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Tempted but I have so many issues with Apple Health that I can't do it. Plus lack of sleep monitoring. The FitBit app is what keeps me with FitBit. Everything is synced online. It's fast. With Apple Health, I have 16 GB of data that I can't export (I've been through to Apple's highest levels of tech support--even executive customer support) and it just doesn't work. And it can't handle all that data so the app is unusably slow. The Apple Watch is exactly the type of thing I would use otherwise. I have a $399 pulse oximeter (the MightySat--it's now 299 but was 399 when I got it), the AliveCor EKG, an Omron 786N blood pressure monitor, a CGM (continuous glucose monitor), and a FitBit Charge 2. I am the exact person who would love the Apple Watch, but I just can't get Apple Health to work well. And for me it's all about quantifying data and looking at long-term trends. Apple has suggested I just delete my Apple Health data because they have no other solution, but for me that's not a solution.
Is it possible to trade in your device to apple if you wish to upgrade in the uk?
 
Apple, of course, only focused on pulling out positive commentary on the Apple Watch Series 4 models, but reviews for the device were largely positive. Some reviewers didn't think it offered enough to entice Series 3 owners to upgrade, but said that it's more than worthwhile for anyone upgrading from an earlier Apple Watch model.

People can say they cherry-picked their reviews, but nearly every review regarding iPhones is positive anyway, and the Apple Watch really is no different. It's a great product, and garners favourable reviews.

If some reviewers don't think the Series 4 offers enough to entice Series 3 owners to upgrade, that's fine. I don't consider that a negative. Keeping a watch for over a year is not a negative. I really hope Series 3 owners don't bother upgrading unless they really need the ECG and fall detection features, because the Series 3 is still an amazing watch, just one without ECG.


38mm vs 40 mm

Is the actual size of the watch 4 bigger like the outer casing or is it the same size screen without the bezels? If you put a 38 next to the 40 are they the same size watch?

I haven't looked it up, but it should be bigger. Standard watch sizes are given in much the same way. I have a 40mm watch, but my biggest is a 44 mm watch, which really is huge. Apple is just following convention by describing their watches this way.
 
Since I already have an X, I’m not upgrading to XS, it’s not worth it for me, however I have an upgrade bug, an Apple Watch this year has perked my interest.
 
It will be interesting to see how well these hold up.
Early iPhones didn’t age well but you could easily keep a newer one for a long time if you weren’t fussy about features.

I'm sure future watches will last longer. The processor leaps have been big the first couple years and we're now to one that may be able to power it for a number of years.
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The potential for the Watch's falls detection feature is enormous. Well thought-out and implemented.

Interesting how the feature is on be default for people 65 and older but has to be turned on manually by everyone else.
 
Even though Apple just replaced my original watch with a brand new replacement due to battery bulge (they said they don’t refurb watches), I’ll still be going for the watch 4. And the smaller one now has a slightly larger display than the old 42 so I’m happy to go with that and share bands with my wife and her watch 3/38.
 
Interested in one, but like the phone this year, not interested enough for pre-order. Like the phones this year, I want to see it in person first, then enjoy it for a 13 day test drive before I decide to commit ;) .
 
It looks good actually, and I have been a hater of the Watch since the beginning. But since then Apple has pushed me away from the iPhone, so no go.. Oh well.
 
38mm vs 40 mm

Is the actual size of the watch 4 bigger like the outer casing or is it the same size screen without the bezels? If you put a 38 next to the 40 are they the same size watch?

Case is a bit taller.



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I don’t see anyone calling out the poor battery life or lack of sleep tracking features. I find that surprising.

A growing consensus amongst medical practitioners is the utmost importance of sleep (probably at least as important as exercise) and Apple Watch still completely fails in this regard.

I dare say they will make a big song and dance about it when a future series can go more than 24 hours on a charge.
 
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38mm vs 40 mm

Is the actual size of the watch 4 bigger like the outer casing or is it the same size screen without the bezels? If you put a 38 next to the 40 are they the same size watch?

The case is bigger. The screen is larger. The 40mm is a larger watch. The red areas are how much bigger the 40mm & 44mm are than the 38mm and 42mm.

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I haven't looked it up, but it should be bigger. Standard watch sizes are given in much the same way. I have a 40mm watch, but my biggest is a 44 mm watch, which really is huge. Apple is just following convention by describing their watches this way.

Standard watches measure the diameter horizontally. Apple measures theirs vertically to match convention.
 
You kidding me? Steve always highlighted good reviews and mentioned them during keynotes. Like, all the time. You couldn’t stop him.

All the time. I cannot understate this. It happened so, so, so frequently.

Are you kidding me? Steve Jobs was NEVER late. He never had bad concepts or execution, he was always at the forefront of technology and he didn't ever release a phone model with obsolete or near obsolete features. I know this because I've read ALL of the Apple centric rumor sites and he did not make one single mistake EVER. He was the perfect CEO, loved by all, even his competitors, and.....oh my. I think im having a fantasy land reaction. Excuse me for a day or 2.

/Haven't ordered an Apple Watch but I may try to buy one Friday. And yes, I was being just a teensy bit sarcastic and I was not really making fun of u/keysofanxiety but of the people who won't concede that Steve was human. Talented, smart, but human.
 
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I'm still rocking the OG apple watch (yes A1554) and I'm ready to upgrade.... I don't think I need the series 4 but the extra size of the screen is making me want to take that leap. Series 3 is what I'll probably go for unless the 4 size diff really speaks to me.
 
ECG is the only reason I see there to upgrade

Many cardiologists question its accuracy. It did not get independent confirmation or approval. It's not clear how accurate the single-point measurement is, and how accurate a diagnosis its AI can make. The FDA did not approve it as a medical device, it was just "cleared" the way for sales and marketing. Since it was cleared by the FDA, it probably works as well as other single-point consumer ECG devices (no, the Apple Watch wasn't the first one). However, it was not approved by the FDA for proper medical diagnosis, which generally requires a multi-point (6-point) sensor.
 
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I ordered my phone and watch at the same moment in the wee hours of launch morning like every other excited consumer but watch won't arrive till October 12? What's up with that? I honestly am more excited for the watch than the phone.
 
The new watch sounds great (although expensive), but somehow they still forgot to include iMessage sync in WatchOS5 - I guess that's just never happening, despite it being the second most obvious use case for having iMessages sync'd...
 
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Only 1 hour talk time on cellular... I'll pass thanks. How is that convenient?

I don’t think making a lot of calls on a watch is that convenient anyway.
It’s more to make quick calls rather than be a phone replacement.
 
So low IQ journalists think the health features are super magic. I want to hear what some doctors think.
 
Yes, the new Apple Watch with watchOS 5 is amazing. It's starting to become a mature product like the iPhone with iOS 5, the iPad with iOS 10 and Apple TV with tvOS 10. ECG support is revolutionary and has the chance to even save lives. However, I just hate the redesign. I think the previous 38mm and 42mm sizes were just perfect. They look great on the wrist and they fit most wrists well.

I think going bigger was a mistake here. just like the red dot looked tacky on Series 3. The 44mm version looks huge and will look out of place on everyone except for men with wrists 7" and larger. Women, teens and men with small wrists will look ridiculous with the 44mm one on and I know many people will buy them without caring about how it wears. Hopefully Apple will learn that bigger isn't always better.
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38mm vs 40 mm

Is the actual size of the watch 4 bigger like the outer casing or is it the same size screen without the bezels? If you put a 38 next to the 40 are they the same size watch?

No, they're both bigger than their predecessors and not just by screen size. The 40mm one will be the one to get for the majority of folks. 44mm is really for men with 7"+ wrists. It is the same with regular watches. Modern women's sizes are from 28mm-36mm. 40mm can be pulled off with some watches that aren't too thick. As for men, 36mm-44mm is the normal range with 39,40,41,42mm being the sweet spot. Smaller watches look too small and bigger watches just look too big. Look at companies like Invicta selling 50mm+ watches. They even say that they're ok for women as well which is just insane!
 
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Only 1 hour talk time on cellular... I'll pass thanks. How is that convenient?
If you ever tried taking more than 5 minutes on the watch you’d see that it’s plenty.
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I don’t see anyone calling out the poor battery life or lack of sleep tracking features. I find that surprising.

A growing consensus amongst medical practitioners is the utmost importance of sleep (probably at least as important as exercise) and Apple Watch still completely fails in this regard.

I dare say they will make a big song and dance about it when a future series can go more than 24 hours on a charge.
True. It charges fast but if you wear it over night you’ll have to charge in morning and probably before bed.

But I’m still thinking it might be smarter to have a dedicated sleep monitor you use at night and charge your watch. Both would sync to the health app anyway.
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I don’t think making a lot of calls on a watch is that convenient anyway.
It’s more to make quick calls rather than be a phone replacement.
In our experience it’s really only useful to answer a call and say “hello? Hello? I can’t hear you. Let me find my phone...”
 
It’s the biggest leap in Apple Watch yet, however it’s not a big enough of a jump from my Series 2 to warrant an upgrade. Before Watch OS5 I was seriously going to buy one, but my series 2 runs great now.

I concur. With WatchOS4, the watch was basically unusable (e.g. Workout app loads slugglishly)
With WatchOS5, it's buttery smooth again. I have to really test out WatchOS5 on the Series2 before jumping.
 
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