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Apple Hires Nokia's Lumia Photography Lead to Work on the iPhone's Camera
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I'm waiting for the ``Fire Cook, he's ruining Apple'' blurb to come in. It's especially humorous to myself being a NeXT and Apple alum reading such fubar.
The Nokia 808 PV is the best phone for still pictures even in 2014. And the old N8, launched in 2010, is still on par with Galaxy S4 in image quality.
You know... To those who keep saying the 1020 is a gimmick and that the iPhone 5s camera is still better than it, why don't you head over to sites like dpreview or DxOMark and compare the still image performance between these two? And also with the Galaxy S5 too.
The still image performance is what the 1020 specializes in anyway.
The still image performance is what the 1020 specializes in anyway.
Until Apple actually puts one in the iPhone. At which point it becomes an absolute neccessity, basically an industry standard without which any other (Android) phone is basically useless.
It's not Canon or Nikon who have educated consumers, but most probably Fujifilm, Panasonic and Olympus. Canon, Nikon and Sony (Minolta) would be playing the megapixel game until today if Fujifilm f-Series (f10 was a paradigm shift for compact cameras in 2005), Panasonic LX3 or the Olympus EP1 didn't exist.
I disagree. 808 has a bigger sensor and visibly provides superior quality in still pictures even lacking an OIS. It's not just me who says it. Just take a look at DPReview Connect and GSMArena. If you apply a sharpen on your 808 to match the 1020 oversharpness, you get more detail information in the 808 than you get with 1020. Lumia 1020 is great when an OIS can make a difference, that is, giving a couple EVs on indoors. Recently, DPReview Connect showed a newer Sony cameraphone which suposedly beats Nokia 808, but, no, not yet.
When reading the discussion about Xperia Z2 vs Nokia 808 I remember when I saw Apple fanboys saying at the time of 808's launch:
- But this Nokia 808 runs that #$@!$% Symbian OS -- and who needs 41MP in a smartphone?
Well, I have a Galaxy Note and I use it 99% of the time for Facebook, Gmail, SMS, Whatsapp (1 msg a week). Before the Note I had a Nokia N8 which could do the same stuff AND also taking good pictures. That is, who doesn't need a cameraphone?
umm... so this would mean what ?
Changes to the iphone camera ? We may actually see a camera in an iPhone that's 41 Megapixel ?
and would this mean we would loose the "sharpness" with multiple lenses Apple does ?
Either way i don't like where this is going..... Why would Apple need help ? They're doing just fine. Especially from a company that drives in the 41 Megapixel, and Apple does their their technology different..
I feel this may actually mean the camera may take worse shots, not better.
We'll see. *thinks outside the box you live in*
Changes to the iphone camera ? We may actually see a camera in an iPhone that's 41 Megapixel ?
and would this mean we would loose the "sharpness" with multiple lenses Apple does ?
Either way i don't like where this is going..... Why would Apple need help ? They're doing just fine. Especially from a company that drives in the 41 Megapixel, and Apple does their their technology different..
I feel this may actually mean the camera may take worse shots, not better.
We'll see. *thinks outside the box you live in*
The iPhone 5S camera is decent, but not so good it can't be improved upon considerably.
As far as the Nokia cameras go, it's not the 41MPs that's impressive. Everyone's right in the sense that raw resolution doesn't automatically equate to a better picture. Rather, it's what the camera does with those 41 megapixels that's impressive.
So people griping about the sensor size before the phone was released and reviewed? You're trolling.
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The 5s camera is very good compared to Android phones. Pretty much all Android phones stink when it comes to the cameras. Just a personal opinion from someone who uses all three OS's. Nexus for business (owned previously Note 3, played with the SG4), 1020 for special occasions, 5s for daily driver. The 1020 just blows everyone away if you use the manual settings. My Lumia 928 also took better shots than the 5s. Maybe it's just better software?
I think I mentioned it on here once, but they seem to be using something based off one of the old noise reduction algorithms. You have a bayer array where each sensor node is filtered to red, green or blue. Most are arranged like this.
RG or GR
GB BG
Anyway that gives you two green pixels and one of each blue and red with the other two being interpolated aside from the general interpolation necessary to deal with gaps and things. What I meant about noise was that due to its visually non deterministic patterns (not actually that way, but treated that way for visual purposes) a method of reducing noise was averaging and upsampling. There is also the issue of photographing something really red or very blue in that the detail isn't as great due to the typical problem of two noisy or under-exposed channels resulting from this. You do effectively end up with a much lower resolution per color. What's interesting here is that it doesn't seem to rasterize individual hardware pixels. Rather they treat the sub-array of 4 pixels as contributions to one. I think it's a neat method that would have been tried sooner if it wasn't for the costs involved and the problems of ensuring enough light reaches very tiny pixels. Also note the sensor itself is massive for a phone.
1, exactly
2, unfortunately, there won't ever be a large-sensor iPhone.
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Again: given that Apple strives for maximum thinness, it's highly unlikely we'll see any revolutionary change in the camera module. It's simply impossible to put a large sensor in a thin body. This is why both the Nokia 808 and the 1020 had to have a thick camera hump.
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Or, even better, to the iPad. Man, I DO miss Wacom support. I've been a Wacom PC tablet user ever since the release of the venerable HP TC1100 - that is, for 12(!) years.
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Yup, the 808 was much more targeted at camera enthusiasts than "just" people wanting a smartphone. This is why Nokia didn't strive for maximum thickness but released a phone with a sizeable camera hump. The latter allowed for both a huge sensor and two decent, large capacitors for the Xenon flash.
The much more consumer-oriented 1020, regrettably, was much more of a compromise. They HAD to reduce the thickness of the hump; this is why the 1020 has a considerably smaller and lower-image-quality sensor and only one, smaller capacitor for the Xenon. No wonder the Xenon flash in the 1020 is way less powerful than that of the 808.
4000k Video!!
I am hoping that Apple will upgrade the iPhone and iPad cameras to do 4000k video. The Samsung Galaxy Note 3 can already shoot 4000k video, and it looks incredible. Check out some of the clips on Youtube. Stunning detail!
And yes, it would eat up storage space, but if you save to the cloud, it wouldn't matter much then. And hopefully they could allow you the option to still shoot in lower formats as well, like 720p or 1080p.
I am hoping that Apple will upgrade the iPhone and iPad cameras to do 4000k video. The Samsung Galaxy Note 3 can already shoot 4000k video, and it looks incredible. Check out some of the clips on Youtube. Stunning detail!
And yes, it would eat up storage space, but if you save to the cloud, it wouldn't matter much then. And hopefully they could allow you the option to still shoot in lower formats as well, like 720p or 1080p.
I beg to differ.
If iPhone's water resistance were comparable to that of the bulk of phones (excluding the lion's share of Sonies, the Galaxy S5 and a couple of others), why would the combination of a Haglöfs rubbish of a so-called "outdoor" jacket with laminated zippers and a LifeProof (beware the rubbish, by the way: the thing disintegrates a couple of months from the purchase and traps in more water than the Fort Peck Dam LifeProof call that "waterproof") case fail to protect it from irreparable doom? By the time I was back home (that's half an hours riding) there was more water in iFöhn than I'd ever care to drink in a day. No, mate: the iFöhn is just as susceptible to water (I guess more) as the finest toilet paper.
"Secure nature" - I'll keep you updated on my sweetheart's Xperia Z2 issues. If, that is, they ever occur.
Apple uses patents just as HP does (remember the Palm acquisition)? That is, scribbles some vague patent for the sake of doing it, discards them (how many of its patents does Apple practically utilise? Hint: less than 1%) proceeds with "innovating", such as introducing the unbelievable new tech called "iPhone 5c" or rebadging the iPads as "Air" (calling that an "update" - sure, the most impressive one. Worth salivating for). I'm not even talking the 1st gen iPad that, despite costing 800,- was rendered absolutely unusable a mere year from its launch (I'm talking much slower than molasses, to be transparent).
Tim poor little Tim. There's a Dutch word to describe the man's most apparent trait: "burgerlijk". Jobs was a cheat and a swindler (remember the "Magic" moniker he used to bait us into buying the rubbish otherwise referred to as the "iPad"? Or the PPC processor MegaHertz "myth" he propagandised, despite all the evidence that Macs were - and still are, but to much lesser extent now - much, much slower in practice than their Intel counterparts? Then the invariably crashing logic board issue (let's call it "a time bomb", or a "self-destruct mechanism" Apple generously implements in their hardware, still more present in Macs than in any other brand) back to Jobs. He was a cheat and a swindler, but still a worthwhile man and a great CEO. Tim, upon the other hand, is a bit of an institute-assigned figure of sparse content. A CEO like any other. Seems a friendly chap, but that's about it. He's a manager at best, not a leader. And managers do tend to make wrong decisions.