Your refusal to engage with reality outside of your limited personal experience does indeed make it appear that you, personally, could be in the twilight zone.
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Apple Highlights Women's Health Study Data to Help 'Destigmatize Menstruation'
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You are really reprehensible in your responses, and always shying away from the subject so you can get personal jabs in. It's all 'so obvious' and always a subject where 'it's not my place' to form an opinion yet... you can't even form words to respond to my direct, rather simple questions. It shows just how tolerant a person you really are, despite wanting to win the empathy award from strangers - an effort that you will never find rewarding or fulfilling (and yes, I've 'ironically' formalized an opinion of who you are, based on your inability to actually have a discussion, but only because it's come to this point)
Now I'm done.
Also - you seem to ostensibly fall in the Peter Pan age demographic that seems baffled people poop regularly, so go ahead and give 'Everyone Poops' a read. Because I, too, poop.
Friendly reminder this started with you deigning to “have to explain” a situation you both have no real personal experience with and, as we later learned, you completely misunderstood
There hasn't been a single friendly post from you on this subject in this thread, but please, don't let me get in the way of your truth.
You purport to have all the answers and moral superiority, and when I actively encourage you to elaborate, you fall back on personal attacks and condescension and essentially summarize that I wouldn’t or could not understand, without providing anything to even understand in the first place. You're in an outrage boot loop and can't say I'm surprised! Don’t worry it’ll pass the next time some new outrage cycle gets broadcasted from the usual channels and you soak it up
hold tight if you aren’t finding this rewarding! More outrage is on the way and being crafted as we speak!
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And yet girls in Africa, India, and many other regions leave school often as soon as they begin to menstruate.
Well that aint right,
a biological cycle that has essentially been summarized as 'plaguing' women since the dawn of the existence of women from a certain age onwards, has now reached peak 'stigmatization' phase. GASP
So much so, we must look to other continents and countries in the world as evidence of its frequent occurrence.
Not to worry- help from the American taxpayer is on the way!
Chauvinistic male pigs must be taught a financial lesson. Better yet, to repent for their sins of existing and being born into a gender they had no say in prior to existing, I would recommend castration for all. Even then though, that will not be enough to serve as reparations.
If they don't like to observe blood in public from strangers, we must gouge their eyeballs! If their brains still produce these negative judging thoughts, then we need formal re-educating at that point.
HOORAH
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I haven’t purported to have anything, I’ve merely pointed out the flaws in your many long-winded, I’ll-informed arguments. That it continues to send you into a tizzy is your responsibility to deal with, not mine.
It’s wildly inaccurate to suggest that breastfeeding and sexual relationships (or mestruation) are widely accepted. Natural? Of course. But natural has nothing to do with whether something is accepted.
Menstruation is stigmatized in cultures across the globe. Even in places where it’s not directly stigmatized, misinformation or lack of information abound.
Here’s a fairly broad piece on the taboo in cultures around the world: https://flo.health/menstrual-cycle/health/period/menstruation-taboos
But, here’s good reading on specific efforts to end the taboo of menstruation in India: https://homegrown.co.in/article/428...ndias-menstruation-taboo-one-stigma-at-a-time
But as the piece about India suggests, people are changing their approach to menstruation. Here’s a bit about Scotland being the first country to provide menstrual products (tampons and pads) free-of-charge: https://www.webmd.com/women/news/20201125/scotland-will-supply-period-products-for-free
More information, from and to more people, is 100% a good thing.
Here’s a fairly broad piece on the taboo in cultures around the world: https://flo.health/menstrual-cycle/health/period/menstruation-taboos
But, here’s good reading on specific efforts to end the taboo of menstruation in India: https://homegrown.co.in/article/428...ndias-menstruation-taboo-one-stigma-at-a-time
But as the piece about India suggests, people are changing their approach to menstruation. Here’s a bit about Scotland being the first country to provide menstrual products (tampons and pads) free-of-charge: https://www.webmd.com/women/news/20201125/scotland-will-supply-period-products-for-free
More information, from and to more people, is 100% a good thing.
Thank you! I don't know how I missed this ability, I use my watch apps in list view as it is!
If you’re genuinely curious, may I suggest you read a bit on the topic? Maybe these can get you started.
The bloody truth about getting your period in America
Menstruation remains one of the most taboo topics in the world – and millions of women pay the pricewww.cbsnews.com
U.S. women push back against stigma, cost of menstruation
Sixteen-year-old Emma Joy and her younger sister Quinn recently spent an evening stuffing bags with a full year's supply of tampons or sanitary pads for women who often miss work or school because they cannot afford menstrual products.www.reuters.com
Time to see what happens when rubber meets the road.
Go door to door, and say to parents 'Hello! I know I don't have to cite webMD, CBS News, or Reuters, as I'm sure you're already WELL AWARE of the pervasive stigmatization of your daughters' menstruation that has been crippled society for some time now as well as stifled their personal growth, what I'm here to do today, and ask for humbly at your doorstep, is ask What are we going to do about it?'
I'd be curious of your findings
Also- bonus points for educating them that their daughters can keep track of menstrual cycle data from Apple, to de-stigmatize, all from their phone, as well -- depending on their vibe. See how well it goes over! I'm sure they'll clamor to the cause immediately
( could do the same procedure for single female residents, doesn't just have to be parents!)
Absolute best case, optimistic scenario - I would conjecture that they will tell you to take a hike
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Pray tell, what are the acceptable research studies that we might be allowed to pursue? I will appreciate your list of topics that you deem legitimate of study, a threat to sufficient numbers to warrant study, and whose results will not seem somehow offensive to your concept of what ills our societies might improve.
Why would I ever say that? “Crippling society” is such useless hyperbole.
But I’ll tell you this: My daughter is 9 and I’ve already talked with her about menstruation, as has her mother. She knows about diva cups and how to use proper terms. She knows this isn’t the “blue fluid” on tv which made me think maxi pads were so women could pee themselves. She knows that people might make jokes about her period and that those people don’t deserve her attention. She’s also growing up in a house that can provide her every possible support she needs.
My son is 6 and knows these things too and hasn’t once complained that we spend time talking about menstruation. He’s mature enough to grasp that it’s ok for people to talk about things even if it’s not always the biggest issue to you.
To be blunt, the “outrage” I’m seeing in this thread is coming from you. And to be honest, I think your deep concerns with Apple releasing information that you don’t seem to care about and certainly don’t to read actually points to a serious discomfort you have with the topic.
Being unwilling to even consider research on a topic, when that topic is a natural event experienced by most people who have ever lived, is certainly in the territory of decrying that topic taboo...perhaps even stigmatizing it.
Why can’t you educate yourself though? Why do you have to shift the effort to someone else?
Whatever-- do the same act door to door without the 'hyperbole.' I maintain you will get a less than lukewarm response.
I think part of the problem is, we're not all on the same page with with what this supposedly serves to address. The original post that is.
The subject of 'menstruation' is a matter of parenting which I've never said isn't. Teach your kids how to use tampons, and all that stuff like their biology... But that's ultimately a matter of parenting. Not big tech. And not a larger 'societal problem' that needs collective addressing.
Now onto the REAL subject, which is about 'prevalence of stigmatization and subsequent DE-stigmatization of menstruation', and entirely different- that's where things get interesting.
By merely having the opinion big tech shouldn't exert itself on such a delicate and personal matter, and create victimization complexes that aren't there, I am the 'big bad wolf.'
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And it's not 'stigmatization' of menstruation, in society, that needs to be addressed - that is downright patently absurd. You realize this is generally used as a euphemistic way to demonize the opposite gender, do you not?
Do you also realize girls pick on girls and guys with guys? You will be unable to protect your child from every instance of opposition, struggle, or obstacle in life and the world? Physically impossible. Such a task is futile, and without challenge there will be no growth. I'm not encouraging bullying, that's different, but this 'stigmatization of menstruation' as some mainstream concern (which people have to dig up some publications as evidence that it is reality) is catering to a toxic self defeating culture of victimization and its exhausted its limits from my perspective.
I ask all of this rhetorically, you don't have to respond and I wouldn't be owed one either.
If a male child laughs at a girl bleeding in grade school (which is wrong), or is abjectly grossed out (which comes with maturity to not be overtly insensitive at least, to just turn away without saying something), should we cancel them for the rest of their life too, where they can't continue to pursue education and get a job to support themselves when they get older?
When does the madness stop?
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Not really a topic I was expecting to see on a tech rumor website. Still struggling as to why this would even be brought up on Macrumors.
I know from talking to my partner that menstruation is something that can have a stigma attached to it – even in modern, Western, First World societies. One example: it's a topic that some employees would find difficult to talk about with their employer as a reason for not being able to work effectively on certain days.
From the opinions shared here, I'm surmising a good number of them are written by males who just have no clue… which to an extent is understandable or at least explainable. But the utter lack of self-awareness, and realisation, that there are things one needs to educate themselves about… is astounding.
(Edited to remove a stray ‘some’ in final paragraph.)
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so you're just like that other person, saying that we cannot possibly understand because of our gender. Not just the feeling itself of menstruating (which is true, those that cannot experience it cannot feel it. Seems logical)-- It's also beyond the bounds of being able to comprehend the simple concept that women menstruate monthly, etc., and in the worst situations, can be embarrassing and perceived as gross if publicly displayed. And adolescents might not be as sensitive as adults about it.
...That's very narrow minded.
Also- I got *another* example: "it's a topic that some employees would find difficult to talk about with their employer as a reason for not being able to work effectively on certain days."
Explosive diarrhea.
It's called 'too much info' and not for the employer to know and not their business, unless they require a doctor's note (I think most operate on the honor system unless its too frequently exercised). You just say you aren't feeling well. Employers acknowledge the workplace compromises of at least two genders, and management often has women too, you aren't oppressed by the workforce for your biological cycle.. and you aren't a victim. Sigh.
Hypothetically- if you have a female boss and you feel comfortable enough and in enough of a disclosure mentality to tell her its your period today, she'll either understand and say take the day off, or she'll say ' so what? I work through periods.' That then wouldn't be sexist, because it's coming from a woman who goes through the same thing.
Then again most people are still working from home, and learning from home, if they're lucky to still be working or have homeschooling / some form of online education, so the point of 'public shame' as a possibility has diminished even more.
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For such a widespread, all-consuming issue of “menstruation stigma,” you guys can’t seem to pull up -any- piece of evidence supporting your ludicrous claims. Go ahead and educate us, my dude.
What do I need to educate myself about? I asked an honest question as Apple's statement was vague as to the exact meaning. You don't know the exact meaning anymore than I do so, don't try and castigate me for my simple question.
If some ladies here in the U.S. are embarrassed about telling their employer they can't come to work due to having a menstruation problem, that is on them. In my opinion, a lady shouldn't be embarrassed about the natural functions of her body. And as a follow-up to that thought, no employer should give said lady any grief about such a problem.
In regards to the rest of the world, I have seen by some here it is a problem for ladies. Hopefully, that will change.
Articles have been posted here that define the stigma. Therefore, your statement that nobody seems able to define them is incorrect.
You appear to be quite a fashionable person; congratulations!
A handful of detailed articles on the subject have been linked. Have you read them? If so, what are your thoughts? To say that no evidence has been given is an inaccurate assessment of the discussion.
Someone just regurgitated article URLs and spent half a second googling menstruation stigma
i love how the only qualification for something to be true and a pervasive issue in society is an article has to be written about it. Low threshold but hey perfect for satisfying the target audience
it’s so obvious they can’t articulate it themselves.
wonderful clarification much appreciated. I feel like I get it now. Notwithstanding being male makes me inherently unable to grasp that women menstruate and sometimes it’s in an embarassing situation. Too dense for me.
It’s very simple: a stigma exists around menstruation whether you are personally aware of it or not. If you want to know more about it, do some basic research on the subject. If you don’t want to know more about it, don’t do the research.
But claiming that it doesn’t exist without doing any research, treating your personal opinion, based on your limited personal experience, as fact is preposterous.
This story is about the existence of a stigma around menstruation. If YOU want to deny it exists, it’s up to YOU to provide the sources to back up YOUR claim. Not the other way around.
But claiming that it doesn’t exist without doing any research, treating your personal opinion, based on your limited personal experience, as fact is preposterous.
This story is about the existence of a stigma around menstruation. If YOU want to deny it exists, it’s up to YOU to provide the sources to back up YOUR claim. Not the other way around.