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People hating on the AVP without even getting a chance to use it is hilarious. Pure speculative hate because what? You can’t afford the device? Despite the fact no one bought the Mac Pro in 2019 when the price and $400 wheels were announced? The truth is people hate change. Steve knew that. Tim knows that. And I know it. Try it first before you write it off. You might just surprise yourself
 
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People hating on the AVP without even getting a chance to use it is hilarious. Pure speculative hate because what? You can’t afford the device? Despite the fact no one bought the Mac Pro in 2019 when the price and $400 wheels were announced? The truth is people hate change. Steve knew that. Tim knows that. And I know it. Try it first before you write it off. You might just surprise yourself
There will be retrospectives in 5-10 years about how it changed the industry. It may have niche use now, but that niche will keep getting bigger over the years until it hits mainstream.
 
You’d think they’d at least try and come up with something original with at least a vague attempt at being clever
Not possible. It's just plain savage hate. Can you imagine what the threads will be like after release? Instant degradation into compete uselessness. Soon the owners will just stop posting. Too much hate to deal with. They think they are clever with their tiny ineffective witticisms, but they're just sad little people trying to find some usefulness in their lives. Remember, some day the haters will get their just deserts. Can't wait.
 
Sales will drop off. These are mostly innovators/early adopters buying. Impressive nonetheless, but I don't think it can be sustained.

I think a similar thing happened with Apple Watch. Strong initial sales, then they declined. Eventually it became a strong product with lots of sales every year.
It still has other markets to hit, but yeah there will likely be a stall before it starts taking off again.
 
Original HomePod sold about 3 million units, but was a flop. It's about whether sales can be sustained.

The first batch of a new product always goes to Apple fans. But Apple needs a wider audience for the Vision Pro and socially accepted.
The original HomePod sold about 40 million units before it was discontinued and completely out of stock I think looking at stats on statista between 2018 and 2022. I’m not sure if that is accurate or not, but I know they were selling in the millions per quarter at one point. 1-3 million at launch. Mini and 2nd gen not included.
 
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Not possible. It's just plain savage hate. Can you imagine what the threads will be like after release? Instant degradation into compete uselessness. Soon the owners will just stop posting. Too much hate to deal with. They think they are clever with their tiny ineffective witticisms, but they're just sad little people trying to find some usefulness in their lives. Remember, some day the haters will get their just deserts. Can't wait.

It's an overhyped VR helmet. It doesn't cure cancer, end genocide, save kids from abuse, or put an end to Taylor Swift-oversaturation. It's an accessory - it can't even behave like a computer unless you use remote desktop to an actual computer.
 
It's an overhyped VR helmet. It doesn't cure cancer, end genocide, save kids from abuse, or put an end to Taylor Swift-oversaturation. It's an accessory - it can't even behave like a computer unless you use remote desktop to an actual computer.
It's not a helmet. If I get struck by something it's not going to protect me. It might make it worse.
 
To put the price in perspective: In 1984 I bought an original 128K Mac for $2495. That's $7,300 in 2024 dollars. And, IIRC, I had two apps: Write & Paint, although I think Excel and Word were available pretty quickly.
 
Sounds like apps are going to be fairly limited. It will be interesting to see what issues Vision Pro might have and the criticisms YouTubers will have.

I see a ton of indie devs showing off their work that'll be available launch day/week. I see the full Microsoft Office suite, keynote (and presumably pages / numbers), 100k+ iPad apps, Zoom, streaming services, etc. I even see an app that will let you place individual Mac apps from your Mac into your space and use them with gaze/pinch. Seems quite rich to start.

I also see people reading the same "NO NETFLIX YOUTUBE OR SPOTIFY" doom and gloom article over and over again and drumming it up to more than it is.
 
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It's an overhyped VR helmet. It doesn't cure cancer, end genocide, save kids from abuse, or put an end to Taylor Swift-oversaturation. It's an accessory - it can't even behave like a computer unless you use remote desktop to an actual computer.

This is the worst take I've seen in the ~8 months we've known about AVP. It's a computer. It's got a fully-realized operating system with a full SDK and rich dev resources, mail, messages, a fully featured Safari browser, a rich App Store, apps to do work on day one (full MS office suite, Zoom, keynote, etc), rich multitasking with nearly unlimited apps/instances, connectivity for keyboard/trackpad for more text heavy or otherwise involved workflows.

What are you smoking, precisely?
 
It's an overhyped VR helmet. It doesn't cure cancer, end genocide, save kids from abuse, or put an end to Taylor Swift-oversaturation. It's an accessory - it can't even behave like a computer unless you use remote desktop to an actual computer.
I really hope Vision Pro lives up to the high expectations that a few here have for it.
 
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I’m still unsure if it’s gonna be a success or not. I’m sure there will be some great apps for relaxation, medical, entertainment etc but not much freedom. I feel like with AVP every enjoyment must go through an in-app purchase or a subscription.
 
Remember guys we want them to sell well but not too well. If they don't sell at all, Apple will dump the product line but if they sell good numbers but not in millions, we will get a price corrected model in 2026.
 
Those sales figures don't mean much. I'm one of the 20 million, because I was tired of waiting for Apple, but I returned it due to the awful experience and I'd bet I have a lot of company.
The question will be if the Apple experience (both in its software, App Store, and superior specs) allow AVP to do what the Mac, iPod, and iPhone have done in their respective categories. I think its expensive because Apple felt the need to have the performance of the unit to a point where it could be provide a "natural" feeling augmented reality experience.

We will soon see..
 
It's a computer.

It's a computer limited to the software in the App Store. If the behavior of the AVP apps there are insufficient, you're stuck removing the helmet to use a different device. Alternatively, you can remote desktop to a computer without onerous restrictions.
 
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I have some serious doubts that a majority of 200,000 units were bought by youtubers to review and return

100%, people see things and blow them way, way out of proportion. There are probably less than 1,000 YouTubers that fall into that category.

I think there are quite a few people who are well aware of the return policy and intend on trying it out with that in mind, but I think Apple knows this and I think (pending all-around decent marks and no showstoppers tomorrow with the embargo lifting) that this thing is going to exceed most people's expectations by a large amount overall.
 
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It's a computer limited to the software in the App Store. If the behavior of the AVP apps there are insufficient, you're stuck removing the helmet to use a different device. Alternatively, you can remote desktop to a computer without onerous restrictions.

There are millions out there using an iPad or iPhone as their primary "computer". And there are millions more out there who use a Mac or PC without ever going outside the bounds of what would be available in a walled garden type environment. The majority of the world isn't digging into system/library/application support to tweak a plist value or run a big piracy setup. If you really, really will shrivel into nothing without being able to run an emulator or some crap, just like iPad / iPhone just get a developer account and inject your own .ipas into AVP.

There are plenty of workflows that exist entirely within the bounds of the software available in the App Store. If Apple can sell an iPad, it can sell this.
 
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