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Well what's so special about a smartphone that it needs to be sealed off in the manner that you suggest? I mean if a MacBook can have expandable storage, what's so offensive about the idea of a smartphone having a storage slot?

The day I'd like my iPhone partially resemble of a Samsung phone, I'll surely let you know.
 
The day I'd like my iPhone partially resemble of a Samsung phone, I'll surely let you know.

So even though you acknowledge that many microSD slots are not like Samsung's design, but instead are elegant little slots on the side (a la HTC or Sony) you still are disgusted? Okay.
 
Well, for me, I'm surprised that the card slots are so reliable. How many people find 'gunk*' in their slots that renders it unusable?

Heck, my 5 lived in an OtterBox for its entire life, and I was still amazed at the 'gunk*' that built-up in the front speaker slot, and the bottom speaker holes.

People that carry their slot equipped devices must have so much crap in the slots over time that I'd imagine they get too stuffed with it. I've seen micro-USB ports that look communicable. It's hard to tell what's living in the thin crevices, but it doesn't look benign...

* - Gunk, see 'life happens': dust, dirt, sweat, moisture, sand, hair, etc...

I always clean my phones daily and a big cleaning at least weekly. (remove from case, clean etc...)
 
I always clean my phones daily and a big cleaning at least weekly. (remove from case, clean etc...)

I don't. I find other ways to blow time.

So far, knock on wood, the Otterbox has been a good solid case. Yes, I get dust in things, but the iPhone came out of it in damn near 100% condition...
 
I don't. I find other ways to blow time.

So far, knock on wood, the Otterbox has been a good solid case. Yes, I get dust in things, but the iPhone came out of it in damn near 100% condition...

I may be slightly picky in regards to things being extremely clean. I rather not have a phone or computer screen that looks like a used dinner plate. (which I have seen)
 
I may be slightly picky in regards to things being extremely clean. I rather not have a phone or computer screen that looks like a used dinner plate. (which I have seen)

OK, computer screens I can totally agree with. I HATE fingerprints, and smudges, and other detritus. Well, and on my iPad too. But taking things out of the cases takes effort, and so far everything I've ever had in them (knock on wood) has been pristine. Well, mostly. It's the exposed bits that seem to get the filth.
 
OK, computer screens I can totally agree with. I HATE fingerprints, and smudges, and other detritus. Well, and on my iPad too. But taking things out of the cases takes effort, and so far everything I've ever had in them (knock on wood) has been pristine. Well, mostly. It's the exposed bits that seem to get the filth.

True enough about the case. I would mostly just clean everything up with the case on since taking it off was a pain. Yes, finger prints are evil!
 
Ask the same question to Samsung, HTC, Sony and any other OEM selling 16 Gb versions of their flagships.
Apple sells three models: 16, 64 and 128 Gb.
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Many of them sell 16GB flagship phone along with mSD expansion, up to 128GB. So your point is moot. Yes, mSD is super slow compared to internal SD, but I'm saying it again, it is good enough to offload all the multimedia; musics, videos, pictures. That way the 16GB internal can be used exclusively for OS and apps, while mSD handles media so I won't running out as fast.

But iPhone is not that kind of phone, it's all internal storage all the way from the beginning, and it is 2015! For what it is, how about 32GB, 64GB, and 128GB? Oh yes, it's Apple so it does whatever it wants and you'll crave it anyway.
 
Many of them sell 16GB flagship phone along with mSD expansion, up to 128GB. So your point is moot. Yes, mSD is super slow compared to internal SD, but I'm saying it again, it is good enough to offload all the multimedia; musics, videos, pictures. That way the 16GB internal can be used exclusively for OS and apps, while mSD handles media so I won't running out as fast.

But iPhone is not that kind of phone, it's all internal storage all the way from the beginning, and it is 2015! For what it is, how about 32GB, 64GB, and 128GB? Oh yes, it's Apple so it does whatever it wants and you'll crave it anyway.

Yes, it's 2015, so ? Are SD cards the future in 2015 ? Oh well, let me find my SD card slot on my Nexus 7.... Ooops, there's none. Let me check again with a more recent product like the Nexus 5 or 9 ..... Ooops, none. Even on the 16 Gb model:eek:
Ok, surely on their new phablet Nexus 6 ..... Oooooops, there's none ! So Google must be a little confused too about "your vision of the future".

Reality check: SD cards are technology OF THE PAST, the future is cloud based.
 
Yes, it's 2015, so ? Are SD cards the future in 2015 ? Oh well, let me find my SD card slot on my Nexus 7.... Ooops, there's none. Let me check again with a more recent product like the Nexus 5 or 9 ..... Ooops, none. Even on the 16 Gb model:eek:
Ok, surely on their new phablet Nexus 6 ..... Oooooops, there's none ! So Google must be a little confused too about "your vision of the future".

Reality check: SD cards are technology OF THE PAST, the future is cloud based.

So the only reason you defend Apple for what it does, is because others do it too? I thought Apple supposed to be the trendsetter? The limit breaker? Reference for the industry?

Okay here is one reality check:

Let me find a mSD slot on HTC One M8 .. ahhh there's one, then also one in the Note 4 and S5, there's one on Moto G, oh and also one on Xperia Z3, or even Z4 later, oh and there's also one on LG G3.

Nexus is the only well-known brand with no microSD typically costs less than an iPhone. A 16GB Nexus 5 cost $350 when 16GB iPhone 5S was $649. Lumia 930 has no mSD too, and guess what? It costs around $500 and came with 32GB.

By all means, name me any $649 phone with 16GB of NON-expandable storage in 2015? LOL, iPhone..
Ohhh guess what Nexus 6 is $649 has no mSD slot, riiigght ... :rolleyes: but it comes with 32GB of storage.

So tell me again, would it kill you or your wife if the base model iPhone comes with 32GB? Care to tell me why?
 
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So the only reason you defend Apple for what it does, is because others do it too? I thought Apple supposed to be the trendsetter? The limit breaker? Reference for the industry?

Okay here is one reality check:

Let me find a mSD slot on HTC One M8 .. ahhh there's one, then also one in the Note 4 and S5, there's one on Moto G, oh and also one on Xperia Z3, or even Z4 later, oh and there's also one on LG G3.

Nexus is the only well-known brand with no microSD typically costs less than an iPhone. A 16GB Nexus 5 cost $350 when 16GB iPhone 5S was $649. Lumia 930 has no mSD too, and guess what it costs $450 and came with 32GB.

By all means, name me any $649 phone with 16GB of NON-expandable storage in 2015? There's only two, iPhone 6, and Nexus 6, and many feels disappointed because of that.

So tell me again, would it kill you or your wife if the base model iPhone comes with 32GB? Care to tell me why?
Nexus isn't just "another brand". Nexus is Google and how Google means Android to be implemented.
So both Apple and Google, the two mayor player, are thinking SD cards are a technology of the past and not the future.
If the base model of the iPhone was 32 Gb I'd be happy, but what's the point?
 
Nexus isn't just "another brand". Nexus is Google and how Google means Android to be implemented.
So both Apple and Google, the two mayor player, are thinking SD cards are a technology of the past and not the future.
If the base model of the iPhone was 32 Gb I'd be happy, but what's the point?

Okay, so mSD is dying, then improve the internal storage. And my point is iPhone is the only one left out with 16GB as base model (as I rechecked, base Nexus 6 is 32gb), you dont think people have the right to criticize?

With the improvement of features on iOS, system size is getting bigger, so I'm not okay with only 16GB. Oh so I should just shut up and buy 64GB? Well what's the point of selling 16GB then? Only $100 less with a quarter of the storage. You lose a lot by saving so little.
 
So the only reason you defend Apple for what it does, is because others do it too? I thought Apple supposed to be the trendsetter? The limit breaker? Reference for the industry?

Okay here is one reality check:

Let me find a mSD slot on HTC One M8 .. ahhh there's one, then also one in the Note 4 and S5, there's one on Moto G, oh and also one on Xperia Z3, or even Z4 later, oh and there's also one on LG G3.

Nexus is the only well-known brand with no microSD typically costs less than an iPhone. A 16GB Nexus 5 cost $350 when 16GB iPhone 5S was $649. Lumia 930 has no mSD too, and guess what? It costs around $500 and came with 32GB.

By all means, name me any $649 phone with 16GB of NON-expandable storage in 2015? LOL, iPhone..
Ohhh guess what Nexus 6 is $649 has no mSD slot, riiigght ... :rolleyes: but it comes with 32GB of storage.

So tell me again, would it kill you or your wife if the base model iPhone comes with 32GB? Care to tell me why?

Max(IT) has obviously read too many of articles like these:

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/18...les-android-samsungs-galaxy-microsoft-windows

Which has flat out misinformation like this:

Google initially supported internal SD Card slots to help make Android devices cheaper, but the security and usability issues finally prompted Google to remove SD Card support in its 2013 release of Android 4.4 KitKat.

After installing KitKat, Android users found that their SD Cards no longer work, or can only be used in very specific ways, not as general purpose storage for things like apps and the user's photo library. Users who bought a Galaxy S4 and took Samsung's advice to make up for lost storage via SD Cards were subsequently left SD-out of luck.

This is flat out false. First of all MicroSD card function has been reinstated with Lollipop. But even with KitKat, you were always allowed to move pictures, videos, music, and other GB-consuming but fairly static files to microSD. And honestly, that's probably the better system: move the static but space-eating files to an external storage card, and keep the main GB for system stuff.

But as I said the point is moot as Google has expanded MicroSD support in Lollipop. Not that the article mentions this.:rolleyes:
 
Well see the issue is "How negligible is the used space?"...

Hard disks advertise 1 TB but the file system you use on it takes up space and you never get to use the FULL 1 TB. We dont seem to mind as storage is cheap and the percentage of used space by the file system is negligible.

The issue here is Apple advertises a 16 GB phone.. and its OS takes up considerable space. With no option to expand storage using a micro SD card or anything the user is often left shuffling stuff around by deleting it...

This is the prickly issue here.

The small print on the box of the iPhone 6 I'm looking at right now indicates you don't get a full 16GB of usable space. That will be hard to ignore in court.
 
Max(IT) has obviously read too many of articles like these:

http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/18...les-android-samsungs-galaxy-microsoft-windows

Which has flat out misinformation like this:



This is flat out false. First of all MicroSD card function has been reinstated with Lollipop. But even with KitKat, you were always allowed to move pictures, videos, music, and other GB-consuming but fairly static files to microSD. And honestly, that's probably the better system: move the static but space-eating files to an external storage card, and keep the main GB for system stuff.

But as I said the point is moot as Google has expanded MicroSD support in Lollipop. Not that the article mentions this.:rolleyes:

Yes, Google are indeed interested in expand SD support.... and they excluded it again on both their last model of tablet and phone :rolleyes:
 
Okay, so mSD is dying, then improve the internal storage. And my point is iPhone is the only one left out with 16GB as base model (as I rechecked, base Nexus 6 is 32gb), you dont think people have the right to criticize?

With the improvement of features on iOS, system size is getting bigger, so I'm not okay with only 16GB. Oh so I should just shut up and buy 64GB? Well what's the point of selling 16GB then? Only $100 less with a quarter of the storage. You lose a lot by saving so little.

Eventually Apple will probably ends up in siding base model from 16 to 32 Gb, and I'll be happy about that (having most of my things in the cloud , 64 Gb is a little overkilling for me). I'm not saying I won't be happy about that.
I'm just saying I know several people, my wife and a few friends among them, that are perfectly happy with 16 Gb model and have more than 4 Gb of free space (actually one colleague has 7 Gb free!).
Since I trust Apple to have a competent research marketing division, I think they made their evaluating based on facts.
You have all the rights to wish a different policy, but I know for sure many users here wouldn't be interested in iPhone even if the base model was the 64 Gb. They are just interested in downplay Apple in another thread.
 
Nexus isn't just "another brand". Nexus is Google and how Google means Android to be implemented.
So both Apple and Google, the two mayor player, are thinking SD cards are a technology of the past and not the future.
If the base model of the iPhone was 32 Gb I'd be happy, but what's the point?

Or they have vested interest in cloud storage.
 
The small print on the box of the iPhone 6 I'm looking at right now indicates you don't get a full 16GB of usable space. That will be hard to ignore in court.

Okay so the disclaimer is in place. So how much space can I expect to get out of it? Do I know before I buy it?
 
Resolved in Lollipop. And my apple devices have "bloatware" in that there are several Apple apps I have no need or use for.

It goes both ways.

Bloat ware is not generally useful utilities, the acceptable definition is usually add ons installed by carriers with hooks to entice you to spend money. Thank goodness iphones do not have these carrier apps.

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Okay so the disclaimer is in place. So how much space can I expect to get out of it? Do I know before I buy it?

Isnt this question applicable to every computing device on the face of the earth?
 
Bloat ware is not generally useful utilities, the acceptable definition is usually add ons installed by carriers with hooks to entice you to spend money. Thank goodness iphones do not have these carrier apps.

One persons useful is anthers waste. I can't delete the unused google apps off my android and I couldn't delete the unused apps off my iPhone. It's be really great if we could though I could do a serious quantity of slimming on either platform and make them nice, fast, and mine.
 
One persons useful is anthers waste. I can't delete the unused google apps off my android and I couldn't delete the unused apps off my iPhone. It's be really great if we could though I could do a serious quantity of slimming on either platform and make them nice, fast, and mine.

iphones do not come with bloatware, even though some may not use every single app. If you are the type who wants to delete apps you don't use, IOS is not for you. By the original posters definition, the phone App can be considered bloatware.
 
iphones do not come with bloatware, even though some may not use every single app. If you are the type who wants to delete apps you don't use, IOS is not for you. By the original posters definition, the phone App can be considered bloatware.

If it's not something I want it's bloat therefore bloat were. Neither platform let's you delete core apps
 
Apple Hit With Class Action Lawsuit Over Large iOS 8 Storage Space

If it's not something I want it's bloat therefore bloat were. Neither platform let's you delete core apps


Bloat is not defined by core OS apps regardless of whether we use them or not. Bloat ware is the supplemental applications that a carrier or other third party installs on top of the core package.

Whilst you may find stock apps that you don't use 'bloat' that ultimately is not what is being referred to.

Take for example my euro Moto X 2014 which came with only Moto & Googles stock apps. Whilst there are some I do not use - that is not bloat. Then look at Jamezr Moto X 2014 on Verizon which comes with Moto and googles stock apps and half a dozen or more Verizon apps. Those are the bloat apps.
 
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