several times and down went the laptop. It was a major selling point for many years and the reason many of us love apple. Those little things that don't cost anything but make all the difference... but yea, now if I want a (MagSafe like solution, because Apple does not make it any more) I have to pay extra, which brings me to my last point..
Come on guys, you buy a laptop for freedom and having a longer cable is definitely convenient. Think Starbucks... Now, how cheap do you have to be not to include the extension cord when it has been on the box on every laptop model of every price point since forever. Come on, we are paying upwards of $3,000 to $4,000 for a machine and you cannot include an extension cable that costs you less than $1.00. I find this simply insulting and that says a lot about the new direction at Apple. Any excuse about dongles gets defeated by this. You just want to make more money and cables and dongles have huge profit margins. Plain and simple. What do you think we are stupid...? Then stop treating us as if we are. Steve would never have done this...
Marketing that´s what it is, i dont believe Schiller on this, but their annual report will show in time 
Not through my eyes. I got 4.5 years of great use on a retina screen, resale value remains decent. I get the best laptop in the world in about 2 weeks. But to each their own.
That a bunch of people exist that don't need to do more than browse/email/type (although I wonder about the last part - the keyboard isn't really good I hear on the new MBPs) and order whatever Apple comes up leading to initial surge of sales is a quite well established pattern at this point.
One conclusion that can be drawn from this is Apple doesn't really want you to have Macs which they cannot control as well as iDevices (gotta pay Intel for CPUs, people can run any app without going through the app store, gotta keep pushing out those macOS "updates" - it all takes away time, money and control). Make the Macs unattractive and loyal Mac fanatics go screaming towards the iPad Pro - bigger margins, better control and the App Store, what's not to like!
One conclusion that can be drawn from this is Apple doesn't really want you to have Macs which they cannot control as well as iDevices (gotta pay Intel for CPUs, people can run any app without going through the app store, gotta keep pushing out those macOS "updates" - it all takes away time, money and control). Make the Macs unattractive and loyal Mac fanatics go screaming towards the iPad Pro - bigger margins, better control and the App Store, what's not to like!
Phil Schiller said the company has received more online orders for the new MacBook Pro so far than any previous-generation MacBook Pro.
SO FAR!
I would have thought Phil Schiller had better 'logic' skills than this silly statement shows. One week is not a comparative sales period. Hundreds of variables are at play with product introductions. Conclusions about sales cannot be made in such a short-term time frame with only one set of figures.
The Pro does not have a Pro keyboard. That will kill many sales to Journalists and Writers.
They may be fun to techies and gamers and maybe video buffs - particularly if dongles don't impede what you do.
Journo's will lose dongles on a regular basis as they flit from assignment to assignment. Sooner or later the techies in the news media organisations will go for something more professional. Crap keyboards and lost dongles cost time and efficiency and money. Tell that to Management.
SO FAR!
I would have thought Phil Schiller had better 'logic' skills than this silly statement shows. One week is not a comparative sales period. Hundreds of variables are at play with product introductions. Conclusions about sales cannot be made in such a short-term time frame with only one set of figures.
The Pro does not have a Pro keyboard. That will kill many sales to Journalists and Writers.
They may be fun to techies and gamers and maybe video buffs - particularly if dongles don't impede what you do.
Journo's will lose dongles on a regular basis as they flit from assignment to assignment. Sooner or later the techies in the news media organisations will go for something more professional. Crap keyboards and lost dongles cost time and efficiency and money. Tell that to Management.
Okay; I'll admit, most of the points you make, I can't argue that. Apple still, however, needs go cater to the demographic of power users. Gamers. Heavy users. Up the graphics chips. They need to cater to that demographic. Why can't they do that?
They need to redefine the Mac line. It's been a long held sentiment that Macs are the computer you don't want to buy for gaming. The Mac app ecosystem has always been sparse.
In a wide-ranging interview with The Independent, Apple marketing chief Phil Schiller said the company has received more online orders for the new MacBook Pro so far than any previous-generation MacBook Pro.
Schiller said the early criticism and debate about the new MacBook Pro has been "a bit of a surprise" to him, but said "that's cool" and common for new Apple products. He attributed the response to a "passionate" customer base.Schiller went on to say the new MacBook Pro is "the best notebook ever made," but admitted it "might not be right for everyone on day one."
Whereas some companies are blurring the lines between notebooks and tablets, Schiller said the basic L shape "makes perfect sense and won't go away."That response is part of Apple's belief that the Mac and iOS devices are "fundamentally two different products."Also interesting: Schiller noted the new MacBook Pro still has a 3.5mm headphone jack because it is a "pro machine," but lacks an SD card reader because it's a "cumbersome" slot best left to adapters or wireless transfers.
Full Article: Apple's Philip Schiller talks computers, touchscreens, and voice on the new MacBook Pro
Article Link: Apple Has Received More Online Orders for New MacBook Pro Than Any Previous Generation
Schillers explanation for the removal of the SD card slot sounds like another hidden money grab attempt. Especially for the rMBPs with 256GB. There are quite a few nice third party adapters, which neatly blend a (more or less) permanent sd storage extension into the macbooks overall design without those sharp edges. Now those people are also forced to pay the insane upgrade prices.
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But if these machines are so horrible does pent up demand even matter? As far as online vs in store we don't know what the split was in the past so perhaps in store sales will be down and overall sales won't be up. Or maybe not. We don't know. But again someone is ordering and I don't think they'd be doing so if they were as bad as the temper tantrums want us to think.
It is the best line up we have ever had™
We are very Excited™
Great Product in the pipeline™
Magic™
Apple has recieved more online order for "insert any Apple product here" than any previews generation™
It is Twice as fast as the previews generation™
This is our best "insert any Apple product here"™
We cannot wait to see what you / developers can do with it"™ (aka we don't know what to use it for please let us know).
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You can make the 2017 Keynote with those words...
We are very Excited, insert filler here, we have Great Product in the pipeline, and they are Magic,we are very Excited Apple has recieved more online order for "insert any Apple product here" than any previews generation™but today we announce the new insert any Apple product here" , It is twice as fast as the previews generation and this is our best "insert any Apple product here" ,We cannot wait to see what you / developers can do with it" we are very Excited.
And other 90 minutes of filler (aka how cool we are
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Ok, ignorant question here but... how much RAM do Pro users actually need, on a laptop? Given that this is a fast machine, with way fast SSDs, and the onboard RAM is decently fast, how much difference would it make (in terms of the work you want to do on a laptop) if these things could have 32gigs?
Also, on the MagSafe point. I'm torn on this, and don't have a settled view. But I've been using a 2015 MacBook for a while, and the 'trip' scenario has happened a couple of times. Both times tho, the USB-C has flown right out of the port. I don't know if this is a design feature, but on a cafe table, the rubber pads of the MacBook seem to give it some grip, and the USB-C is not in any way 'sticky'. And this with a fairly light machine. I think on the heavier MacBook Pro, 'tripping' over cables would not be especially worrisome
Also, on the MagSafe point. I'm torn on this, and don't have a settled view. But I've been using a 2015 MacBook for a while, and the 'trip' scenario has happened a couple of times. Both times tho, the USB-C has flown right out of the port. I don't know if this is a design feature, but on a cafe table, the rubber pads of the MacBook seem to give it some grip, and the USB-C is not in any way 'sticky'. And this with a fairly light machine. I think on the heavier MacBook Pro, 'tripping' over cables would not be especially worrisome
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"Apple Has Received More Online Orders for New MacBook Pro Than Any Previous Generation"
Conclusion: Macrumors readers are not representative of the demographic of Mac users.
Conclusion: Macrumors readers are not representative of the demographic of Mac users.
Has the surface done well? Its a weird, heavy machine, for what a lot of people want to use it for. Personally, I can't see the attraction. But I guess that's why markets exist.
why did the journalist at the "independent" didn't ask about this huge screw up and abandonment of the mac line and the every Apple customer's backlash ?
"Tim I see online every Mac User is complaining about the following: [huge list]"
"how do you answer to that ? Please let's analyze each item by itself"
media continues to kiss Timmy's butt every chance they get
Tim Cook is incompetent and arrogant, I don't believe anything he says
"Tim I see online every Mac User is complaining about the following: [huge list]"
"how do you answer to that ? Please let's analyze each item by itself"
media continues to kiss Timmy's butt every chance they get
Tim Cook is incompetent and arrogant, I don't believe anything he says
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The Apple I used to know would pressure Intel soo much that they will come with the chips they required to come up within the time.
Apple would pressure the suppliers and their technology so hard that they don't have any other choice but finish within time.
Very good point that you have acknowledged and I remember that Steve back in the day, changed a whole factory of their glass supplier for their Apple Store's because their tech was lacking and he wanted them to make the best of the best.
After these updates and lack of hardcore Appleism, I believe Apple is going soft on their suppliers and they are taking advantage of the situation.
They should be reminded hardly that Apple doesn't follow their rules, they have to follow Apple's rules. ( Good old Steve days)
Thanks for the point.
How can there be more Mac users than ever if their Mac products suck so badly?
Phil is a plant, a stooge, a used car salesman. He is a shill for J. Ive. BS he is suprised just like BS 32GB is too hot.
Remember how the (13") Aluminum MacBook became the 13" MacBook Pro? They put back in the Firewire port. Point being there is still hope the next iteration does something to reduce the dongle count.
Remember how the (13") Aluminum MacBook became the 13" MacBook Pro? They put back in the Firewire port. Point being there is still hope the next iteration does something to reduce the dongle count.
I'm sure anyone who could afford to spend $1,500 to $3,000 for a laptop could afford a $25 lighting to usbc cable
So Intel processors are delayed because Steve Jobs isn't around to pressure them? Thanks for my laugh for the day.The Apple I used to know would pressure Intel soo much that they will come with the chips they required to come up within the time.
Apple would pressure the suppliers and their technology so hard that they don't have any other choice but finish within time.
Very good point that you have acknowledged and I remember that Steve back in the day, changed a whole factory of their glass supplier for their Apple Store's because their tech was lacking and he wanted them to make the best of the best.
After these updates and lack of hardcore Appleism, I believe Apple is going soft on their suppliers and they are taking advantage of the situation.
They should be reminded hardly that Apple doesn't follow their rules, they have to follow Apple's rules. ( Good old Steve days)
Thanks for the point.