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I am fine with companies making profit. I am not fine with the profit coming from illegal behaviours. If random forum participants could understand Apple was violating the law I am sure apple with their army of lawyers knew it too. They just tried their luck, and failed. Good for the EU to stand their ground and reject Apple’s arrogant behaviour.
violating the law?

the store has operated like it has for a decade as it has.

what law?

this is like cancel culture... what used to be acceptable suddenly isnt.
if buyers of iOS devices werent happy with it the way it is they wouldnt be buying iOS devices in record numbers, switching to iOS or buying billions of dollars in apps that pay devs billions.

this is the EU pulling a stunt.
 
Have to disagree with you there. I know two developers who do just enough business to not qualify for 15%, and they’re run very tight on margins. Less than 5% which could be a solid 20% if they could control the fees and think even credit card fees cost ~3% so if they could pay a core technology fee of 15% and 3%, they would be much more likely a going concern. Whereas now they’re nearly cooked if one thing goes wrong.
lucky those devs arent selling their app through a retail store as their 3% margin wouldnt cover the cost with only 10% return on retail purchase price.

for their 15% cut to Apple they get a store to handle transactions, refunds, marketing, advertising, a trusted environment consumers happily buy from because they know apps are vetted, app review, tools... 15% sounds like a bargain. And many app devs say that.
 
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violating the law?

the store has operated like it has for a decade as it has.

what law?

this is like cancel culture... what used to be acceptable suddenly isnt.
if buyers of iOS devices werent happy with it the way it is they wouldnt be buying iOS devices in record numbers, switching to iOS or buying billions of dollars in apps that pay devs billions.

this is the EU pulling a stunt.

Laws change, are added and removed. Business and people have to change with said laws.

What has happened for a decade or more is of no relevance.

What law?

 
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the store has operated like it has for a decade as it has.
what law?
this is like cancel culture... what used to be acceptable suddenly isnt.
The first automobiles weren’t subject to the same traffic laws we have today.
Traffic laws evolved as traffic, number of vehicles and market penetration increased.

lucky those devs arent selling their app through a retail store as their 3% margin wouldnt cover the cost with only 10% return on retail purchase price.
Mobile phone applications were hardly ever sold in retail stores.
The argument is perplexing - we aren’t living ten years or twenty ago.
Your (repeated) arguments about physical stores suggest you mentally seem to, on the other hand?

15% sounds like a bargain. And many app devs say that.
Except…. It’s not 15% for the biggest, most popular apps/services. Many of which Apple competes with (Music streaming, video streaming, gaming, cloud storage).

Also: why would any developer chose a different payment/transaction provider than Apple?
If it’s such a bargain, everyone would stay or flock to Apple’s App Store anyway - and Apple wouldn’t have to spend millions on lawyers and risk paying billions in potential fines.

Just let everyone distribute on their website and be done with it.
 
Laws change, are added and removed. Business and people have to change with said laws.

What has happened for a decade or more is of no relevance.
it highlights the EU wasn't concerned enough to take action for that decade.

why the sudden change? SPOTIFY... ;)
 
violating the law?

the store has operated like it has for a decade as it has.

what law?

this is like cancel culture... what used to be acceptable suddenly isnt.
if buyers of iOS devices werent happy with it the way it is they wouldnt be buying iOS devices in record numbers, switching to iOS or buying billions of dollars in apps that pay devs billions.

this is the EU pulling a stunt.
Yes, laws and regulations do sometimes change. This is a phenomenon as old as law itself.
 
it highlights the EU wasn't concerned enough to take action for that decade.

why the sudden change? SPOTIFY... ;)

EU waited for the gatekeepers and the market to correct themselves.

It's similar to the U.S. DOJ antitrust lawsuit against Apple.
 
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it highlights the EU wasn't concerned enough to take action for that decade.

why the sudden change? SPOTIFY... ;)
And if the EU had acted 10-15 years ago you’d probably have been saying “why doesn’t the EU take a hands-off approach and see how things mature in this market that’s still establishing itself before enacting heavy-handed regulations?” There’s no scenario where you would’ve been ok with any of this regulation.
 
Apple should pull out of Europe and the laws would quickly change as they grovel to have apple back.
 
It's this attitude, that Government should decide not only for companies, but for consumers, what practices are good or not. As it stands now, Apple only has a 23% marketshare. And there has been no proof that Apple is harming the market in any way. Indeed, if you want more competition, you'd let Apple work to eat away at Google who has an overwhelming marketshare.

The idea that you are going to decide what a business in a healthy market should or shouldn't do is silly. And why I find all of you arm-chair CEO's to be ridiculous.
Again. There are 2 billion active iOS devices in the world. For the third time, that's a device market as large as all Windows 10 + 11 PCs; with Apple in complete control of the app marketplace (prior to regulation against that). Stop hiding behind percentages to pretend we're discussing something small, when we're not.

Android is a completely different digital marketplace (with its own problems mind you, see the Epic loss, but this thread is about Apple). Yes, Apple has a 20 something percent device market share; of the physical hardware market, not the digital marketplace that we are actually talking about... The App Store and the Play Store aren't competitors with each other in a traditional market sense. They each serve software to billions of devices, and there's no crossover between the billions of devices they serve.

A traditional marketplace is somewhere you can wander around and buy from a variety of different vendors. I can't take my iPhone and buy one app from the App Store, another from the Play Store, and maybe a third from the Galaxy Store. The reason I can't do that because the software marketplaces are separate entities. Can you switch phones to access the Play Store? Yes, but painfully once you're embedded in Apple's ecosystem, but they are still separate and distinct marketplaces. I can physically travel between real world marketplaces too, but that still doesn't make them one marketplace.

All that the EU is doing is enabling consumer choice in the digital markets. If you want to get all your apps from the App Store, you can, and you should be able to. At the same time if you want to get apps from a different store, you should be able to too. That's all. If I'm playing armchair ceo, I'm playing a bad one, as I'm not deflecting or arguing that Apple should be entitled to a cut of revenue from app stores they don't operate...

I've said in other threads that I fully expect the App Store to maintain 90% marketshare on iOS, even with third party stores. Which makes all this malicious compliance stuff even more petty. The App Store is the long established way to get apps on the iPhone, it's trusted, it's good and it's the default. That seems very unlikely to change.

What enforcing the consumers right to choose will help with the most is keeping Apple honest with their App Store pricing and policies. There's plenty of evidence of past harmful practices if you actually look for it. We've already seen improvements on this front, with Apple opening up to game streaming and game emulators worldwide, simply because the Alt Store was ready and able to launch in the EU. Protecting a consumer's right to choose is essential for maintaining a healthy and competitive market economy. As a consumer: if that requires fining Apple until they get with the program, I'm here for it. As a shareholder: I hope they get with the program sooner than later.
 
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Tariffs are one thing but this is far worse. The EU is dictating how Apple's entire ecosystem must work in order to service the EU market.

Even China (who is horrible btw) doesn't do this.
 
On a somewhat unrelated note, why is this in the main forum while another seemingly similar thread is in the political section?


Otherwise, I don’t have anything to add here that I haven’t replied to death in the other discussion.
 
lucky those devs arent selling their app through a retail store as their 3% margin wouldnt cover the cost with only 10% return on retail purchase price.

for their 15% cut to Apple they get a store to handle transactions, refunds, marketing, advertising, a trusted environment consumers happily buy from because they know apps are vetted, app review, tools... 15% sounds like a bargain. And many app devs say that.
Many people have different experiences. In general, AAPL cares about its shareholders and executives and nobody else. In a long-term strategic position, a company should desire all stakeholders win! Currently, AAPL cares least about sending jobs to a communist superpower, second least about employees, third least about developers, and somewhere in the mix are customers/etc.

Steve for sure cared about customers most!
 
What about protecting domestic manufacturers against heavily subsidised vehicles flooding the market do you disagree with exactly?
except what domestic ev market are they talking about, the $300k mercedes ev? China only contributes to the developement of their EV tech, why would they help pay for your car? BYD has already said they are not interested in selling to the U.S either, their subsidised pricing is for domestic pricing.
 
Is this the same EU that just proposed a “chat control” law that mandates a back door in everyone’s encrypted chats? Lol. The European Commission, with their unelected bureaucrats, are out of control.
No, but it is a proposal presented by their member state. And I’m confident it will fail the vote this time again as it did last time.

And it would be shot down for breaking EU fundamental rights about personal privacy.
 
violating the law?

the store has operated like it has for a decade as it has.

what law?

this is like cancel culture... what used to be acceptable suddenly isnt.
if buyers of iOS devices werent happy with it the way it is they wouldnt be buying iOS devices in record numbers, switching to iOS or buying billions of dollars in apps that pay devs billions.

this is the EU pulling a stunt.
Slavery use to be legal too. 'nuff said.
 
Is it that bad to expect some gratitude from EU for everything US has done for them. At least enough to not steel proprietary American technologies?
As if US never stole EU technologies from them either, and maybe US should show gratitude for that?
Either way, if you really want to drill deep into this rabbit hole, iPhone should not be released past US, nor should Apple hire anyone that’s not born US citizen to work within. Immigration should be stopped permanently across all countries. Internet should be shutdown, all for the sake of “not let technologies developed by us be stolen“.
 
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