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Apple is developing a search engine beyond just scraping the Net. Losing Google's investment will now legally justify them into developing their own search services.

Using LLM/LLA and building out data centers there will be integration to later be available on all its platforms for verified, factually peer reviewed content, collated, categorized, meta data rich content pools across all subjects, current events, politics, etc.

I wouldn't be surprised if they meld it into Apple News+ for licensed peer review studies, latest journal research partnerships with revenue sharing and promotion.

Think about where this country is at with propaganda, disinformation and outright lies at the top constantly eroding public discourse.

When billionaires are buying out the 4th estate people need a means to know fact from propaganda. We're not talking about just linking to magazine articles, but engines to delineate fact from fiction.

And make no mistake about it, Apple does not like what is happening in the political spectrum.

Tim is not Steve. Steve would have long earlier made his views known about what a crap show VC tech bros were intending to do in running the country.

He had a very low opinion of folks like Zuckerberg, Musk, Andreesson, etc., and would have parted ways with Ellison and his son's MAGA views. He despised Got Milk but admired the marketing genius.

If Steve were alive, Wozniak would do what he always does, leave such measured speech to Steve who was a master at sizing people up and cutting them down.

As far as Bezos goes, he's always been seen as a joke to the old SV guard. His latest Wash Post crap would come as no surprise.

Andreesson going from Netscape to mega billionaire is a neat trick: incapable of running any business successfully later reinvents himself a steward for Amerika's future--a typically delude VC.

A company that deserves much of the blame is Microsoft for investing in these start ups allowing them all to become obscenely wealthy and their founders to play pretend treat our collective futures as their right to exploit.

Bill Gates has been awfully quiet after Melinda publicly vilified him for his frequent visits to Epstein Island.
This post is a lot, pretty off topic about politics, and whie I agree there are a lot of issues I’m not sure that you can really nail it down to one or two factors other than the original research that enabled the technology. Once that came out, it was kind of inevitable. No country on earth has a government that is tech savvy and fast enough to regulate this, particularly in a globalized society. I don’t like that that’s the case, but it is.

That said t I’m curious how you think Apple licensing peer reviewed studies would really be a large benefit because the replication crisis was never really solved, and every other model provider already has access to them (legally or not). An enormous corpus of data tends to lead to better outcomes for generalized tools, although for specifically focused and tuned models you can get by with millions of parameters rather than billions.

In the uS at least there is probably no going back as far as content crawling legality. Perhaps given cloudflare’s recent gatekeeping / blocking AI traffic upon request, which has its own issues, Apple could pay them off and possibly to bypass the firewall and create some service that crawls N times a day rather than ad-hoc hammering but that technology is not exactly impossible to implement and I’d expect others would quickly follow suit and it would reduce the server loads dramatically by caching. Apple does have a leg up here because they operate a huge CDN but so does Google, to probably an even greater degree.

There are a lot of factors pushing us toward a future where the internet is bifurcated into realID and non, but beyond that I think it’s a bit of a leap to think that advances and investment in this technology are funneling everyone toward one specific master plan of oligarchs. Like anything, they will exploit the system and technology to enable it, but I think it’s a little bit narrow-minded to assume that the research and technology itself as a whole is part of some larger thing.

There is a good research paper about LLMs being great capture devices for the surveillance state and that is undeniably true, but just as the vast, vast majority of people don’t care about the privacy cost vs. actually. paying for services that protect it, I think the same applies here.
 
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Source? Ask ChatGPT if ChatGPT is profitable lol
Did you read my post and comprehend what I’m saying? I didn’t claim it was profitable now anywhere in there. You can make a glib joke but I think my reasoning is sound, and I don’t think yours is or that you made a good faith effort to refute it. That’s fine of course, but I don’t see the point in drive-by comments in a discussion forum.

Seems like a waste of effort when there is an opportunity for critical thinking and knowledge transfer. As a people we’re stronger together vs. apart, even if there is a difference of opinion.
 
It's crazy to see people here roasting Apple for being slow to dive into one of the most money-losing technologies ever created. At this point, they could probably sit out the AI race entirely and wait for OpenAI, MSFT, etc to burn themselves out.

Vapourware announcement and false advertising aside, taking this slow is one of the better decisions Apple has made in recent memory.
 
Never used Siri because it was always the dumbest of the bunch. Maybe Bixby was worse:D. After years Siri is still the dumbest and I don't see how Apple wants to catch up in AI when they don't even get something simple as Siri right.
 
I still can't quite get my head around how they're only just doing this now.

ChatGPT started to really gain traction back in 2022 (despite the first models launching in 2018). So Apple have already had 2-3 years to figure out an AI strategy. In reality, more than that, as you'd expect a tech company to contain enough visionaries capable of seeing what was coming down the tracks, certainly some time before the likes of us could see it.

And yet... here we are.

I don't know what the opposite of 'prescient' is, but there definitely feels something missing from the company these days.
 
It's crazy to see people here roasting Apple for being slow to dive into one of the most money-losing technologies ever created. At this point, they could probably sit out the AI race entirely and wait for OpenAI, MSFT, etc to burn themselves out.

Vapourware announcement and false advertising aside, taking this slow is one of the better decisions Apple has made in recent memory.
Apple did it to themselves. Why is it every time I setup a new device it constantly pushes their beta AI…it’s a BETA they treat like production which is just wrong IMO. Take it off the damn OS until it’s all figured out then deliver it. They already dove into and whiffed hard so I would argue it’s one of the worst decisions they’ve ever made and now consumers have some BS beta tag we’re just supposed to accept???
 
Apple did it to themselves. Why is it every time I setup a new device it constantly pushes their beta AI…it’s a BETA they treat like production which is just wrong IMO. Take it off the damn OS until it’s all figured out then deliver it. They already dove into and whiffed hard so I would argue it’s one of the worst decisions they’ve ever made and now consumers have some BS beta tag we’re just supposed to accept???
Just turn it off? It’s off on my Mac and I never hear about it.
 
I’m sure this is a backfill of a vacancy, but it still seems like they can’t keep going on like this of losing people and not being able to keep up with the breakneck speed in the AI/personal assistant/chat space.

Kind of astonishing that they can’t get this şħįț together.
 
It takes less time to open chatGPT app and type a search than opening the browser and typing the search just to scroll past ads, just to open a generated page with a bunch of slop before being able to find the actual result.

Example: How much time to cook Salmon in an Airfryer?
You expect the response to be something like: "9 minutes at 300F".

With Google, the webpage will be a 5-page that you have to scroll until you find the numbers. It will start with "You wanna know how to cook Salmon? Let's begin: My grandad was a war veteran and had 3 fingers and loved to cook..."



That's why I think Google is "cooked".
 
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Okay, but can Apple just hire someone to fix the issues where you click on an instagram link and it takes you to the App Store to download IG, but you already have it and you click the "open" button and it just opens IG, and doesn't go to the person's page?

Or when someone sends you a Google Maps thing why can't Apple intuitively provide the directions to said location within Apple Maps or your default map app?

And same with Spotify. If I use Apple Music and someone sends me a song link in Spotify, why can't it just read the data and give me the AM song to stream? Come on guys. Isn't the meta data or whatever the f it's called there? Just read said song or playlist and give it to me in AM.
OMG, yes! Does Apple even have anyone there that uses an iPhone? If there are, don't they find things like this annoying, so should focus on doing something about it? Instead, we had a revamped Photos app that nobody asked for, only for it to go back to what it was before, and Image Playground
 
I don’t think the personalized Siri will ever happen. Apple will keep delaying it and then water it down. Pure vaporware.
Tim Cook said it is delayed until Spring 2026.
He said it during the Earnings call. Therefore, from now on, it is impossible to escape.
 
ChatGPT has been “for profit” since 2019 and they still haven’t generated a profit. They are hemorrhaging money as a matter of fact and they have competitors everywhere. Competition that is growing fast so they need to worry about their survival first before developing any hardware. Lol
ChatGPT's competitors are also not making any money. Even MS' CEO has admitted that they have yet to recoup any amount of their costs related to the $80+ billion they have spent on AI infrastructure
 
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It takes less time to open chatGPT app and type a search than opening the browser and typing the search just to scroll past ads, just to open a generated page with a bunch of slop before being able to find the actual result.

Example: How much time to cook Salmon in an Airfryer?
You expect the response to be something like: "9 minutes at 300F".

With Google, the webpage will be a 5-page that you have to scroll until you find the numbers. It will start with "You wanna know how to cook Salmon? Let's begin: My grandad was a war veteran and had 3 fingers and loved to cook..."



That's why I think Google is "cooked".
Except even Google themselves know that, which is why they've added their own AI-generated results at above the traditional search results, and they've got their own LLM chatbot assistant called Gemini (which is leagues ahead of Siri).

So I'd hardly call Google cooked.
 
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Using LLM/LLA and building out data centers there will be integration to later be available on all its platforms for verified, factually peer reviewed content, collated, categorized, meta data rich content pools across all subjects, current events, politics, etc.

I wouldn't be surprised if they meld it into Apple News+ for licensed peer review studies, latest journal research partnerships with revenue sharing and promotion.
I seriously hope you're right about this.
 
Or when someone sends you a Google Maps thing why can't Apple intuitively provide the directions to said location within Apple Maps or your default map app?

And same with Spotify. If I use Apple Music and someone sends me a song link in Spotify, why can't it just read the data and give me the AM song to stream? Come on guys. Isn't the meta data or whatever the f it's called there? Just read said song or playlist and give it to me in AM.
I can’t believe as someone who is usually on the side closer to Apple in the “are they anti-competitive or not” argument I’m saying this, but… Those two things listed there would be absolutely positively wildly anti-competitive.
I mean, imagine Spotify and Google taking Apple to court, which they would absolutely do.
clicking a Spotify link takes you to… It’s biggest competitor? Apple would be laughed out of there so fast that Tim Epic would start wetting his pants before the judge even finished speaking.
outside of some very rare circumstances, you can’t redirect a competitors link to your own service. That’s just something you can’t do.
and you especially can’t do it when you (Apple)’s app is literally the default.
Apple Maps and Apple Music are built into the phone, if all Spotify and Google maps links directed to them, who would download the competitor? that just would not fly.
but I’m sure Apple wishes they could do something like that.
 
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