By that point Apple might as well just close shop for good.
Or move to China? 🇨🇳
They haven’t made any move yet.
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Or move to China? 🇨🇳
They haven’t made any move yet.
Do we need a cereal killer and a crime scene with milk on the floor?
Not going to happen because Apple is a corporation and its purpose is to make money. Leaving the EU would cost them money. Apple would rather make a worse product if it meant they were going to make money. That’s reasonable because they want to stay in business.
Yup … and the EU has done this whole thing for the benefits of their developers, not for the benefits of the people
Windows App Store charges a fee as well.
And I didn’t make a case for 30%. The case is ‘why 100% free’ . Which is what it would be on an App Store .
Other app stores are allowed - they complied to that. So it’s not comparable to ‘a state owned’. The charge is for the extra core technology fee of 0.50 cents over certain downloads. Where otherwise it wouldn’t be 0 by any other means. Any for web site hosting, you do know that it comes down to basically what? Amazon web services and some other big players. So the hosting doesn’t have ‘options’. And thanks for stating, you do pay something.
So I ask the question again, why 100% free through the App Store (any App Store) method.? And going back to you saying, for web method , they have options for different ‘price levels’. So that means, App Store shouldn’t be free (third party or not), basically, Apple should get paid if it’s on an App Store.
I mean, who needs European talents anyway when company speaks English first. /sAnd leave behind all the European engineers that work for them?
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You say this like developers in the EU aren't also part of the people of the EU. Not every law is going to benefit every single citizen equally. The intent here is to promote competition in the mobile app market, which should benefit everyone at least a little. Apple choosing to punish its users by passing on costs in other ways is a net negative, but that's Apple's doing and they need to bear the blame for that.
Been waiting for 2+ years. No action so far.
I agree with having the ability to use a website or w/e. It should be like a Mac . But there’s an argument to suggest AppStore should have 0 fees by some.
Which is what I’m curious about.
Don’t get me wrong, Apple should make it easier , at least offer options. The phone is only what it is, due to the developer community
Not to be too simplistic, but who says that this is true? I am quite happy with the way that the Apple store exists. And, note, no body complained when it first began . . . and the rules have arguably not really change that much. But NOW, after they have created a large and enviable system organically, it is a problem.
Apple had to know the CTF would never fly. Still, I’m sure they’ll fight the EU for as long as they can.
The phone is 100% a computer any way you slice it. Everyone has sensitive personal information on there just like on a "regular" computer. Also, I find this type of thinking strange where people who don't want openness are afraid that their phones will be become vulnerable. That's not how it works, it's opt in. If you don't want to side load or use alternative app stores just don't do it and absolutely nothing will change for you. The risk is totally voluntary. Informed adults can make that choice on their own. Being afraid of the opening it up always strikes me as the person not understanding how it works and just blindly repeating what Apple has to say about it.
Apple is lazy, so they are wanting to use the iOS version for EU, worldwide. That's not EU forcing their rules worldwide. That's why there is usb c iPhones in USA, cause apple is lazy.
Those stores will be regulated by the EU directly, just as Apple's Appstore would be. Apple has no need to worry about the consumers' safety suddenly.
Why should there be an apple app store fee, if devs are using Amazon or epic online app store? There's a thing called the first-sale doctrine in USA, apple sold the iPhone, I'm allowed to do anything with it, it is my property.
The BS about not being the only OS in town, not having majority of the Marketshare in the region, etc., will fly in the US. The EU rightfully considers only iOS as a market and there is no competition for Apple there. Unfortunately, you cannot lobby the EU like you can in the US (using payment) and hence frustration.You cant say the EU arent speedy.... I mean this little Apple AppStore just sprung up last week and plays by their own rules...
What? Over a decade of going along nicely, not the major OS, but happy users?
Geez we better put in some poorly worded legislation that is so vague we can complain about any changes they make to meet it... the even allowed Gatekeepers to vet all apps for security and platform integrity issues. By vetting, they allow a fee to be collected for apps outside the official store. Seems EU not happy that Apple want 12-27% to do it...
They state it is about better outcomes for customers but it wont generate lower charges.
Just more money collected will go to EU companies.
This is about $$$. Nothing more.
Not really comparable, Microsoft Store lets you choose your own commerce platform and keep 100% of the revenue for non-gaming apps, or use Microsoft’s commerce platform and pay a fee of 12% for games and 15% for apps. They are basically only charging a fee if you want to use them for handle payment processing.
On Windows there is obviously the option of just skipping the MS Store all together and just delivering installers by whatever means you'd like and keeping 100% of the revenue.
The US government is also suing Apple and it is far more broad legal case than the DMA.
You mean the letter & spirit of the law the EU invented on the fly at the behest of clowns like Spoitify/Epic?
"...... how Apple should operate within the borders and for the citizens of its member countries..."
If that's the case then why does the EU feel entitled to extort 5% of Apple's global revenue?
Which will be challenged and end up in courts for at least 5 years. More than likely, 10 or more. It’s not even certain that whomever follows the current person after this year will feel quite so focused on this.
Those of you suggesting Apple “should just leave the EU”, should consider this, from iPhone’s new best friend:
Besides, the US, the UK, Turkey, Australia, Brazil, India and Japan are currently working on similar laws.
As I said before, Apple can make it all go away by making iOS and iPadOS as open as macOS.
Besides, the US, the UK, Turkey, Australia, Brazil, India and Japan are currently working on similar laws.
As I said before, Apple can make it all go away by making iOS and iPadOS as open as macOS.
Obviously, since they are only making the changes to the EU version of iOS, they don’t want to use it everywhere.
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There were rumours in the Financial Times, etc., about a 48% rate, but it seems they ended up being up to 38.1%[1] for some, such as SAIC. I suppose you won't like the new US EV tariffs then.China is getting charged for their EV products 48% tariffs. EU is pissing off the world with their hate of the world besides what's within EU limits.
[1] https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_3231
[2] https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...usinesses-from-chinas-unfair-trade-practices/
I believe it's actually 10%, or up to 20% if they reoffend. It's a fairly simple way to set a means-based financial punishment that would be large enough relative to the company being fined to effectively disincentivise violating DMA regulations. It's not like they have to physically take money from each country to pay the fine, it's just a means of coming to a number.
Think of it like how some countries will set speeding fines based on the offender's income rather than having set rates for infractions.