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That pretty much confirms John Gruber is best pals with Phil Schiller :)
 
Where are the naysayers now?

Apple would never produce a gold one.
Apple will never produce a plastic one.
Apple would never come out with those colors.
Apple priced the 5c too much.
Apple needs a larger screen.
Apple cannot innovate.
Apple is doomed.

Point by point:

1. Big deal
2. Big deal
3. Big deal
4. We have no indication this product is a success. iPhone 5S despite limited availability is selling far better
5. I agree.
6. I don't think buying a fingerprint company is innovative, and 64 bit designs haven't been used in a smartphone but are certainly being considered by all involved. It might be innovative, but we'll see a year from now.
7. I think Apple is doomed in the long term to profitableness, but I don't think it'll be anything different than "just another company"-Apple isn't really cool anymore and seem really dependent on reviews for something that right now is not particularly different from last year; we'll see this thing tested out soon, but I don't think the innovations at this point really matter. Fingerprint scanner isn't commonly enough utilized and aside from that, for most users, it will be an indistinguishable experience.

So we'll see. This changes nothing.

Or a larger screen.
Or better battery life.
Or LTE.
Or better performance.
Or a much better camera.
Or a lightning connector.
Or slow motion video.
Or...

I doubt that the 5S gets significantly better battery life than a 4S, and I doubt more heavily a 4.

I'm not sure that the camera will make a difference to most people. Same with slo-mo.

The lightning connector certainly isn't a big deal to most people.

And my 4S has great performance. Don't see why I'd need more.

LTE is the only big deal and only from a 4S. Bigger screen? Bigger deal. Still tough to text without typo.

Is it a better phone? Absolutely. Is it a good phone? Yes. Does it address Apple's problems with the mobile phone market? I don't think so, but we'll see. I see no reason Apple fragmented between the 3.5 and 4 models in screen size-I think they should've kept the aspect ratio the same (as with the ipad) and went 3.5/4.5-4.8 for fragmentation-but I'm not an expert. I'm just a guy who knows I have no use for a 5S, as I have a 5 already.

No one's saying that this is a BAD phone, although they might be saying things like "it sucks" because...it isn't a bad phone, but to a lot of people, it isn't what they want. And to millions, it is what they want.
 
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Yes the Verge has found their niche - and it isn't kowtowing to Apple products. If they gave the iPhone too much praise, there would've been hell to pay in the comment section. Unfortunately the intelligence of comments on the Verge is being sucked out by Androidian drones. The Verge used to have a far more wittier and informed balance of dialog. On the verge of becoming Engadget.

The Verge is one of my main reads, but I agree the caliber of writing and reviews seems to have gone down, and the comments are overflowing with anti Apple drivel.

The only site worth a damn, and this has been the case since the dawn of time, is anandtech.
 
This new iPhone 5S is getting old MAN...let's talk about iPhone 6 :cool:
Let's talk about:
- NFC
- 5" 1080P Super AMOLED / HD screen
- A8 Quad-core processor @ 2.1 Ghz
- Wi-Fi 801.11 AC
- Internal Storage 128 GB
- 2 Gb of RAM - Faster memory for the 64 Bit ISO 7
:mad:
 
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The benchmarks have already proven that applications get a significant performance bump by recompiling to 64-bit.
But it's not because there's anything inherently faster about 64-bit computing, the Android whiners are actually correct that it's slower in theory-- but it's the fact that it's an entirely new, more powerful, more efficient architecture that gets the performance boost. It's not 64 vs 32-bit, it's ARMv8 vs ARMv7.

And think about it, by the time phones need more than 4GB memory, Apple will already be firmly established with their 64-bit platform and all the apps. Waiting until the 4GB limit becomes a problem is not the time to think about changing to a new 64-bit architecture! This is what they meant by "forward-thinking."

Certain applications benefit from the 64bit registers in the A7 as well as ARMv8, which is in fact a significant advantage over 32bit registers in ARMv7.

Perhaps you should read up on some of the apps that already take advantage of these registers? Gaming would certainly be an example of apps that might take advantage of the 64bit registers.
 
This new iPhone 5S is getting old MAN...let's talk about iPhone 6 :cool:
Let's talk about:
- NFC
- 5" 1080P Super AMOLED / HD screen
- A8 Quad-core processor @ 2.1 Ghz
- Wi-Fi 801.11 AC
- Internal Storage 128 GB
- 2 Gb of RAM - Faster memory for the 64 Bit ISO 7
:mad:

Good lord, I hope they don't go with a 5" screen. The 4" screen on the 5/5s/5c is already pushing it in my opinion.

Alternatively, if they do, I'm hoping they offer a "iPhone Nano" SKU for those of us that don't want to be carrying around giganto-phones.
 
That's what Android spods don't get. It's not numbers and specs - it's the real world overall experience of handling and using the products.

Well that's exactly it. To Android users, the day to day "real world experience" of their phone is more fulfilling to them. The increased functionality of Android works better for them (and then there are the people who like to tinker with their phones on top of it, i.e. rooting/flashing is not a chore but a hobby). Android is perfectly acceptable out of the box (I won't quite put it on par as iOS out of the box in my personal experience) but really excels when you customize it to a certain degree that benefits your needs in a phone.
 
Batman and Robin grossed $238m back in 1997, and that was a heap of ****. Maybe it speaks volumes about the customers more than the product.

Sales =/= great product

The 5S and 5C are variants of the 5, with little that's game-changing. I've no doubt it's not bad, but there's no need to start wetting your panties.

So...

Bad Sales = great product

Yeah?!
 
Upgraded from a 4S for a larger screen and LTE. The latter being a big one.. It allows me 5gb of "unlimited data" instead of 3gb before being throttled.. Not to mention that it is LIGHTNING FAST. Couldn't be happier. It is the best iPhone, hands down.

I'm a UK user, now on the EE 4G network. Have upgraded from a 4S on Orange 3G. With the slightly bigger screen, A7, and LTE, everything is noticeably snappier.

There are some other nice surprises. This phone finds and holds on to network signals much better than the 4S in large Faraday cages (trains). The Bluetooth sync'ed immediately with my 7 year old Audi. Battery life has improved and its easier to switch resource hungry wifi / Bluetooth on and off under iOS7.

The Product Red leather bumper works well too. Just wondering about getting some GGS glass protection . . .
 
Thanks.

It is interesting that you had to go back to 2002 to find that, no?

No, since I picked the date at random (and it's 2005).

In the history of the iPhone and iPad - Apple's never created (as far as I can tell) a pull quote page.

You mean, besides the Hot News page?

Again - my opinion is that it's because competition is greater now.

My opinion is that you are making something out of nothing.

I doubt that the 5S gets significantly better battery life than a 4S, and I doubt more heavily a 4.

You may doubt it. But you're wrong. Check out the tech specs for each model.

I'm not sure that the camera will make a difference to most people. Same with slo-mo.

The lightning connector certainly isn't a big deal to most people.

And my 4S has great performance. Don't see why I'd need more.

LTE is the only big deal and only from a 4S. Bigger screen? Bigger deal. Still tough to text without typo.

:D Over-generalization and rationalization at its best!

Is it a better phone? Absolutely. Is it a good phone? Yes. Does it address Apple's problems with the mobile phone market? I don't think so, but we'll see. I see no reason Apple fragmented between the 3.5 and 4 models in screen size-I think they should've kept the aspect ratio the same (as with the ipad) and went 3.5/4.5-4.8 for fragmentation-but I'm not an expert. I'm just a guy who knows I have no use for a 5S, as I have a 5 already.

No one's saying that this is a BAD phone, although they might be saying things like "it sucks" because...it isn't a bad phone, but to a lot of people, it isn't what they want. And to millions, it is what they want.

I have no idea what that has to do with what I said. :confused:
 
This new iPhone 5S is getting old MAN...let's talk about iPhone 6 :cool:
Let's talk about:
- NFC
- 5" 1080P Super AMOLED / HD screen
- A8 Quad-core processor @ 2.1 Ghz
- Wi-Fi 801.11 AC
- Internal Storage 128 GB
- 2 Gb of RAM - Faster memory for the 64 Bit ISO 7
:mad:

The Iphone 6 will not have the following:
NFC or a Quad core 2.1ghz processor.

NFC has not taken off in North America (where most iPhones are sold) and will likely be dead in 2 years and replaced by BLE.

If the A8 is quad-core, the indivduals cores will be slower to reduce heat and battery drain.
 
So...

Bad Sales = great product

Yeah?!

That's asinine.

Let's look at the demographic of people who would buy an iPhone in the week of launch:

Rabid fanboys
Scalpers selling the handsets to rabid fanboys
Anyone who would have otherwise bought an iPhone 5 in the last few months

Success for the devices isn't decided in this week, but over the life cycle of the product.
 
Where are the naysayers now?

Apple would never produce a gold one.
Apple will never produce a plastic one.
Apple would never come out with those colors.
Apple priced the 5c too much.
Apple needs a larger screen.
Apple cannot innovate.
Apple is doomed.


Apple prices are too high!
 
It may be the best smartphone on the market right now...but there is almost no reason to upgrade if you have a 4S or 5 already...unless you want a fingerprint reader.

LTE was a big positive for me going from the 4S to the 5. The added screen size didn't make too much difference but LTE was a BIG reason to upgrade for me.
 
The Verge: "...the 5S is “the most forward-thinking iPhone yet” and “the best smartphone in the world.”

(complete line: Apple says the 5S is “the most forward-thinking iPhone yet” and “the best smartphone in the world.”)

Not sure where you got that from as the Verge wasn't highlighted on Apple's we site. :confused:

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Yes the Verge has found their niche - and it isn't kowtowing to Apple products. If they gave the iPhone too much praise, there would've been hell to pay in the comment section. Unfortunately the intelligence of comments on the Verge is being sucked out by Androidian drones. The Verge used to have a far more wittier and informed balance of dialog. On the verge of becoming Engadget.

The Verge has found their niche - sucking Google's you know what. :D
 
It's great they are getting positive feedback, despite this being a low key update for those wanting bigger screens, and other more eye candy features to be added. Will have to wait for 2014 to see what Apple does.

Just wished Apple would have built more of these units before the official launch. Some stores only receiving small amounts of stock, only once this week is quite poor. Hard for customers to be amped about the amazing products, if they can't get their hands on them.

The 5s had to share an assembly line with the 5, and there were numerous new components that could introduce delays. No one would have wanted to produce more iPhones than Apple. Given the number of leaks we saw, they were already producing them months prior to introduction. Making more phones isn't a simple matter.
 
I dont like that one of the quotes they have chosen claims the iphone had the best camera out of all phones, when that is objectively wrong.
Objectively via specs or objectively by comparing camera output? You can have all of the mega pixels in the world but that means nothing if the output looks more like a typical "smartphone" photo than DSLR quality.

A higher pixel density sensor with more megapixels packed in can actually produce a much worse picture quality in certain conditions than one with lower density but a higher quality sensor, optics and colour processing.

@Zerilos:I also don't foresee a quadcore A8 processor as most tasks such as web browsing and games utilize just one core and the A7 handily beats the quad-core processors used in Android phones on single core task benchmarks.
 
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Is it a better phone? Absolutely. Is it a good phone? Yes. Does it address Apple's problems with the mobile phone market? I don't think so, but we'll see. I see no reason Apple fragmented between the 3.5 and 4 models in screen size-I think they should've kept the aspect ratio the same (as with the ipad) and went 3.5/4.5-4.8 for fragmentation-but I'm not an expert. I'm just a guy who knows I have no use for a 5S, as I have a 5 already.

People with Galaxy SIII's probably don't have much urge to run out an buy a Galaxy SIV either. Yearly upgrades simply aren't things most people do. That's not a problem. Right now, Apple's only "problem" in the mobile phone market is making enough phones to meet demand.

Will a larger screen iPhone drive sales? Sure. I bet it will bring in record sales, just like every previous generation did. I think offering more screen sizes is a necessary step to take at some point to reach more of the market, but I wouldn't say the 4" iPhone is problematic right now, given its sales. There are a number of companies that would love to have Apple's "problems". This apparently includes Samsung, who had employees asking customers why they line up for iPhones.
 
It may be the best smartphone on the market right now...but there is almost no reason to upgrade if you have a 4S or 5 already...unless you want a fingerprint reader.

You must be confused. I upgraded from a 4S, and the 5S is a LOT faster, with a LOT better camera and a larger screen and its a bit lighter too.

With the iOS7 update, the 4S is noticeably slower than the 5S and the speed of the 5S' camera is an amazing improvement. No waiting around between shots or for the app to load. What's more, the lower-light performance of the 5S' camera is considerably better than the 4S.

Maybe the move from a 5 to a 5S is not as big a step, but from the 4S it certainly is.

Oh, and then there is the fingerprint sensor. Almost forgot about that one.
 
This has nothing to do with Android. No idea why you would bring it up except to start a flame war on a thread that again has nothing to do with Android.

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To be fair - I think he's talking about creating a web page - not quotes in a keynote. So I'm not sure your example is the right "proof."

Except for the fact that Apple has in the past posted reviews of the iPhone on the Safari Start page - going all the way back to the first iPhone.
 
It's great they are getting positive feedback, despite this being a low key update for those wanting bigger screens, and other more eye candy features to be added. Will have to wait for 2014 to see what Apple does.

Just wished Apple would have built more of these units before the official launch. Some stores only receiving small amounts of stock, only once this week is quite poor. Hard for customers to be amped about the amazing products, if they can't get their hands on them.

I don't want eye candy features, I want innovative features, such as the ability to run multiple apps at once on the same screen, the swype keyboard, automatically remove moving objects from pictures, etc. that the competitors have done. But not just for Apple to catch up to these features, but to also come out with something truly new and amazing.

Or what about making the phone waterproof up to a depth of say 30 Ft. for 3 hours, crushproof with up to 15lbs of force, drop proof from heights up to 15', freezeproof, etc.

If they can do it with a touch screen digital camera, they can surely do it with a touchscreen phone. Yes, the touch screen might not be able to operate under water, but at least make it survive such an incident.
 
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