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I'm one of those , I pre ordered , does not mean I'm going to keep . Id say I'm 80% return, but I'm giving it a go in case my instincts are wrong and it turns out to be value for money.
 
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I doubt that Tim hates the mac. As a public company, or rather as one of the largest public companies out there, his job is to make the shareholders money, not to please every demographic out there. If the mac would sell more with a toaster attached to it, you can bet your mortgage that he would do just that. Most of the things Apple says its marketing lingo, and its perfectly fine, most users don't care what generation of processor is in the laptop as long as it is fast. Much like with the iPhone, only the tech savvy complain about the amount of RAM or whatnot.

On the other hands this is a Pro machine, but that means something entirely different to everybody (including Apple). Apart from bringing to market products that sell, Tim also has to protect margins which in turn maximised the value of dividends. Don't understand why people either think they are entitled to things or that Apple is some sort of charity or religion. The only reason they make their products is for $$$$, just like every other company out there.

On the Tim needs to go, well be careful what you wish for. Tim may not be the best CEO out there (by your opinion), but he certainly is not the worst.

I am sorry, "not the worst" ?

somebody who let the mac line outdated for years and keeps neutering every new mac product ?

ANYONE would have done better, we need a CHANGE at the top

I am no shaking if he lives, I CAN"T wait for it !
 
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Mostly that I don't really care about any of that, it's $500 more expensive than it used to be, it lacks Magsafe which has proven useful for clumsy household members, and that it doesn't do me any good to have TB3 ports when I don't have nor plan to have any TB3 devices within the next few years.

So to answer your question: None. None of those are inspiring. Which is what I said.

You are more than welcome to hold on to what you have, not upgrade to a new rMBP, or move over to a PC, where you still won't get Magsafe. Updated ports and the new generation of peripherals are going to be game changers - whether you want to acknowledge that or not. As was noted in the interview, not everyone is going to see the benefits, initially.
 
let me ask you, are you using wheels in your daily life? - why?

Completely wrong analogy. USB B and USB C are one in the same, with one being reversible, more capable, and going out on a limb here - the future standard. It can do literally everything the old can. So why on earth would anyone want the old type connector other than backwards compatibility? Enlighten me?
 
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You are more than welcome to hold on to what you have, not upgrade to a new rMBP, or move over to a PC, where you still won't get Magsafe. Updated ports and the new generation of peripherals are going to be game changers - whether you want to acknowledge that or not. As was noted in the interview, not everyone is going to see the benefits, initially.
I never said any different. Read the actual post he went off on. I was going to buy one of these, but bought a refurbished 2015 instead.

I said it was not for me, stated why, and what I planned to do instead. And then I did it. Slight negativity is not earth-shattering trolling here. I've been using Macs for decades.

"Then go buy a PC", on the other hand, is certainly a counter-productive non-argument.
 
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Phil, Phil..just no!
SD card cumbersome? :)
Lets face it, the ports are all the same for cost reasons.
The generation of the Processors are all the same for cost reasons.
Omission of the glowing mac and the cleaning cloth,,cost reasons.
So they think these decisions are going to change 4 years of bad Mac decisions?
Interesting....
 
Desktop hardware in a laptop enclosure. It's like the people who mod a wall-socket video game console into a "portable" with an attached screen.

Haha agree.
How I picture the complainer's designs looking:
the-homer-inline4.jpg


All talk, all complaining, no real good or remotely good ideas. "Hey! Let's put USB A and USB C on the same device!" Have heard that so many times on this forum and it makes me nauseous. That is a TERRIBLE idea. That would be the point where Steve Jobs tells you to get out (censoring that A LOT) and go work for IBM. If you think that the laptops should have USB A and C on the same machine, you really don't get Apple's ideology.
 
The hanging chad of that statement? "More online orders than ever before." Of course there are more online orders, genius: that's the only way you CAN order them right now. The GD things weren't even available in stores so you had to pre-order them. Can't wait until the next quarterly earnings call and the truth comes out so Phil the shill can suck back down every stupid PR-speak statement he's made since these things were announced. I used to think Apple management was just ignorantly out of touch with the real world, but with his creative choice of words Phil just made it strikingly clear to me that they are completely aware of just how off the rails they've gone, and are absolutely proud of it.
 
I've no problem with high prices for a best-in-industry laptop.

This thing just isn't. It's not even best-in-class for 13inch ultrabooks, nevermind the current generation of ultra-thin desktop replacements. Add on that Apple is on a 2 year+ upgrade cycle, and it's just potty.
Exactly ! These are great quality as always but just middling performance.
And more money and more dongles!
 
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Apple is obviously doomed and nobody is going to buy the new MBP's.

All the people who have been waiting for the update for the past couple of years are all now ordering their new MBP. Apple could have probably estimated how many they would sell to that group.

Where Apple will struggle is the man off the street walking into one of their shops, seeing a laptop similar to many others and then seeing the price.

Apple don't even have a low end model anymore so I'm not even sure who there stores, in shopping malls, next to Nandos and the Disney Store, are targeting anymore.
 
Question to all:

PROfessional ... includes PROfessional facebookers, right ?


Well I don't use facebook or any other social network site like facebook, just classic forums like macrumors and IRC, and twitter for news like rss feed style. But I can imagine that "Professional Facebookers" really exist, and that many of them earn more money than a lot of classic professionals like Software Developers, 3d Modellers or Architects, etc.. So better not make fun of them heheh. :)

Speaking for myself as Software Developer, the new MacBook Pro 15" will suit my needs very well, and help me to earn money. Win, Win!
 
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How can you interview him and not ask him about 1) the pricing 2) the need for a dongle to connect your iphone 3) desktops?
You don't need a dongle to connect your iPhone to your new MBP, you only need a new cable: a USB-C to Lightning cable.
 
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Mostly that I don't really care about any of that, it's $500 more expensive than it used to be, it lacks Magsafe which has proven useful for clumsy household members, and that it doesn't do me any good to have TB3 ports when I don't have nor plan to have any TB3 devices within the next few years. The speed benchmarks have it, what, very slightly faster than the outgoing models? Not exactly a big win for that faster SSD, then.

So to answer your question: None. None of those are inspiring. Which is what I said.

At least with TB3 you can plug in an external GPU and have a decent setup. Well you could with TB1, but I believe TB3 has it in the spec and intel is officially allowing it.
 
And it's our job to help people through these changes. We know we made good decisions about what to build into the new MacBook Pro and that the result is the best notebook ever made...

This, right here, from Apple's marketing guy, says everything you need to know about Apple today. It's not about "our customers are right and we need to deliver the kind of products that they need and use." This basically says "we know what's good for you so just **** and deal with it."

More and more I keep reading about Pro's, some of which have been lifelong Apple customers, who dump Apple and either go back to Windows or really do try something "different," such as Linux. I ordered this new MBP but, depending on Apple's direction, this may be my last Mac and I may go back to building my own computers.
 
Completely wrong analogy. USB B and USB C are one in the same, with one being reversible, more capable, and going out on a limb here - the future standard. It can do literally everything the old can. So why on earth would anyone want the old type connector other than backwards compatibility? Enlighten me?

let me think, because i have like 20 devices here that work perfectly with the old connector and won't work better at all with the new connector. got only 1 device that works with the new connector. the macbook that offers the new port is zero better (rather worse) than my old machine, overpriced, and it will drop once i hit the cable? ;-) why would i want to invest so much money in something that in fact isn't better for my personal needs?

if it really was so much better, we wouldn't discuss. ;-) basically i have the choice between a zero investment, everything works, and a 4999 investment and many problems, a keyboard that sucks (my personal opinion). why on earth would i want that? hell, no ...

lets put the thing into perspective: assuming that book will be used in 2020, yes USB-C might be the preferred choice. but by that time, i will not want to be working with such a limited hardware like the current macbook pro 2016 is offering.
 
That's what happens when you don't friggin update them for ages and there's pent up demand. Duh...

To a starving dog, even rotting garbage looks good.


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We care about what they love and what they are worried about. And it's our job to help people through these changes. We know we made good decisions about what to build into the new MacBook Pro and that the result is the best notebook ever made, but it might not be right for everyone on day one. That’s okay, some people felt that way about the first iMac and that turned out pretty good.

I summed up this Schiller quote as "they will learn to love it", but I heard it in Darth Vader's voice.
 
I personally am thrilled about the new line.
As an owner of the new 13" Pro, I really don't understand people's problem with it.

- Benchmarks great, much faster
- Better storage
- Better ram
- Sleek with the great universal USB C ports
- Better screen
- Better battery
- Definitely better design


It is my favorite laptop I have ever owned. Purchased a USB C lightning cable, some USB C sony flash drives, and a few other odds and ends, and my suite is done. I really want these people complaining to draft up the laptop they envision in CAD and show us exactly what they want, because I think they did a really outstanding job.

My only qualm is that I think they should have released a 15" without the touchbar. That is probably the only thing that irks me.
I guess it depends what you had before and what you use it for.
If Apple didn't make such great products in the past, people wouldn't be howling so.
I just bought a 2012 15" MBP that kicks the new ones in the pants and I don't need dongles when I take it places.
And I got the cleaning cloth, the glowing apple and the DVD/ cd player burner built in..
$850 plus $210 for a 960 gig SSD...about $3500 for a new one...no thanks
 
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