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It’s funny.

Before, it felt like the Xr existed to push users to the XS Max.

Now, it seems like the XS Max exists to push users to the Xr!
 
My situation is this.
I have a 6s (like many it looks) and am happy with it. I got it second hand like new, almost unused for 450€ three years ago.
The new X iPhones are very interesting but all too expensive for me. I would spend up to 500€ for one.
Apples answer is an iPhone 7 or 8 for my price range but I’m not interested in those as my 6s covers those phones features mostly. Also I want to keep Touch ID.
Apple doesn’t pick me up here.
I think I’m not alone in this situation.
And no I’m not interested in anything android.
I’ll probably have to buy a used X in a year or two.
It sounds like you’re saying that, because of TouchID, you wouldn’t want one of the new full-screen iPhones even if you could afford them. Not much anyone can do about that. FaceID is the thing now. For my part, I prefer smaller phones (the 4 was perfect) but I’ve been left behind too.
 
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It sounds like you’re saying that, because of TouchID, you wouldn’t want one of the new full-screen iPhones even if you could afford them. Not much anyone can do about that. FaceID is the thing now. For my part, I prefer smaller phones (the 4 was perfect) but I’ve been left behind too.

The XR's biggest trick is making people forget the meaning of words.

First it was "affordable", then "flagship".

Next up is "full-screen"?

The XR has a 79% screen to body ratio. That's still less than Samsung 9, OnePlus 6, LQ V40 phones all with 84% screen to body (and OLED screens).
 
I purchased the XS to replace a 7 and it is a great upgrade. I would have considered the XR, but it is simply too big for every day use. The X is already borderline to handle. An XR in the size of a 6/7 would have been the perfect choice for me.
 
IT IS NOT EVEN 1080p...im really confused....

There is a good reason for this, and this is explained by John Gruber of DaringFireball, in his extensive review:

"What’s interesting, though, is how this size difference manifests in software. The XS and XS Max displays have way more pixels than the XR, but from a developer standpoint, the XR is not a new size. Developers (mostly) deal in points, not pixels. In the old pre-retina days, points and pixels were interchangeable — there was one on-screen pixel for each virtual point in the user interface. With a 2x retina display, like the iPhone XR, there are 2 display pixels in each dimension for every point, so a point, on screen, is represented by a 2 × 2 matrix of 4 pixels. On a 3x retina display, like the XS and XS Max, each point is a 3 × 3 matrix of 9 pixels.

But the points are what correspond to the physical real-world size of on-screen buttons and text. In terms of points, the iPhone XR offers two display modes: standard and zoomed. You choose between these modes during initial setup, and you can subsequently switch between them in the Settings app. Standard mode is 896 × 414 points; zoomed is 812 × 375 points. These are the exact same as the standard and zoomed display modes on the XS Max. The iPhone XS only has one display mode: 812 × 375 points.

Effectively, this means that the iPhone XR is more like a smaller XS Max than it is a larger iPhone XS. And the difference between standard and zoomed modes on the iPhone XR is far more subtle than it is on the XS Max, because in both cases, zoomed is using the virtual screen of the iPhone XS (812 × 375 points). On the XR’s 6.06-inch display, that’s only a little bit scaled up from the iPhone XS’s 5.85-inch display. On the XS Max’s 6.46-inch display, that’s scaled up quite a bit."

In that sense, 1920-by-1080 is an arbitrary size, while the XR's 1792-by-828 size is not arbitrary: it is precisely calculated for ease of scaling the UI exactly 2x.
 
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The XR reviewers were surprisingly subdued after all of the previous cautions to wait for it...

XS reviews: Most people should wait for the XR.
XR reviews: It's not really that much cheaper, so maybe get the XS.

Thanks guys. Thanks a lot.

$800 for the 128 gb (in my opinion the "sweet spot") or $1250 for 256 gb. Yeah, that's an apple watch worth of difference.
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Well, technically speaking, camera is a downgrade indeed. It’s a single lens that can work in portrait mode only on people (that has been pointed out in reviews). Also, no optical zoom either and the digital zoom is reduced due to that as well. It’s partially better due to Smart HDR that the A12 has, but that’s only software.
However, if you’re ok with that and the screen is no big issue either, more power to you. The Xr is supposed to have a great battery life.

There have already been examples where, since you can't control which lense you use in some situations (Huawei can I think, but it's the only one I know of) the XR can sometimes take better shots than the XS, especially at night, due to the wide angle lens allowing more light in, as opposed to the dual camera setup. Also, at 12 MP, unless you're blowing it up poster size, you can just crop the image of the wide angle to match the regular lens of the two camera setup in most circumstances, and won't see much, if any, difference.
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I don’t know, but I feel like Apple will sell a lot of these. I have a friend who has an X and she asked me about getting an Xr. She’s not very tech savvy, so I had to tell her that for her it would be a downgrade, but she seemed very fascinated with the red Xr lol
For many average people who are not tech savvy this phone will be perfect.

For many people that are tech saavy it's still an upgrade. I love tech, and I pour over specs of phones and other tech more than I should. In the end this is in fact the best "bang for the buck" if you want a newer iPhone. I can buy this phone and a new Apple Watch 4 (non-LTE, something I never used when I had the option), for the same price as a 256 gb XS Max, and have very few downsides. I don't use zoom that often, and I don't have superhuman vision. I currently have a phone with an OLED screen, and when my wife had the 7+ I honestly couldn't tell much difference at all. It's a phone, something I'll keep between 1-3 years. It isn't an investment, it isn't a computer (though it has computer power admittedly), so why am I going to shell out $1250 for a 256 gb XS Max—like my wife has, and $200 for Apple Care, for a 6.5" screen. I can almost buy an iPad Pro with the difference, or the majority of a decent 4K tv for the difference, and get that beautiful red color.
 
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And here I am, happy with my iPhone 6s Plus. If it lasts long enough, I’ll hold out until Bluetooth headphones have sound quality that rivals wired and for the micro-LED displays.
Try a new phone for a week and you will wonder what the hell your brain was thinking..
 
Try a new phone for a week and you will wonder what the hell your brain was thinking..

A9+2GB is a supremely nice combo and the baseline for “fast”.
6S and SE with iOS12 are awesome smartphones to be honest.
Coming from an 8+ and X user.
 



Reviews for the iPhone XR went live this morning ahead of Friday's launch, and in a press release in the Apple Newsroom, Apple has highlighted reviews from several members of the media who were able to spend some time with the new iPhones.

Apple shared key passages from sites that include Digital Trends, Daring Fireball, Tom's Guide, Mashable, Engadget, The Verge, TechCrunch, CNN, Best Products, Techradar, and more.

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Mashable, for example, called the iPhone XR the "Goldilocks of iPhones" with its large screen size, affordable price tag, "fantastic" cameras, and future-proof power in the form of the A12 Bionic chip.

Daring Fireball said that the iPhone XR is the best Apple's ever made "dollar for dollar," while TechCrunch compared the device to "a piece of nicely crafted jewelry" with a "depth and sparkle" unmatched by other iPhones.

CNN praised the impressive Portrait Mode shots the camera is able to capture, The Verge lauded the work Apple did to make the rounded corners of the LCD match the corners of the device, and Digital Trends called the iPhone XR "the iPhone to buy."

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Apple focused on sharing positive elements of the iPhone XR reviews, but for the most part, reviews were positive due to the iPhone XR's affordable price tag and high-end components.

The biggest difference between the XR and the XS is the LCD display over the OLED display, and reviewers thought the iPhone XR's display was one of the best LCD displays and while not as good as the OLED, it's not noticeable as long as you're not holding the two devices next to one another.

Apple's full list of review selections can be seen in the article shared via the Apple Newsroom, while additional reviews can be found in our own review roundup.

The first iPhone XR pre-orders will arrive starting on Friday, October 26, the launch date for Apple's newest flagship device.

Article Link: Apple Highlights iPhone XR Reviews
[doublepost=1540383921][/doublepost]The current problem with Apple's iPhone product line is EVERY ONE of them are freaking gigantic, one larger than the next. I'm done with this stupidity and will continue using an existing iPhone 7 until it dies. "Smartphones" were originally conceived to be mobile devices you carry in your pocket. I want to know who has pockets large enough to carry these new gigantor devices and still be able to sit down. In both size & weight, these new iPhones are like carrying a small laptop.
Apple should build a bezel-less version of the SE or iPhone 7 as an option for those of us with normal pockets.
 
People keep talking about the $250 price difference. But, as Gruber and others have pointed out, if 64GB is too small for you (which is clearly the case for many people), and you have to step up to the next storage level, the price difference is actually $350.
 
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I don't care about the display coming from a iPhone 7. Also 64gb would be enough to manage (cloud storage) and XR looks like the obvious choice to me. However the screen is somehow way too big for me, personally I prefer smaller devices like my current one. Taking a XS over a XR would only be an option if the camera software is nowhere near as good as the hardware (double lenses) but I doubt it will be a huge difference, keen on reviews.
 
I love my iPhone X and was fully prepared to upgrade to the XS Max when my 12-month upgrade option comes up in January. I'm now seriously considering the XR -- I love the colors and size, and it sports everything I value in a phone and at a smaller cost. If I look at it on paper, I still want the XS. When I look at it practically with how I use my current iPhone X, the XR more than meets my requirements.
 
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It sounds like you’re saying that, because of TouchID, you wouldn’t want one of the new full-screen iPhones even if you could afford them. Not much anyone can do about that. FaceID is the thing now. For my part, I prefer smaller phones (the 4 was perfect) but I’ve been left behind too.
My mistake, I mean 3D Touch not Touch ID.
 
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If you’re like 99% of the other people who have intermittent Lightning connection issues, your problem is pocket lint getting down into the jack, preventing the plug from seating properly. Apple will clean it out for you, or you can do it yourself with a non-conductive implement like a toothpick. Be sure to get all of it, it can be packed in there very tight!
Yep, I was a newb when this happened to me. Made an appointment with the Apple store and everything. Then the employee just whipped out a small rod and scraped out this huge wad of lint.
Kind of embarrassing...
 
Anybody who went from 7plus to XR, care to share the display, camera and battery life comparison?
 
The XR's biggest trick is making people forget the meaning of words.

First it was "affordable", then "flagship".

Next up is "full-screen"?

The XR has a 79% screen to body ratio. That's still less than Samsung 9, OnePlus 6, LQ V40 phones all with 84% screen to body (and OLED screens).
I don’t understand how what you’re saying pertains to what we’re saying. Please tie your comment back to the op’s comment.

As to what you’re saying, “full screen” is a term meant to distinguish between phones that have bezels (like the iPhone 7 & 8) from those that don’t (like the iPhone XR, Xs, and Xs Max). II cant not know this, but you’re ignoring the purpose of the term and using the “screen to body ratio” (boy we do love spec wars, don’t we?) to decide if a phone is full screen enough to satisfy you. If only the XR had five hundredths more screen ratio it would tie hose other phones in screeniness!

Silly.
 
I don’t understand how what you’re saying pertains to what we’re saying. Please tie your comment back to the op’s comment.

As to what you’re saying, “full screen” is a term meant to distinguish between phones that have bezels (like the iPhone 7 & 8) from those that don’t (like the iPhone XR, Xs, and Xs Max). II cant not know this, but you’re ignoring the purpose of the term and using the “screen to body ratio” (boy we do love spec wars, don’t we?) to decide if a phone is full screen enough to satisfy you. If only the XR had five hundredths more screen ratio it would tie hose other phones in screeniness!

Silly.

The XR has bezels. Larger ones than any phone for the same price, and many cheaper ones. That's all.

But maybe Phil has decided that 79% is "full screen enough" and people can't notice the massive black borders.
 
The XR's biggest trick is making people forget the meaning of words.

First it was "affordable", then "flagship".

Next up is "full-screen"?

The XR has a 79% screen to body ratio. That's still less than Samsung 9, OnePlus 6, LQ V40 phones all with 84% screen to body (and OLED screens).

And the XS is 82.9%. That splitting hairs. It’s actually pretty impressive Apple came that close with an LCD screen. As for the price comparison that’s apples and oranges. iPhones are always priced higher if you break down features/specs. There are great Chinese phones for much cheaper prices than Samsung, LG, OnePlus, etc... but those aren’t for iOS customers. Apple pricing is based in their own lineup, and the XR is the same as it’s predecessor, the Plus.
 
And the XS is 82.9%. That splitting hairs. It’s actually pretty impressive Apple came that close with an LCD screen. As for the price comparison that’s apples and oranges. iPhones are always priced higher if you break down features/specs. There are great Chinese phones for much cheaper prices than Samsung, LG, OnePlus, etc... but those aren’t for iOS customers. Apple pricing is based in their own lineup, and the XR is the same as it’s predecessor, the Plus.

I find it disingenuous for Apple to market a 79% screen to body ratio as "All-screen"
 
I find it disingenuous for Apple to market a 79% screen to body ratio as "All-screen"

What % qualifies as all screen to you? I have another question, if we’re going to compare to comparable priced phones, how much does camera and cpu/gpu play into value? Because Apple holds a significant lead in hardware performance and the camera is also up there, all which are in the XR.

I also posted this picture in another bezel thread:

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3.9%. Again, splitting hairs at something in a whole different price range.
 
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