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Any excuse Apple, your ways are becoming tiresome. time to leave the apple eco system behind I think, especially after your new Macbook pro offering (Pro? what a joke!)
 
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We still don't know what 'leaving' is going to give us so regardless of intellect it is and was the unknown. Nothing about it suggests it was based on an informed understanding.

I know a few people who voted leave and beyond saying 'I think we'll be better off', they can't actually explain the proven benefits of allowing the conservative government negotiate our future.

Seemed pretty clear today what we will get, or we will walk away from the EU. And I think you'll find plenty of leave voters made very informed decisions... please don't belittle over 17 million Brits eh ;) because that's the remoaners line the media constantly portray's...
 
Oh dear oh dear, how enclosed and clueless are you? So according to you, the Police, Armed Forces, Ambulance and Paramedic services, Council services like rubbish collections and road maintenance, Fire services etc etc etc etc etc are a valid argument because they are 'mostly used by the poorest people'????
Well, that's stating the blindingly obvious isn't it because the majority of the UK population don't have a personal net worth of several million! And these services are used BY EVERYONE NO MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE! Their isn't some special exclusive rich people's ambulance or fire or Police service! So your argument is totally flawed on that one statement alone.
When I referred to public services I made a typo. It should have said Social Services. Apart from that the argument is good.
 
This sucks, but it gave me a push to buy a couple of apps I'd been thinking about for a while. At least they're telling us before it happens (this time).

Trying to look on the bright side is my new year's resolution...
 
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Any excuse Apple, your ways are becoming tiresome. time to leave the apple eco system behind I think, especially after your new Macbook pro offering (Pro? what a joke!)


Hate to pick on apple, really I do despite what some think lol, but I live in Japan and it doesn't get these price variances nearly as often if at all like Britain does. I see both US and Japan price structures often.

And its not like the yen is a rock steady currency. See it go all over really over a year time frame. As, well, I do a fair bit of large yen transactions monthly. Sometimes its nice, sometimes I make sure I bring the receipt home and tell the wife to check the site as same amount of dollars in is no where near the usual amount of yen back and don't want her thinking I am skimming off the top (I skim before the transaction, bit smarter about that lol). Yen rate tanks....same amount of dollars to yen you see much lighter real fast.
 
Let's be honest here any currency fluctuations will be relatively short lived, apple are so short sighted here the price of hardware has become prohibitively expensive and if the ecosystem is expensive it will drive people to alternatives. They won't be as quick to drop prices. I'm seriously considering jumping off the apple bandwagon. It's been a fun 20 years but they've priced themselves out.

Very customer hostile.

Edit: not just to you, but to many brexiteers and people that blame apple for not wanting to pick up the exchange differences.

Sorry you don't like it, but wait, there is more to come! HNS is starting to crumble, (food) poverty in the UK is on the rise, UK dept is over 80% and on the rise, so UK deficit is still growing. The UK has been a banana republic for years, throwing money around in their economy like it was confetti. So if you throw out all the low paid foreigners, who's going to do the low paid jobs? Expensive UK workers? That will be a nice sticker shock when you need a mechanic, plumber, carpenter, mason, roofer...

And the EU is so expensive? How much is VAT at the moment in the UK? 20%? And how much is income tax now?
You know the percentage your government is taking from the GDP? 34.4%!
You know how much the EU is taking? Less then 1%.
So tell me, what is so expensive?
The pound is at it's weakest in 3 decades thanks to all the uncertainties. And you complain foreign goods get more expensive?

it's this level of being uninformed, being ignorant and only looking at single problems (failing banks, a few refugees and a lot of immigrants etc)

And don't start me about immigrants. Do the Danish have an immigrant problem? No, they don't. Yet they are part of the Schengen Area... which the UK is not. So you can have an efficient immigration control. But the problem is that there is no political will to have a strict policy and to enforce it. What happens if somebody is an illegal alien? Nothing. What happens in Denmark? They are detained or repatriated. No bloody fun hanging around in Denmark.

Oh and really annoying as well: the politicians you have chosen have been throwing tantrums like a 3 year old in a supermarket. to get advantages, bonuses, exceptions and all that the rest of the EU are left to pay. I don't think Brexit will be easy or friendly, you don't have many friends left. But who needs friends when you have Trump on the other side of the big pond, eh?

But the worst part? Politicians here don't seem to understand how or why it happened and why they are failing.

I don't care much for the EU per sé, but I do like the peace that has been in Europe. And it never lasted this long. But it seems like there hasn't been a good old war for too long. The memory of people is too short, unless it is about their own pet peeves and little feuds.
 
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Not that any developer will. First, because the damage to UK buyers is completely self inflicted, so I don't feel bad for them at all. Second, because the raise doesn't put more money into the developer's pocket, they just get the same amount they get 7 months ago. Third, because setting a lower tier means reducing the amount of money the developer makes from _any_ customer _anywhere_ in the world.
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That's either bad memory or you are lying. Apps where £0.59 at the time.
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They are also free to increase their prices worldwide to get the price they want in the UK :)
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You got a rebate for 6 months, so don't complain.
Rebate from who ?
 
When I referred to public services I made a typo. It should have said Social Services. Apart from that the argument is good.

One hell of a typo...... and a lot of middle classes and earners have used social services. I believe their was some sort of child tax benefit or something that was only very recently changed, so a house earning even 80k a year could get a benefit.
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Edit: not just to you, but to many brexiteers and people that blame apple for not wanting to pick up the exchange differences.

Sorry you don't like it, but wait, there is more to come! HNS is starting to crumble, (food) poverty in the UK is on the rise, UK dept is over 80% and on the rise, so UK deficit is still growing. The UK has been a banana republic for years, throwing money around in their economy like it was confetti. So if you throw out all the low paid foreigners, who's going to do the low paid jobs? Expensive UK workers? That will be a nice sticker shock when you need a mechanic, plumber, carpenter, mason, roofer...

And the EU is so expensive? How much is VAT at the moment in the UK? 20%? And how much is income tax now?
You know the percentage your government is taking from the GDP? 34.4%!
You know how much the EU is taking? Less then 1%.
So tell me, what is so expensive?
The pound is at it's weakest in 3 decades thanks to all the uncertainties. And you complain foreign goods get more expensive?

it's this level of being uninformed, being ignorant and only looking at single problems (failing banks, a few refugees and a lot of immigrants etc)

And don't start me about immigrants. Do the Danish have an immigrant problem? No, they don't. Yet they are part of the Schengen Area... which the UK is not. So you can have an efficient immigration control. But the problem is that there is no political will to have a strict policy and to enforce it. What happens if somebody is an illegal alien? Nothing. What happens in Denmark? They are detained or repatriated. No bloody fun hanging around in Denmark.

Oh and really annoying as well: the politicians you have chosen have been throwing tantrums like a 3 year old in a supermarket. to get advantages, bonuses, exceptions and all that the rest of the EU are left to pay. I don't think Brexit will be easy or friendly, you don't have many friends left. But who needs friends when you have Trump on the other side of the big pond, eh?

But the worst part? Politicians here don't seem to understand how or why it happened and why they are failing.

I don't care much for the EU per sé, but I do like the peace that has been in Europe. And it never lasted this long. But it seems like there hasn't been a good old war for too long. The memory of people is too short, unless it is about their own pet peeves and little feuds.

I stopped reading at the Jobs you apparently consider to be low paid! Your way out of touch on those. Hmm actually your entire post is so wrong and full of fud I feel I wasted my time even responding, oh well.
 
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0.80 GBP + 20% VAT = 0.96 GBP. Looks like the drop in the pound has impacted our education system leading to lack of basic arithmetic skills.
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Developer sets the tier. Each tier has a price. Therefore the developer chooses the price. New tiers are being introduced so UK prices can be kept the same if the developer chooses.

So, Developers don't set any price, APPLE controls all of that, unlike what others were saying in this thread https://www.macrumors.com/2017/01/12/app-store-monopoly-lawsuit-moves-forward/, but what ever
 
Ok, if you take back your belittling of the rest ;)

Oh I will when this country grows beyond people's wildest expectations. The single market and the EU is not the world, yet being a part of it restricts you to that 'part' of the world only. We will now have the entire world out there to explore :D be positive about the future..
It will be very interesting to see what 'actually' happens with the talks now with the rest of Europe, and parliament gets their vote, unfortunately. But big businesses I think will ensure a good deal goes through as money talks.
 
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Edit: not just to you, but to many brexiteers and people that blame apple for not wanting to pick up the exchange differences.

Sorry you don't like it, but wait, there is more to come! HNS is starting to crumble, (food) poverty in the UK is on the rise, UK dept is over 80% and on the rise, so UK deficit is still growing. The UK has been a banana republic for years, throwing money around in their economy like it was confetti. So if you throw out all the low paid foreigners, who's going to do the low paid jobs? Expensive UK workers? That will be a nice sticker shock when you need a mechanic, plumber, carpenter, mason, roofer...

And the EU is so expensive? How much is VAT at the moment in the UK? 20%? And how much is income tax now?
You know the percentage your government is taking from the GDP? 34.4%!
You know how much the EU is taking? Less then 1%.
So tell me, what is so expensive?
The pound is at it's weakest in 3 decades thanks to all the uncertainties. And you complain foreign goods get more expensive?

it's this level of being uninformed, being ignorant and only looking at single problems (failing banks, a few refugees and a lot of immigrants etc)

And don't start me about immigrants. Do the Danish have an immigrant problem? No, they don't. Yet they are part of the Schengen Area... which the UK is not. So you can have an efficient immigration control. But the problem is that there is no political will to have a strict policy and to enforce it. What happens if somebody is an illegal alien? Nothing. What happens in Denmark? They are detained or repatriated. No bloody fun hanging around in Denmark.

Oh and really annoying as well: the politicians you have chosen have been throwing tantrums like a 3 year old in a supermarket. to get advantages, bonuses, exceptions and all that the rest of the EU are left to pay. I don't think Brexit will be easy or friendly, you don't have many friends left. But who needs friends when you have Trump on the other side of the big pond, eh?

But the worst part? Politicians here don't seem to understand how or why it happened and why they are failing.

I don't care much for the EU per sé, but I do like the peace that has been in Europe. And it never lasted this long. But it seems like there hasn't been a good old war for too long. The memory of people is too short, unless it is about their own pet peeves and little feuds.

It's partly because of people like you constantly dissing my country that I voted to leave the EU. I'm glad I did and I hope all the remoaners like you FO and live somewhere else while you still can. Good riddance.
 
Cheer up, it could be worse, in the sense that at least Brexit got a (very) narrow majority vote. Trump actually lost the US general election by 3MM votes and will be inaugurated on Friday...
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Among other problems with your math, the 99c US price is pre-tax. The UK app store price is after (i.e., inclusive of) VAT.
Hey. I was only talking about the few extra cents that Apple adds – the so called conversion costs. Nothing more.
 
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Yep, after the 20% bump at MBP launch time, they should have followed it with a 10% cut weeks later if it was about the exchange rate.

The pound was due for a rebalance anyway, but Apple was just profiteering.

They can't cut the price shortly after release--everyone who bought it at the high original price would get mad, and those are their most loyal customers. Customers relations is a big reason why prices tend to be "sticky." There is a huge economics research literature on sticky prices if you're interested.
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It's partly because of people like you constantly dissing my country that I voted to leave the EU. I'm glad I did and I hope all the remoaners like you FO and live somewhere else while you still can. Good riddance.

This is hilarious. I can't even make sense of it. People make fun of your country so you hurt your own economy and finances to spite them? I guess it hurts the EU too a bit but.... And what does "live somewhere else while you still can" even mean?

Plus, why do anti-trade voters even care about the price of imported apps and phones? Don't they buy locally made and designed computers?
 
You assume this is temporary. You must still believe the pro propaganda that the UK is going to negotiate some great deal. There's little uncertainty at this point to those who are not naive, such as serious investors.

I voted to remain but while I do believe we would be much better in the Union, the idea that the pound will remain perpetually low is silly. Currencies have survived big things like this before.
 
One can safely bet that henceforth every next Apple product update, be it iMac or iToy, will have similar disturbing increases baked into their SRPs. This and the great Emoji-bar disaster of 2016 are a clear indication. It is a bad time to be an Apple user in the UK.

It's already happening.
2015 MacBook Pro was cheaper before the tbMBP keynote.

Pricing of 1.5 year old predecessor goes up after introduction of the new one.
Can't imagine anyone but Apple being that arrogant.
 
This is hilarious. I can't even make sense of it. People make fun of your country so you hurt your own economy and finances to spite them? I guess it hurts the EU too a bit but.... And what does "live somewhere else while you still can" even mean?

I read an article that it's common for people to hurt themselves if they feel like something isn't fair. UKIP played on those emotions and it worked. People voted for Brexit to send a message and to express their frustration even though it'll hurt them in the end.

Brexit is going to take at least 2 years, so the worst isn't over yet.
 
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On the other hand of course, if you have net debt, you just gained 20% - so for all those with fixed mortgages, congrats!

how does your debt increase if you still owe the bank the same amount of pounds when you signed the mortgage?
 
"citing fluctuating foreign exchange rates and taxation changes as reasons behind the move"

Translation : we are raising prices cause we are forced to pay some tax.....

Translation : we still refuse to pay our share of tax so will raise all our prices to have the end user absorb it.
 
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They can't cut the price shortly after release--everyone who bought it at the high original price would get mad, and those are their most loyal customers. Customers relations is a big reason why prices tend to be "sticky." There is a huge economics research literature on sticky prices if you're interested.
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This is hilarious. I can't even make sense of it. People make fun of your country so you hurt your own economy and finances to spite them? I guess it hurts the EU too a bit but.... And what does "live somewhere else while you still can" even mean?

Plus, why do anti-trade voters even care about the price of imported apps and phones? Don't they buy locally made and designed computers?

Actually the EU will be hurt because the UK annually pays MORE into its economy then EVERY OTHER EU member state COMBINED bar Germany!
About a trillion dollars of business is also done between he U.K. And the EU, do you think businesses will let the EU wreck their businesses then?

Some people are incredibly short sighted.
 
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Leaving the EU will turn out to be the best decision the UK has made in a long time.

Apple regularly raising the prices of its products and services while failing to provide compelling new devices will turn out to be one of the worst decisions they have made.
 
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Actually the EU will be hurt because the UK annually pays MORE into its economy then EVERY OTHER EU member state COMBINED bar Germany!
About a trillion dollars of business is also done between he U.K. And the EU, do you think businesses will let the EU wreck their businesses then?

The UK primarily trades with a handful of countries who care a lot about the implications of Brexit. The rest of the EU, not so much. Any deal has to be agreed with ALL member states. Businesses can grumble but I cannot see the likes of Greece agreeing to a preferential deal with the UK just to keep Germany happy after the sackcloth and ashes it was forced to don. There are other member states who really have had enough of the UK and have nothing to lose trade wise by our exiting the EU to say nothing of those who have plenty to gain.

Nor do the likes of Germany necessarily compete on price. It isn't a low-cost supplier like China. The people who buy BMWs or high-spec construction parts aren't suddenly going to swap them with Hyundais and breeze blocks after tariffs come in.

It is hard to gauge exactly what the balance of trade is between the EU and the UK because of the difficulty in measuring what are physical exports and what are services and by how much of either stay within the EU rather than use it as a transit point to the rest of the world. By the worst measure, the EU accounts for 44% of our total exports whilst the UK accounts for 8% of the EU's. Not a strong bargaining position to start from.
 
Actually the EU will be hurt because the UK annually pays MORE into its economy then EVERY OTHER EU member state COMBINED bar Germany!
About a trillion dollars of business is also done between he U.K. And the EU, do you think businesses will let the EU wreck their businesses then?

Some people are incredibly short sighted.
I read somewhere that separating from the EU is akin to each country turning a gun on themselves. The EU shooting itself in the foot and the UK shooting itself in the head!

What we do know is that the cost of imports from the EU could be unaffected, if the UK so chooses, as tariffs are put on products by importing countries not exporters. We know that our exports will be less competitive as tariffs will be imposed by the EU, they simply have no choice here. The net effect of this is fairly neutral whilst we have a devalued sterling. Any increases in tariffs will be offset by a weak and therefore cheap pound.

If the UK government decides to impose tariffs on imports from the EU this could also be beneficial. It will have the effect of making it more economical to manufacture goods and services at home rather than buying them in, this is ultimately the goal of any economy who chooses to devalue its currency.

The reason why I think it is wrong for us to 'Leave' is that ultimately the poorest in our society will be the ones who get screwed over in the short/medium term. We will have a cashflow crisis, investment in infrastructure, job creation, training, housing, already incredibly low, will get worse. Job creation, in proper full time permanent jobs, not zero hours, will become a less desirable. Government will do all they can to promote the economy, as they must, but this will be at the expense of workers rights. Ultimately the working class, the ones who build products and provide services, will be the ones who are set to get less out of the deal. In the medium to long term no one knows, I have a feeling we will end up where we destined to be.
 
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