The law is reasonable, unless you consider having any law at all unreasonable. Apple will still make a healthy profit in the EU and have no reason to leave.
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Apple Has 'Very Serious' DMA Issues, EU to Enforce Rules 'Soon'
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The law is reasonable, unless you consider having any law at all unreasonable. Apple will still make a healthy profit in the EU and have no reason to leave.
One bonus of this is Apple Intelligence is apparently not coming to the EU and hopefully the UK anytime soon.
Doing something illegal, even when you don’t realize it (this is your manufactured assumption about Apple anyway), is still illegal. And saying Apple didn’t break the law when they were ruled to have, is still doublespeak. Even under the strange guise that they unintentionally broke the law, they still did not follow it.
My original statement was “apple operates…”. Note the tense “operates”. You brought up a 12 year old case as a counterpoint. I wasn’t discussing the past.
So if it’s found that they're violating the DMA with these measures that they put in place to purportedly comply with it, you’ll change your position to one that acknowledges that they are in fact breaking the law?
There isn't anything inherently lawful about Apple. They typically follow the law because that's the most profitable course of action, but submitting on app stores is not. They absolutely know they are violating the spirit of the law and probably believe they are skating a little outside of the written law too. They are driven by profit and it's a very big deal for them to ensure third party app stores will be giving Apple a cut of their sales. With that as their motivator, they are more than willing to try to push the boundaries on what they can get away with/fines they can afford to pay in order to keep that revenue stream flowing.
I would have more respect for Apple if they would just say some version of that.
Just profits. Market share is not necessarily the core metric to observe here.
the level of glee is the weird part. seems some people are very jealous of Apple's success and will support anything to see them pulled down a peg or two.
for them seeing a prelim finding is more than enough to constantly stoke the Apple are Evil fires.
That “60% or greater market share” doesn’t sound too good when you realize that it represents multiple companies competing in a very fragmented Android sector of the market, while Apple is the sole beneficiary of iPhone sector.
In other words, using your own example, Apple gets almost 40% of the total EU mobile market profits - actually more because they sell premium products and get more profit per unit sold. And the rest - Samsung, Motorola, LG, Xiaomi, Huawei and many lesser known brands all have to divide the remaining 60% plus market share that represents cheaper phones and thus a lesser slice of the profits.
It's genuinely scary how many people think the EU is the European continent.
It's more worrying when people I know from the UK also don't realise this. They probably voted for Brexit too.
The UK keeping so many EU laws and regulations is pretty much the only thing keeping the country intact while the Tories rip up everything else.
Unfortunately you only have to look at any recent interview with Tim Apple to see how ingrained deception for profit is within the company. It's been done to death already on this thread, but the only reason Apple push the illusion of privacy so hard is because it makes them so much profit. If it suddenly became unprofitable for them to keep it as a core focus, they'd likey pivot to something else to fearmonger with.
Let's be honest, if it came to it then Apple would happily pay to have the bible rewritten so that God himself bestowed upon Jesus the almighty power of the iPhone. Adam and Eve did not merely bite the Apple, they created it, and it's seeds produced the iMac.
I did always wonder why the Apple logo had a bite out of it...
It appears ape believes they adhered to the spirit of the law, but the EU is attempting to say otherwise. If the law is unclear and apple believes they are within the law, my original statement still stands.
We don’t know they (apple) are purposefully skirting the laws. You’re suggesting the revenue is more than the fines, but companies don’t want to keep fight battles they know they will ultimately lose.
So no, and you’ll just make up whatever justification you need to in order to maintain that Apple isn’t breaking the law, regardless of actual legal outcomes. How very honest and reasonable lmao.
My comment about countries is a response to your comment on countries. So if you want to play this game, it’s your comments that refers to EU as a country. But rolling on.
I am not talking about Apple pulling out. I am talking about US government treating EU, the way their regulators are treating American companies.
Yeah sure. I put “countries” in quote because EU is not a country but I see lots of people referring EU as such. I know EU is not a country. But rolling on.
So you are not suggesting Apple to pull out of EU but US should return EU’s DMA “favor” against Apple and Google in kind? What’s your proposal on this one then?
Maybe the secret is tucked away deeply somewhere inside Apple headquarters. I wonder that too.
Or don't install apps a stranger tells you to. Those idiots deserve it.
Maybe those victims “deserved it”, maybe they don’t (I notice a lot of them involved clicking on facebook ads). It’s evidently gotten serious enough that a circular was issued by the police and you notice how every news article covering it specifically called out Android phones as the platform this specific scam was running on.
That has always been one of the main draws of iOS for me - that Apple doesn’t quite give their users enough rope to hang themselves with. My point is that a “choice” sometimes isn’t a choice when it can be overridden. Like if I say that I buy an iphone because I believed the locked down ecosystem is safer for me because this makes it technically impossible for certain scams to target me, and then legislation gets passed removing those safeguards, and you see how the “you don’t have to download apps outside of the App Store” rhetoric falls apart in this specific scenario (and possibly a couple others).
I guess my point is - opening up a closed ecosystem isn’t entire free of opportunity costs and tradeoffs, and I just wish the people advocating this would acknowledge this, rather than make it sound like it’s 100% pure upside. Maybe they are afraid that even admitting that there could be even the slightest possibility of a downside might invalidate their whole argument, but the point is - there already are, and I don’t think it’s doing anyone any favours for them to keep sticking their heads in the sand and pretend that this isn’t already happening.
thank you for being one of the sane voices on here lately.
the IT section a couple jobs ago regularly has to send emails around warning people about "this week's hoax email from the CEO". Dont click the link. Dont download software.
Always alerted everyone after at least one person had done it. And a few times what they installed affected the network or email system.
Yes, they were Android apps...
such a positive answer. destroy everything. and the point of doing that is? ...
Not everyone wants this Japan users. The reverse engineering People want this. Otherwise the common person has no intention of Using this crap.