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I went with a 256 GB XS Max and couldn't be happier coming from a 256GB X.

I went with the same from a 128gb SE and while the SE was fast, i'm extremely happy with the performance of such a large phone with that screen on IOS 12 it for me will be more than enough future proof to last the next 2-3 years. I'm extremely happy i bought the Max
 
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What % qualifies as all screen to you? I have another question, if we’re going to compare to comparable priced phones, how much does camera and cpu/gpu play into value? Because Apple holds a significant lead in hardware performance and the camera is also up there, all which are in the XR.

I also posted this picture in another bezel thread:

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3.9%. Again, splitting hairs at something in a whole different price range.

At least 80% ;)
 
What % qualifies as all screen to you? I have another question, if we’re going to compare to comparable priced phones, how much does camera and cpu/gpu play into value? Because Apple holds a significant lead in hardware performance and the camera is also up there, all which are in the XR.

I also posted this picture in another bezel thread:

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3.9%. Again, splitting hairs at something in a whole different price range.

Thanks for the pic. Frankly, I think the bezels look good on the XR. More like a frame around a picture. And if you don't feel the same as me, let's not forget that you can put the phone into dark mode on a lot of apps and use a dark wallpaper and the bezels will largely blend away.
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I love my iPhone X and was fully prepared to upgrade to the XS Max when my 12-month upgrade option comes up in January. I'm now seriously considering the XR -- I love the colors and size, and it sports everything I value in a phone and at a smaller cost. If I look at it on paper, I still want the XS. When I look at it practically with how I use my current iPhone X, the XR more than meets my requirements.

If you aren't sure you are getting the Max now, I'm going to predict that in January as excitement wears down, you will be getting the XR and pocketing the $450 price difference.
 
The XR does make me ponder if I made the right decision with the XS Max, since it offers so much of the experience for much less, not to mention better battery life. However, I always do want the best, so I can see myself being more regretful if I got the XR over the Max. The Max gives me:
  • OLED (and yes, I do notice a big difference in the contrast/blacks.)
  • Stainless steel
  • Smaller bezels
  • Larger display
  • 3D Touch
  • Better portrait (besides low light)
  • 2x zoom
  • More RAM
  • Higher resolution
I would definitely miss these features and am glad to have them. Battery life is already incredible on the Max for me, but that’s really the only thing I’m envious of from the XR. I definitely wouldn’t want to step down to a smaller display, larger bezels, lower contrast and PPI screen, and no 3D Touch just for battery life and some cost savings. My plan is to keep this Max for 3 years minimum anyways, so might as well have the best.
 
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Last year the 8 launched first, not all devious. FWIW I would still buy a Max over a XR even if the Max came later.

Good point. Maybe they figured out the right way is to sell the most expensive one first.
 
The XR has bezels. Larger ones than any phone for the same price, and many cheaper ones. That's all.

But maybe Phil has decided that 79% is "full screen enough" and people can't notice the massive black borders.
“massive black borders” LMAO!! They’re massive!! MASSIVE!! Look everyone at how massive these bezels are! You can barely see the tiny screen in the middle of that massive field of black! How dare they call it a full-screen device?!?!...

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Hey, if your two hot button issues are cheapness and 79%, spare is the histrionics and go have fun with an Android-running iPhone knockoff with 84%. That’ll be one more (sold out) XR available to the rest of us.
 
Thanks for the pic. Frankly, I think the bezels look good on the XR. More like a frame around a picture. And if you don't feel the same as me, let's not forget that you can put the phone into dark mode on a lot of apps and use a dark wallpaper and the bezels will largely blend away.

It’ll probably look a little more seamless with the black colorway as well. But at these ratios and screen sizes I doubt anyone will be focusing on the bezels once they’re actual using the device. If you are, then you have bigger issues to deal with.
 
Nice move, Apple. Effectively changing the meaning of words in the span of little over one year.
The iPhone 8/8 Plus was affordable at $699/$799, but the XR at $749 isn’t?
People who know how eyesight works don't care but precisely the average consumer does care because they are clueless and all they can compare is specs – number of pixels, cores, gigabytes RAM etc.

While geeks who hang out on tech forums have fun comparing and analyzing specs, most users don’t. Even so, many, many tech-savvy customers will buy the XR, precisely because they know 828 vs. 1080 lines of vertical resolution is not a meaningful difference. The 6/6S/7/8 have 750p displays and are well known to be of extremely good quality.
 
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Similar thoughts about the Xr crossed my mind, not liking the OLED display in my X at all.

But I'd really miss the 2nd camera on the back. Not an option I use very often, but am glad it's there.

In the last year besides portrait mode I think I've only used the 2X zoom maybe 10 times. Let's just say 20 times. I never take pics of things far away unless I'm doing a wide scenery shot to begin with. So the zoom isn't really important for my needs. It's cool to have but not worth the $250 to me even combined with the OLED. I'm far more interested in single camera Portrait mode/wide angle portrait mode. I'm disappointed it won't work for my dog though. I've got some great portrait shots of her on my X. But my wife is getting my X so it's not like it will be out of my life. I'll just borrow it from her for dog pics.
 
Is the human-only portrait mode option on the XR a software or hardware limitation. I use portrait mode on my dogs all the time, and that's the only reservation I have about going with the XR. I'm just wondering if Apple could open it up for objects with a software update.
 
And here I am, happy with my iPhone 6s Plus. If it lasts long enough, I’ll hold out until Bluetooth headphones have sound quality that rivals wired and for the micro-LED displays.
You are wasting your lifetime...
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Is the human-only portrait mode option on the XR a software or hardware limitation. I use portrait mode on my dogs all the time, and that's the only reservation I have about going with the XR. I'm just wondering if Apple could open it up for objects with a software update.
Sure can they, but they won’t. Something has to be left for the XS buyers
 
Well, technically speaking, camera is a downgrade indeed. It’s a single lens that can work in portrait mode only on people (that has been pointed out in reviews). Also, no optical zoom either and the digital zoom is reduced due to that as well. It’s partially better due to Smart HDR that the A12 has, but that’s only software.
However, if you’re ok with that and the screen is no big issue either, more power to you. The Xr is supposed to have a great battery life.

The wide angle Camera on the Xr, Xs, Xs Max is a physical upgrade over the X's camera, so it's NOT just software and the Smart HDR didn't come to the X so even that is a "upgrade" since I can't get it on my current phone.

Optical zoom is moot to me as I said above this reply and yes I'll miss portrait mode for taking pics of my dog. But I'm also REALLY good with Photoshop and Snapseed and the X is going to my wife, so it's not like it's out of my reach. I also own 2 DSLR cameras that can do the job better if I REALLY wanted "DSLR quality" photos.

The screen shouldn't be an issue to anyone that lives in reality over paper specs. I would bet 90% of people wouldn't even know the difference if the phones were side by side and of the 10% that do notice the remaining 80% of those people wouldn't care. I'm of the 80% that doesn't care. I know for a fact my wife wouldn't see the difference if the X and the Xr were side by side until I pointed out the black levels. She can't even see a difference between the 1st gen iPad mini screen and my 4th Gen. And there was a huge jump between those two devices.
 
I don’t know, but I feel like Apple will sell a lot of these. I have a friend who has an X and she asked me about getting an Xr. She’s not very tech savvy, so I had to tell her that for her it would be a downgrade, but she seemed very fascinated with the red Xr lol
For many average people who are not tech savvy this phone will be perfect.

An X to an Xr is probably an upgrade for most people. I would easily take the Xr over the X for my needs. I don’t know what your friend’s situation is, but the Xr’s size, faster processor, and better camera lens/sensor make it a pretty compelling upgrade, IMO.
 
The XR's biggest trick is making people forget the meaning of words.

First it was "affordable", then "flagship".

Next up is "full-screen"?

The XR has a 79% screen to body ratio. That's still less than Samsung 9, OnePlus 6, LQ V40 phones all with 84% screen to body (and OLED screens).
79, 84...is that really much different? It's 5-6% more screen ratio. Could your eye even see that? The answer is no. In fact, I'd bet in a group of 100 people, over 50 would say the XR has more screen because it doesn't have a chin or forehead.

Furthermore, those phones run Android and iPhone is still largely about iOS.

Phones have not become commodities because the software, support, and security are so important. Look how much competition Apple has and yet they sell more iPhones for higher prices every year (besides the large screen pent up demand 2014 year).
 
I'm looking at the XR as an upgrade from the SE (which is essentially a 6S in 5's clothing).

My only concern is the Lightning port.

I'm onto my second SE in two years... first one's battery failed after exactly one year. Second one is again giving my grief after exactly a year. Both exhibiting the same problem — trouble keeping an electrical/power connection at the Lightning port. I'm constantly finding that I need to wiggle the cable to get a connection.

I haven't read many reports of this issue, and I'm hoping it's limited to the port used on the SE.

I don't want to pay the "tax" of upgrading to another phone only to have the same problem again after a year when my current phone works perfectly except for this one issue.

You probably have lint in there. Clean it with a straightened paperclip and you’ll be amazed.
 
It’s like comparing a top of the line Toyota Camry to a low end Lexus
They’re both good. They share certain features they’re both made solidly. Its a buyers choice about $$$$ and do they want or need the extra features. also do they have the money
But one thing to remember. There are a lot more deals around from Carriers and stores this year. You might be able to get a Xs or XS Max for the same price as the Xr if you shop around
 
The wide angle Camera on the Xr, Xs, Xs Max is a physical upgrade over the X's camera, so it's NOT just software and the Smart HDR didn't come to the X so even that is a "upgrade" since I can't get it on my current phone.

Optical zoom is moot to me as I said above this reply and yes I'll miss portrait mode for taking pics of my dog. But I'm also REALLY good with Photoshop and Snapseed and the X is going to my wife, so it's not like it's out of my reach. I also own 2 DSLR cameras that can do the job better if I REALLY wanted "DSLR quality" photos.

The screen shouldn't be an issue to anyone that lives in reality over paper specs. I would bet 90% of people wouldn't even know the difference if the phones were side by side and of the 10% that do notice the remaining 80% of those people wouldn't care. I'm of the 80% that doesn't care. I know for a fact my wife wouldn't see the difference if the X and the Xr were side by side until I pointed out the black levels. She can't even see a difference between the 1st gen iPad mini screen and my 4th Gen. And there was a huge jump between those two devices.
Smart HDR is implemented via software and I pointed it out in my post. Yes, the sensor is different in the Xr camera, but that would give an edge over the X camera in low light only. There are many trade-offs in the Xr camera to call it an upgrade.
 
Is the human-only portrait mode option on the XR a software or hardware limitation. I use portrait mode on my dogs all the time, and that's the only reservation I have about going with the XR. I'm just wondering if Apple could open it up for objects with a software update.

Since the portrait mode in the XR is done with software to compensate for the lack of hardware, it is both. The depth calculations using two cameras in the XS allows portrait mode to distinguish between the item that is the focal point and the background that gets blurred out. But with one camera, the XR needs to use software to recognize the human face and then from there it uses software to figure out what the outline of that face and the rest of the person are. It can't see the depth with only one camera, so it has to figure it out with software

Now I bet, with a lot of effort, Apple could teach the software to recognize a dog's face and then do its thing. It would be something like "dog portrait mode". But theoretically the challenge is the same: recognize that a dog is focal point, then figure out where the outlines of its body are, blur the rest as background. But the effort to program in something like this seems significant to me. So I wouldn't expect this.

No idea if Apple can ever get this feature to work on inanimate objects of all sorts with only one camera.
 
Can you swipe up to unlock and invoke Control Center/Notification Center without changing ones grip between? If not, then it is not a one-handed phone. I’m not being facetious, this is a genuine requirement for me. Or maybe I just have to learn a new grip idk.

I can do it. I can even do it on my 7 Plus and I don’t have the biggest hands. Now I’ll admit that I sometimes get cramps after using the 7 Plus one handed too much. The iPhone X on the other hand was as comfortable as the non Plus phones whenever I’ve had one in my hand. Everyone’s hands are different though so I probably shouldn’t generalize.
 
Smart HDR is implemented via software and I pointed it out in my post. Yes, the sensor is different in the Xr camera, but that would give an edge over the X camera in low light only. There are many trade-offs in the Xr camera to call it an upgrade.
Better low light on the main wide angle camera is an upgrade. I’m not sure why there is an argument there.

The only reason that actually matters with the 2nd lens is portrait mode; which they found another way to do and it’s a better quality picture on the XR for portrait shots because it’s not shooting on the 2X Sensor. The only “caveat” is no portrait on non-humans and that’s something they could actually do with software. Pixel does it already so it’s not the camera, it’s Apple’s programming.

So the only actual camera “loss” on the Xr is the 2x Zoom otherwise the camera IS an upgrade.

Zooming 2X means nothing to me especially with the noisy sensor they put on that lens.

Also Stage lighting is a gimmick I can recreate using Snapseed and also just “software based”. So that’s not a downgrade as it is just a lame feature being removed for the sake of removing it.
 
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