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I get it Apple. You want to marginalize the [real] computer market because by market share you've always been and always will be but a relatively small player there. You want to convince the world that the future is your iToys because you dominate that market.

But look at all the people here posting everyday examples of things your precious iPad cannot do.
Take note, stop making these silly advertisements and get back to work.*


*Yes, Apple Defense Force foot soldiers, I know iOS engineers don't do the marketing.
 
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Why are people so offended by iPad and by Apple calling it a computer? Computer can mean lots of things. The phone in my pocket is a computer. Just because it doesn’t have mouse support doesn’t make it not a computer. It find it bizarre how many people who probably will never own an iPad Pro are so offended by it. OK it doesn’t work for you then don’t buy it. I don’t need a Mac but I don’t complain about people who do. Buy what works for you and don’t care about what doesn’t.

You must not come in here much. This forum is full of negatives comments ALL the time...
 
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So that’s 3 reasons why to get an iPad, 1 reason why to upgrade to LTE model, and 1 reason why to get an Apple Pencil.
 
It’s as expensive as a computer so it must be a computer. Apple marketing at its best.
 
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i will at least THINK about an iPad being my machine IF the keyboard that apple sells for it as an attachable to it has not just arrow directional keys, but also an integrated trackpad on it.
thats the thing to watch and wait for. its really a simple test if it can be used as a computer for most people.
 
Can it remote into a computer or terminal server? Can I use a mouse while remoting?


This might sound very 80s, but to me the main issue is not being able to connect a mouse. At some point I thought, ok, no more Macbook; I will get an iPad, remote into my work computer and then... how am I going to navigate that work computer without a mouse?
I do it all the time with the "Jump" app (one of several choices), my iPad 2, and a well-placed finger. It would be even better if I used my iPad case's built-in BT keyboard; but honestly, most of the time, Jump's onscreen keyboard works fine.
 
Perhaps Apple can offer a “pro” version of an ipad os for the newest ipad pros and a basic version for the less expensive and older iPads.
 
i will at least THINK about an iPad being my machine IF the keyboard that apple sells for it as an attachable to it has not just arrow directional keys, but also an integrated trackpad on it.
thats the thing to watch and wait for. its really a simple test if it can be used as a computer for most people.
The whole DAMN thing is a giant Trackpad!!! WTF is everyone's PROBLEM?!?
 
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Just because Apple really, really, really wants everyone to buy a closed ecosystem, high-margin tablet versus an open-platform (or as open as Apple allows), lower margin Mac doesn't mean it actually makes sense. Nice of them to be trying so hard talking about it, but not actually making it more useful to people that haven't converted because of their current needs. These new devices have not addressed any of the issues to gain a larger share of the laptop market.

Just imagine a world where Apple has complete control over every application you install on your main computing device, where you can only connect what Apple allows you to connect, and where your data is hostage to the iCloud because of limited local storage. A perfect scenario for Apple's bottom line, not for the consumer.

A P P L E
M E M O

Dear Apple Family,

For a long time, Mac users have had some very unpleasant tendencies, and they're not bringing in as much money as we'd like. They like to install software they don't buy on the App Store. They have a propensity for customizing things as they see fit, hooking up storage devices they bought from someone besides Apple. Very troubling. Some of these dangerous people are even using the command line to make their Macs do all kinds of things Apple hasn't approved.

Fortunately, Jony's efforts to lock down Mac hardware to iOS standards have been going pretty well. Not only are our Macs as thin as possible, but most of them incredibly difficult to open up to replace or upgrade parts. So good job there.

But from now on, we must urge our Mac users to replace their Macs with iPads. We've got to convince them to give up their precious "software" that may come from unsanctioned places (gross) -- and start paying the appropriate monthly subscription fees for nice new "Apps" that we have carefully approved for them. To that end, we're going to keep pushing all the innovation and R&D in that direction. If they don't get on board, they can buy freakin' Dells or whatever for all I care.

-- Timmy

ps: Mac Mini team, nice work on that update. Now go take another four years off, you deserve it.
 
I’m not knocking people who can’t use an iPad. I get 100% why it won’t work for some people, maybe a lot of people. What I don’t get is why this product is so offensive to some. I’ll never need a Mac Pro or an iMac Pro but I’m not offended that those products exist. Why are some offended that the iPad Pro exists or that Apple calls it a computer?
Excellent point. It’s a though some people are just downright angry about the iPad. What a waste of energy.
 
i will at least THINK about an iPad being my machine IF the keyboard that apple sells for it as an attachable to it has not just arrow directional keys, but also an integrated trackpad on it.
thats the thing to watch and wait for. its really a simple test if it can be used as a computer for most people.

Apple is not going to add pointer support to the iPad. No trackpad. No mouse. They’ve made it very clear that they do not believe in mixing a touch UI with a pointer UI. How is an iPad with mouse support any different from a Surface? It’s not.

I do think we’ll see pointer support in iOS when Apple transitions the Mac to iOS one day. But I don’t think Apple will ever support a mouse/trackpad on iPads.
 
Yeah.... not sure I can add much that wasn't said already in 9 pages of comments? But had to chime in that THIS is exactly what I hate about the "new Apple". This garbage Tim Cook keep spewing about the iPad being pretty much a computer replacement is going to be what drives me away from the Mac after using Apple products faithfully for the last 15 years or so. (Before that, I was pretty much a DOS and Windows guy.)

I own an iPad Pro with a pencil and a keyboard cover, and a few dongle adapters.... and I've owned several iPads before it too. So I'm not against the iPad itself. I can simply tell you it doesn't cut it as a laptop replacement, at all! For starters, it runs the same, dumbed-down operating system originally made for their cellphones! At least Microsoft puts full-blown Windows 10 on their Surface Pro product.

Additionally, it utterly lacks connectivity options. Gigabit wired Ethernet (or wired Ethernet at ALL?) isn't just "nice to have". It's essential if you work in I.T. and need to program new switches, firewalls or routers - doing their initial configurations to put them on a network.

And sure, it has great battery life? But what about the very common situation with laptops where you want to leave it plugged in and use it that way, so you don't run down a battery that you'll need to use later? If you do that on an iPad, you tie up the only expansion port on the thing -- so that means you're not going to be able to work with any external storage devices or anything else that won't talk to it via Bluetooth or wi-fi.

If anything, I'd call an iPad a possible Netbook alternative. And even then, it probably doesn't make a lot of sense when Netbooks are generally so much cheaper and give people a better keyboard to type on.

I've always considered my iPad an unnecessary, but "nice to have" accessory/device to use in addition to my laptop and desktop machines. It's great for certain scenarios like web surfing and emailing people while lying in bed, or using it while standing up. It's also a great kiosk solution, and good for custom projects like in-dash car computers/media players. If I know I have suitable iOS apps on mine for certain tasks I need to do on the go? Yeah, I can take it with me instead of taking a laptop. Or if I know I just want to consume media, like reading e-books or video? Again, it's a good fit for those tasks. (Used to take it with me every day on my work commute when I rode on the train. It served as my music player, let me watch movies or TV shows I put on it ahead of time, and could read the electronic version of the daily newspaper and other news sites on it.) . I'm not an artist but I can definitely see people using it as their primary or only tool for drawing sketches or animations.

But come on, Apple! You just don't seem to get that when I want to play video games, I'm looking at popular titles like Fallout 76 or Overwatch, that just aren't coming to an iPad (or even a Mac running OS X in most cases, these days). And when I want to get work done, I want to use the SAME apps on the go that I use at work. iPads paired with Bluetooth keyboards still don't use the hotkey shortcuts the same way as they do on Windows or on a Mac when you're in programs like MS Office. I always find myself going back and forth between the keyboard and tapping something or other on the iPad screen, and it's just not efficient.

I also want to be able to manipulate multiple programs running at the same time, with independent windows I can resize and rearrange at will. iOS doesn't provide that kind of power at all.

I used to build a lot of basic web sites for people too. Not so much currently, but again -- I can't imagine trying to do that on just an iPad? There are so many good programs for web development in OS X that I don't think have iOS equivalents.
 
I’m not knocking people who can’t use an iPad. I get 100% why it won’t work for some people, maybe a lot of people. What I don’t get is why this product is so offensive to some. I’ll never need a Mac Pro or an iMac Pro but I’m not offended that those products exist. Why are some offended that the iPad Pro exists or that Apple calls it a computer?

My guess is, the people knocking it would rather see Apple focus more energy and attention on the Mac. This is no different than the early Mac days when Apple II users hated on the Mac nonstop...because they saw the writing on the wall. History is repeating itself.
 
I’m not knocking people who can’t use an iPad. I get 100% why it won’t work for some people, maybe a lot of people. What I don’t get is why this product is so offensive to some. I’ll never need a Mac Pro or an iMac Pro but I’m not offended that those products exist. Why are some offended that the iPad Pro exists or that Apple calls it a computer?

I believe it’s more that the kind of people who really care about such things (such as the kind of people who read and respond on Apple rumor sites) feel let down by the promise of a great machine, that the iPad Pro has so much more potential that’s being squandered. Everyone wants to be able to use as a replacement for their computer, but it can’t yet.

Then Apple comes along with these ads that, while directed to the rest of the less tech-savvy world, feels insulting to people here. Like they’re saying “This should be good enough.”

For many people who’ve tried, they say “No, it’s not. Try harder.”
 
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When I was something like 8 years old, my grandfather told me and my brother that he bought us a computer. Imagine our disappointment when he gave us a calculator. That’s my response to all the an iPad IS a computer just like your watch IS a computer posts. Yeah, you’re right but you know what we mean.
 
As a UX Designer, there's no app support for an iPad for Sketch, Flinto, Axure and Zeplin etc., so no, it's not a replacement for my MacBook Pro.
 
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I’m not knocking people who can’t use an iPad. I get 100% why it won’t work for some people, maybe a lot of people. What I don’t get is why this product is so offensive to some. I’ll never need a Mac Pro or an iMac Pro but I’m not offended that those products exist. Why are some offended that the iPad Pro exists or that Apple calls it a computer?

Because it’s like the movie “Good Will Hunting”. Lots of potential, all of it wasted chasing the low bar standard... Until the owner of that amazing brain decides that it’s time to use that potential for something more useful.
 
The Definitive Definition of a Computer: An electronic device capable of easily finding and viewing porn.

Oh, so I guess it is a computer!
 
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