I know, I encounter a scary amount of people who say ‘the UK isn’t European, they are not in the EU’
. I don’t think the poster I responded to realised the UK still operates with joint EU consumer laws but hopefully now does.
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I know, I encounter a scary amount of people who say ‘the UK isn’t European, they are not in the EU’
. I don’t think the poster I responded to realised the UK still operates with joint EU consumer laws but hopefully now does.No, that's not possible! A$$le marketing has always stated that "there are no virus" on their devices.
So, please stop doing FUD on thier platform that is the safest in the universe...
This thread has turned into the Apple AGM.
In that vein, in closing, make up the rational you want to in your mind that apple is breaking the law. So much cognitive dissonance around here.
Apple had to work much of this out with the EU prior to implementation.
Some of the people on here own more stock than Tim Cook. Their objectivity is very questionable.
They are aware of what they are doing.
Just take the fact when Apple tried to argue that safari isn’t actually the same to EU and why it’s shouldn’t be counted as the same thing across their platforms….
While also at the same time advertised on their website safari was the same thing
Questionable claim considering Apple is under investigation for having “serious issues” with their compliance. Talk about cognitive dissonance.
Any response you get will be akin to the hosts’ reponse from Westworld when they’re presented with something that would cause them to realize they’re robots.
“Doesn’t look like anything to me.”
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Except apple doesn't always pay bounties, so they end up selling to criminals.
Apple refused to pay bounty to Kaspersky for uncovering vulnerability in 'Operation Triangulation' - 9to5Mac
Kaspersky reported one of the iOS vulnerabilities found in Operation Triangulation. However, in a bizarre update, Apple reportedly refused to pay the security bounty.
9to5mac.com
Advertising is not the same as legal matters. Similar in vein to “what happens in the iPhone stays in the iPhone”. That is an advertised slogan, not an absolute statement of truth.
It’s a supposition, thus the phase “had to”. Nobody wanted the iPhone to become a ne’er do well paradise where illicit and immoral apps could be circulated without controls. Some of this, I’m assuming had to be discussed. But who knows.
It’s rampant.
Forgot the “/s”.
Given what's going on in Russia I would think "Apple internal policy" would cover not engaging with Russians.Except apple doesn't always pay bounties, so they end up selling to criminals.
Apple refused to pay bounty to Kaspersky for uncovering vulnerability in 'Operation Triangulation' - 9to5Mac
Kaspersky reported one of the iOS vulnerabilities found in Operation Triangulation. However, in a bizarre update, Apple reportedly refused to pay the security bounty.
Pay them and you would be called out for assisting them, dont pay them, get called out.
Probably best ignore and not cite any reason - which they did.
I'm thinking a few on here actually want the "ne'er do well paradise ... without controls". Every post is antiApple having any say on what goes "on their phone".
Forgetting it also opens OUR PHONES TOO... but that's 2024, and few care about others anymore...
At least, given the number of people on this forum, it's only a few. Which is a pleasant surprise.
I read the story. Still opened Apple to someone saying something negative.
And you used it as a counter argument.
Paying for bounties is indeed the norm.
Apple had a policy reason to reject this offer. That's their prerogative.
It doesnt cancel the other 99.9% of the time they pay for exploits found.
I posit another math problem:
When is Apple going to run out of (high-income) markets that do not allow bypassing the App Store? 😄
Europe has its Digital Markets Act.
Japan has its Act on Promotion of Competition for Specified Smartphone Software.
The United Kingdom has its Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers Act 2024.
I believe you're totally off base here. I don't see many of such posts.
For instance, I have no qualms about Apple's sandboxing requirements for iOS (them "having a say").
I just take issue with their monopolising software installation against third-party developers and consumers.
It seems to me at some point there will eventually be a critical mass of countries enforcing laws or enacting new ones to where Apple will simply implement a more open app policy globally. It only makes sense to maintain two different ways of doing things as long as the income is worth the trouble.
Honest question: How can the EU do this? Apple created the market and built the tools and the platform. It was a closed platform, by design, for the sake of security. I truly don't understand how a governmental agency can force Apple to open anything. If Apple doesn't allow you to do the things that you want to do, or to operate the way you want to operate, go to a different platform. Let the free market dictate it - if enough people believe that they don't want the Apple ecosystem, go somewhere else, and hit Apple in the pocketbook.
However, from where I sit, I see Apple being successful at what they are doing. Now these governmental agencies are coming along and forcing changes that dilute Apple's environment, take away a lot of what they built and introduce opportunity for security issues.
The adage used to be "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em"... these days, it's "if you can't beat them, make them let you play your way".
However, from where I sit, I see Apple being successful at what they are doing. Now these governmental agencies are coming along and forcing changes that dilute Apple's environment, take away a lot of what they built and introduce opportunity for security issues.
The adage used to be "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em"... these days, it's "if you can't beat them, make them let you play your way".
I’m a vote with your $$$ person and have no qualms with apple monopolized their software according to current laws. (Excluding the dma). YMMV.
Dear friend, if after so many articles and posts you still don't understand...
You mean to tell me that companies don't just get to ignore the laws of where they operate? 🤯
You mean to tell me that companies don't just get to ignore the laws of where they operate?
It’s not a matter of Apple ignoring the laws where they operate. The lawmakers are specifically targeting Apple’s business model and forcing them to change in the name of competition.
Apple is successful, arguably because they are good at what they do. Rather than allowing everyone to compete on a level playing field, the EU (and soon others) are forcing Apple to open things up and allow others to compete within Apple’s environment, watering down their intellectual property and weakening their built in security.
My comment was in response to your question of “how can the EU do this.” They can do it because they write the laws and Apple follows them or faces consequences.
Advertising absolutely is a legal matter. Hence why safari was deemed one and the same thing on iOS, iPadOS and MacOS.
You can’t make false advertisement.
A slogan is not a false advertisement. Hence why apple was never sued over this apparently “false fact”.