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As market leader in the cloud virtualisation sector (VMware held almost 45% of the virtualisation market in 2023) and the only viable option in some specific cloud sector applications which must be certified by software or service providers. Broadcom should be regarded as a Gatekeeper under the terms of the DMA and its actions should be seen as those of a dominant player as it forces ‘take it or leave it’ terms on customers. CISPE calls on regulators to swiftly examine Broadcom’s actions and call it to account.

Maybe the DMA should do something useful to the world. If you don’t understand what Broadcom has done to technology companies globally I’ll gladly have a discussion about it.
 
Glad to hear it. Apple obviously employed a lot of malicious compliance and doing things that didn’t really follow the law, like implementing alternative app stores instead of sideloading
 
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Is this the same EU that just proposed a “chat control” law that mandates a back door in everyone’s encrypted chats? Lol. The European Commission, with their unelected bureaucrats, are out of control.
Not Only pruposed. I think its in effect already?
 
There were rumours in the Financial Times, etc., about a 48% rate, but it seems they ended up being up to 38.1%[1] for some, such as SAIC. I suppose you won't like the new US EV tariffs then. :oops:

[1] https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_3231
[2] https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...usinesses-from-chinas-unfair-trade-practices/
Isn't that bad enough? pretty sad that they are getting on everyone. EV cars etc. are costly in Japan (Imports) and domestic are priced in a line of Japanese buy trends. Tax deducts her for EV and similar ECO friend vehicles. Buy one I love too. but not now? Not yet
 
The EU seems to think Apple should provide them everything for free
Wrong. Apple are free to charge for iPhones or sales on their App Store as they please.
No one expects anything different.
Apple would be better off to install Android on the iPhones it sells in the EU, and that can be free!
Surefire way to tank their business. Because iOS is a main differentiator (and before we go down that route again: Not because you couldn’t sideload).
 
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Let’s not.


As market leader in the cloud virtualisation sector (VMware held almost 45% of the virtualisation market in 2023) and the only viable option in some specific cloud sector applications which must be certified by software or service providers. Broadcom should be regarded as a Gatekeeper under the terms of the DMA and its actions should be seen as those of a dominant player as it forces ‘take it or leave it’ terms on customers. CISPE calls on regulators to swiftly examine Broadcom’s actions and call it to account.

Maybe the DMA should do something useful to the world. If you don’t understand what Broadcom has done to technology companies globally I’ll gladly have a discussion about it.
Perhaps you should read the DMA. Here is a summary. It can as we’ll be a question of an antitrust case. EU isn’t all knowing unless someone files a complaint to other investigations.

And Here is the important bit:

3. Where an undertaking providing core platform services meets all of the thresholds in paragraph 2, it shall notify the Commission thereof without delay and in any event within 2 months after those thresholds are met and provide it with the relevant information identified in paragraph 2…

…Where the undertaking providing the core platform service fails to notify the Commission pursuant to the first subparagraph of this paragraph and fails to provide within the deadline set by the Commission in the request for information pursuant to Article 21 all the relevant information that is required for the Commission to designate the undertaking concerned as gatekeeper pursuant to paragraph 4 of this Article, the Commission shall still be entitled to designate that undertaking as a gatekeeper, based on information available to the Commission.

1. The Commission may, upon request or on its own initiative, reconsider, amend or repeal at any moment a designation decision adopted pursuant to Article 3 the following:
(a)there has been a substantial change in any of the facts on which the designation decision was based;
(b)the designation decision was based on incomplete, incorrect or misleading information.
…The Commission shall also examine at least every year whether new undertakings providing core platform services satisfy those requirements…

CHAPTER II

GATEKEEPERS
Article 3
Designation of gatekeepers
1. An undertaking shall be designated as a gatekeeper if:
(a)it has a significant and strong economic position and significant impact on the internal market;
(b)it provide a core platform service, which is an important gateway for business users to reach customers; and
(c)it enjoys an entrenched and durable position, in its operations, or it is foreseeable that it will enjoy such a position in the near future.
2. An undertaking shall be presumed to satisfy the respective requirements in paragraph 1:
(a)as regards paragraph 1, point (a), where it achieves an annual Union turnover of a minimum of €7.5 billion in the European Union (EU) in the previous 3 years, or a market valuation of at least €75 billion and control one or more core platform servicesin at least three EU Member States
(b)as regards paragraph 1, point (b), where it provides a core platform service that in the last financial year has at least have at least 45 million monthly end users and at least 10,000 business users established in the EU
(c)as regards paragraph 1, point (c), where the thresholds in point (b) of this paragraph were met in each of the last three financial years.

Core platform service’ means any of the following:​

  • (a) online intermediation services
  • (b) online search engines
  • (c) online social networking services;
  • (d) video-sharing platform services
  • (e) number-independent interpersonal communications services;
  • (f) operating systems;
  • (g) web browsers;
  • (h) virtual assistants;
  • (i) cloud computing services;
  • (j) online advertising services, including any advertising networks, advertising exchanges and any other advertising intermediation services, provided by an undertaking that provides any of the core platform services listed in points (a) to (i);
 
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Not Only pruposed. I think its in effect already?
Nope it isn’t. It was struck down in 2022, and a ruling by the European court of human rights have made the revised version legally dead on arrival.

Edit: I hope you people that thought the can of worms that Apple opened up with their ridiculous goal to have CSAM scanned on device wasn’t relevant or dangerous
 
if you want more competition, you'd let Apple work to eat away at Google who has an overwhelming marketshare.
You’d also let iOS app developers work to eat away at it - by letting them enjoy competitive terms distribution.

Apple isn’t going to challenge Android’s market share by going it alone, without or against its third-party developers.
 
Gonna keep saying. Apple had the chance to get out ahead of all of this and self regulate when writing was very clearly on the wall. They have no one but themselves to blame for the predicament they find themselves in.
And what exactly would you have had Apple do?

Explicit details please...
 
Wrong. Apple are free to charge for iPhones or sales on their App Store as they please.
No one expects anything different.

Surefire way to tank their business. Because iOS is a main differentiator (and before we go down that route again: Not because you couldn’t sideload).
Surefire way Apple could avoid EU fines.

Let's see how many iOS users would install Android given the choice.
It would be low I'd guess.

But the consumer choice would be there and people who are demanding open, install anything get their wish.

Why would it be a problem?
 
Glad to hear it. Apple obviously employed a lot of malicious compliance and doing things that didn’t really follow the law, like implementing alternative app stores instead of sideloading
an alt app store isnt malicious compliance.

EU even lets Apple vet apps. To ensure system integrity and security.

sideloading would have allowed any code on there. without any check and balances.
 
Seriously? I’m no expert but Apple has made massive changes yet the tone of this makes it sound like they are at off. Feels a bit theatrical to me.
 
And what exactly would you have had Apple do?
They could have introduced an open-access model to macOS. A model that, considering ita similarity to Microsoft Windows, has stood for decades without objections from legislators or regulators.

Surefire way Apple could avoid EU fines.

Let's see how many iOS users would install Android given the choice.
It would be low I'd guess.
I’m not following.
How would that be a surefire of avoiding EU fines? 🤔

This doesn‘t reduce their risk of being fined at all!?
 
Apple makes money from people and developers that’s it. Microsoft AWS Alphabet etc make money from corps. I mean you can pretty much get Windows for free and Microsoft doesn’t care they get money from SQL, Windows Server, Azure etc. Apple has none of that. If Apple doesn’t get money from developers they have the option to get money from end users and that’s not gonna cut it to continue being a leading smartphone.

That is not true. Developers pay Apple and pay Microsoft, AWS or whatever for the backend and hosting their digital services. The App itself is, let's say a shell over a myriad of technological materials in play to make an App, not just Apple materials. Rebranding developers as corps does not make this less true.

The difference is that Apple requires developers / businesses to hand over whatever they produce (not just the shell they created) to them along with the cash register (property transfer). The others suppliers of the necessary materials do not. This is ok at a small scale but at a very large scale, sieging billions of people its akin to a mass property transfer. It does stifle competition and reduce value of ones property in the long run towards those that nurture these practices.

If this property transfer scheme is allowed by law at such massive scale, it will spread. It will spread to Windows, macOS, whatever. Computing devices are everywhere, more are coming with even more immersive and reality bending capabilities. VR glasses ... heck brain chips! The human body will be immersed in the digital sea. People will not be able to differentiate between what is digital and what it is not. Today, that is already happening. Take for instance the concept of books. They used to take a physical form, now they do not. Did it stopped being a book? No. But Apple charges for book sales in digital form, well because its digital. Take for instance, dating arrangements, is it digital or not? Apple charges for dating arrangements. They left our "potatoes" alone, but there is nothing to say that in the future they might argue that there is value in experience in selling potatoes in the the iPhone ... heck look at how many people use the iPhone and the likes ... right?

The requirement of having to transfer to Apple your properties and the cash machine, while you keep all other costs, in exchange of a bunch of APIs, because otherwise the company would not be able to make great money, is based on a huge fallacy. Anyway, this would not be a problem if not combined with siege made of smartphones that everyone is using around the Internet ... hence any and all businesses.

Apple proposal does not guarantee that is not the case. In fact, is full of traps to steer the business population and users away from not transferring their property and cash register to Apple. Look at the rules for what they call Web Publishing (commonly know as self publishing, fundamentally a way to self publish an app) ... you need first have been in the App Store and have at least a million downloads in the previous year ... you need to first hand over you property and cash register. Then you have the CTF on top. It's easy to verify that Apps in the App Store pay no CTF. Heck Apps like Facebook, Twitter and many others actually pay 0 for the materials and more. If these giants would be penalized if they move out under this proposal. You can imagine the minions. This is clearly steering as well intentioned it might be.

The way I see it. To have a non steering environment. Simply put, the cost of using Apple materials to build a software application should be the same whether offered through the Apple App Store or through any other channel. Also there should be no barriers to other channels of App distribution, as clearly is the case of Web Distribution (Agency free, self publishing). Otherwise it will not be in compliance with DMA anti-steering measures.

Apple it self knows what anti-steering means when dealing with devs in the App Store. They require the listed price of an App or Digital Service in the App Store to be not more then the listed price the developer may practice through other channels, such has its own website . ... in case of Multiplatform digital services. This is a self serving is anti-steering measure made by Apple. Otherwise devs may try to steer users to buy on their sites where distribution costs maybe lower by offering more advantageous prices. People would of course prefer to buy on those, especially because today most reach the App on the App Store, not by searching the App Store but through searching the Web. If developers are found giving better prices in their website, they get a cease or desist letter as it's in breach of contract. If found several times ... the App or digital service is probably banned ... your property, your iPhone, will no longer have an App to access your supplier / dev service. This is common practice, say Amazon does this too, yet without using your smartphone for that matter. So reason would say that Apple also knows what are steering measures. At least these pricing conditions used to be until 2020 ... don't know if it is still there, because policies are ever changing.

People have various ideologies that iOS shouldn't be the way it is, but its market success is proof that their value proposition isn't just self serving but that is has genuine value to its users.

Yes, indeed the iPhone, sold to the population is a massive market success. Its great. But that is one hand of the equation. There is another equation on the other hand that is focused on property transfer.

What is at play is the future of commerce and an attempt by Gatekeepers to reconfigure the notion of property ownership for all things using computing devices. Apple is not alone. This scheme take many forms. Google has theirs, Amazon has theirs, so does Microsoft. Apple case is just more evident and exposed by the media.
 
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People have various ideologies that iOS shouldn't be the way it is, but its market success is proof that their value proposition isn't just self serving but that is has genuine value to its users.
Oh no. People were addicted to the iPhone cause it was super easy to use had a good quality (never had superior call quality) and it was a brand "Apple". Steve was the one responsible for the iPhones success, simplicity was the key.
An iPhone never implemented 100% of the functionality. Instead it offered kind of a reduced feature set but those features worked in perfection.

Tim is killing the DNA of Apple. Steve once entered the stage and told the crowd "We simply call it the iPhone". He did this, cause he wanted the customers to enter the Apple store and to buy an iPhone and get "the best".

At the moment Tim introduces AI to help customers choose the right version of a Mac and the iPhone will be next. Tim adds buttons and features, more features and more features since he wants more features every year so he could continue selling iPhones.

But Tim is killing the DNA of Apple. Furthermore Apple under Tim creates Emojis instead of new stunning products, it misses cloud services, IoT, AI and under Tim Apple no longer "just works".

We all are going to experience where this will lead Apple to.
 
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